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alofrisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
Lobsterman, I take offense to your statement "During that hectic time I swore to myself if I get out of this predicament I will never, I repeat NEVER
let a Mexican control my destiny again." This type of statement is inflammatory, demeaning, and some what typical of the ugly American. ' What is your
need to highly emphasise " I repeat" and NEVER in CAPS....'
Are you implying that all of us MEXICANS are incompetent and should not be trusted in positions of a critical nature. What a negative stereotype you
have painted us with.. Shame on you>> I assure we have no interested in controlling your destiny.
I for one have placed my care in the hands of very competent individuals of different racial and ethnic background.
An Asian operated on my back, an African American took care of my skin infection, a white woman served as my cardiologist and I have been treated by
numerous MEXICAN doctors and dentist. Oh I even flew on an airplane piloted by a MEXICAN imagine letting a MEXICAN control my
DESTINY.
I am truly sorry that the experience you had on the ERIK has thwarted you capacity to truly enjoy Baja and it's people.
Such is loss is regrettable. I am sure you a sensitive and understanding man but sometimes the words we choose are not the most appropriate,
welcoming and relationship building. Perhaps you were not even aware that your choice of words could be found to be offensive or perhaps you don't
give a damm.
Enjoy Amigo
ELC |
Lobsterman
Donde Andas?
I would appreciate some type of response, retort, defense, explanation, reaction, acknowledgement, tell me to go to hell or ?????. Perhaps your
absence and silence is indicative of your self proclaimed worth and righteousness.
Let's face it "cagaste el palo"
Tu Amigo
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El Comadante Loco:
Since you say you are a Mexican and seem to be an educated person on racial sterotyping of Mexicans, I would like your personal opinion on the subject
matter of this newspaper article:
http://www.aztecanoticias.com.mx/notas/estados-y-df/66470/su...
Do you think Mexican press has unfairly called these Mexican police racists? By the way, I am sure an astute Mexican like you would know that
"Comadante" is really spelled "ComaNdante."
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El Comadante Loco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by alofrisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
Lobsterman, I take offense to your statement "During that hectic time I swore to myself if I get out of this predicament I will never, I repeat NEVER
let a Mexican control my destiny again." This type of statement is inflammatory, demeaning, and some what typical of the ugly American. ' What is your
need to highly emphasise " I repeat" and NEVER in CAPS....'
Are you implying that all of us MEXICANS are incompetent and should not be trusted in positions of a critical nature. What a negative stereotype you
have painted us with.. Shame on you>> I assure we have no interested in controlling your destiny.
I for one have placed my care in the hands of very competent individuals of different racial and ethnic background.
An Asian operated on my back, an African American took care of my skin infection, a white woman served as my cardiologist and I have been treated by
numerous MEXICAN doctors and dentist. Oh I even flew on an airplane piloted by a MEXICAN imagine letting a MEXICAN control my
DESTINY.
I am truly sorry that the experience you had on the ERIK has thwarted you capacity to truly enjoy Baja and it's people.
Such is loss is regrettable. I am sure you a sensitive and understanding man but sometimes the words we choose are not the most appropriate,
welcoming and relationship building. Perhaps you were not even aware that your choice of words could be found to be offensive or perhaps you don't
give a damm.
Enjoy Amigo
ELC |
Lobsterman
Donde Andas?
I would appreciate some type of response, retort, defense, explanation, reaction, acknowledgement, tell me to go to hell or ?????. Perhaps your
absence and silence is indicative of your self proclaimed worth and righteousness.
Let's face it "cagaste el palo"
Tu Amigo
ECL |
El Comadante Loco:
Since you say you are a Mexican and seem to be an educated person on racial sterotyping of Mexicans, I would like your personal opinion on the subject
matter of this newspaper article:
http://www.aztecanoticias.com.mx/notas/estados-y-df/66470/su...
Do you think Mexican press has unfairly called these Mexican police racists? By the way, I am sure an astute Mexican like you would know that
"Comadante" is really spelled "ComaNdante." |
Alofrisco
Thank you for the accolades, correction and kind works.
I certainly hope that your are not judging me by my typos or misspelling of Comandante.. However I will admit to my typo when registering on Nomads
but nonetheless thank you for stating the obvious as I am sure no one else has noticed since you are the fist and it has never been brought to my
attention.
You did not interperate the artical correcty.
The folllowing is quoted from the Azteca article:
"Ensenada, BC.- Siete policías municipales pertenecientes a la zona sur de Ensenada, serán suspendidos, tras comprobarse su culpabilidad sobre actos
de discriminación, realizados en contra de grupos indígenas"
I have read the article by Azteca and no where did I find the use of word or the charge of racism exhibited toward the indigenous population. Please
correct me if I am wrong or missed it. However, the article was clear that there was an investigation going on regarding the charge discrimination
and found to be so that the 7 police officers would be suspended.
Now was racism involved could very well be. One can practice discrimination without being racist but that is a fine line. Was the Azteca unfair in
their reporting, NO! In fact more needs to be done to stop the injustices suffered by the indigenous peoples of Mexcio as well as thoses all over the
world.
Just keep watching the Novelas to how morenos are portrayed against their lighter skinned cousins.
Oh and BTW it's stereotyping not sterotyping but I am sure an educated person such as yourself would know that.
What is more important which will provide us with insight into your persona do you think Azteca's reporting was unfair???
Awaiting your reply!!!
EL Comadante Loco
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alofrisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
You did not interperate the artical correcty.
The folllowing is quoted from the Azteca article:
"Ensenada, BC.- Siete policías municipales pertenecientes a la zona sur de Ensenada, serán suspendidos, tras comprobarse su culpabilidad sobre actos
de discriminación, realizados en contra de grupos indígenas"
I have read the article by Azteca and no where did I find the use of word or the charge of racism exhibited toward the indigenous population.
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Perhaps if you had a slightly longer attention span and read the very next paragraph in the article, which reads:
"...y en ellas los afectados narran las agresiones e insultos que tuvieron que soportar, por el simple hecho de ser indígenas."
"...and those affected tell of the aggression and insults they endured for the simple fact of being indigenous."
So, here we have these Mexican indians saying they are the target of insults and aggresion simply because they are indians (indigenous), and somehow
you have sliced the baloney so thin that you are saying that is not Mexican racism?
You go on to say that, "One can practice discrimination without being racist but that is a fine line." Is it possible that Lobsterman was practicing
discrimination against lazy and indolent Mexican business practices and lack of regard for human life without being a racist?
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El Comadante Loco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by alofrisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
You did not interperate the artical correcty.
The folllowing is quoted from the Azteca article:
"Ensenada, BC.- Siete policías municipales pertenecientes a la zona sur de Ensenada, serán suspendidos, tras comprobarse su culpabilidad sobre actos
de discriminación, realizados en contra de grupos indígenas"
I have read the article by Azteca and no where did I find the use of word or the charge of racism exhibited toward the indigenous population.
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Perhaps if you had a slightly longer attention span and read the very next paragraph in the article, which reads:
"...y en ellas los afectados narran las agresiones e insultos que tuvieron que soportar, por el simple hecho de ser indígenas."
"...and those affected tell of the aggression and insults they endured for the simple fact of being indigenous."
So, here we have these Mexican indians saying they are the target of insults and aggresion simply because they are indians (indigenous), and somehow
you have sliced the baloney so thin that you are saying that is not Mexican racism?
You go on to say that, "One can practice discrimination without being racist but that is a fine line." Is it possible that Lobsterman was practicing
discrimination against lazy and indolent Mexican business practices and lack of regard for human life without being a racist? |
Now we are getting somewhere in this debate. Is there racism in Mexico absolutely!!! Is there racism in the US, yes.
Should any of this be tolerated, No. Should we take personal responsibility to stamp it out and speak out against stereotyping, prejudice,
discrimination and injustices without a doubt. At least we have this out of the way. Wpuld you agree?
You are still misinterpreting the facts as stated by Azteca. Even your own supportive quote does not include the charge of racism. This is your spin
and who knows it may be correct: "...and those affected tell of the aggression and insults they endured for the simple fact of being indigenous."
this statement supports the charge of discrimination. I am and have been arguing the facts as stated by Azteca. Could the actions of the police and
the four other officials have been motivated by racism, yes; however, without first hand knowledge and the results of the pending investigation I can
not say with absolute certainty that racism way the primary factor but if it was I hope that all of them are dully brought to justice and held
accountable to full extent of the law. I certainly do not support the police practices cite nor minimize the allegations brought against them and
other officials.
With regard to Lobsterman and your quote "indolent Mexican business practices" again these the words can be viewed as disparaging and inflammatory. By
the use of the word "'practices" it appears that all Mexican business practices are categorized as indolent. I do not have problem with Lobsterman's
fears and negative feeling about his experience on the ERIK but why did he have to use the words destiny, NEVER, control and Mexican' to get his
point across. it is obvious his words have a very different meaning to us and how we perceive them.
I submit that if he would have said something like I will never let that f.....king captain of the ERIK have control of my destiny.. . We would not
be having this debate.
I do not believe that Lobsterman is a racist but he needs good dose of cultural competence..
BTW I support Lobsterman's prerogative to discriminate against the then Captain of the ERIK he has good reason. I do not support his choice to paint
all Mexicans with the same brush... Just for the record I have never stated that Lobsterman was racist.
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Lobsterman
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You guys and girls most be bored to death down there in sunny baja to come up with all these hair brained philosphies about something you know nothing
about. Why don't you just save some time and aggravation and start another thread about "sunsets or what kind of bug is this?".
I do not post much unless its about fishing or cooking and usually not on this site. I posted this thread after much thought after the sinking of the
Erik. It's sinking surfaced some surpressed memories i had about my experience. In my prose to to explain my memory of the event I remember saying
(praying to God) or whatever, "if I get out of here I......." That's what I thought at the time. Get over it you knuckle heads. What you want me to
lie about what I thought at that moment when I did not know it if we would make it to a safe harbor? Well anyone who knows me knows I wear my
emotions and feelings on my shirt sleeve. If someone does not like it tuff chitola. I told you idiots before I do not care one bit what anyone one
of you has to say or how you feel about me. You're not my friends and I definately am not looking for your approval on anything.
Again after much thought I started this thread for the families to let them know the Erik operators and owner had put people in jeopardy before and
perhaps it could help with the mexican investigation of the Sinking of the Erik.
RIP
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El Comadante Loco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
You guys and girls most be bored to death down there in sunny baja to come up with all these hair brained philosphies about something you know nothing
about. Why don't you just save some time and aggravation and start another thread about "sunsets or what kind of bug is this?".
I do not post much unless its about fishing or cooking and usually not on this site. I posted this thread after much thought after the sinking of the
Erik. It's sinking surfaced some surpressed memories i had about my experience. In my prose to to explain my memory of the event I remember saying
(praying to God) or whatever, "if I get out of here I......." That's what I thought at the time. Get over it you knuckle heads. What you want me to
lie about what I thought at that moment when I did not know it if we would make it to a safe harbor? Well anyone who knows me knows I wear my
emotions and feelings on my shirt sleeve. If someone does not like it tuff chitola. I told you idiots before I do not care one bit what anyone one
of you has to say or how you feel about me. You're not my friends and I definately am not looking for your approval on anything.
Again after much thought I started this thread for the families to let them know the Erik operators and owner had put people in jeopardy before and
perhaps it could help with the mexican investigation of the Sinking of the Erik.
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Lobsterman
This knuckle head and idiot thinks it's time to put this thread to bed and move on...
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mcfez
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...."I do not post much unless its about fishing or cooking and usually
Bull. You used to troll me big time. Glad to see most everyone here biting you like sharks.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Lobsterman the elitist Chicken Coop Groupers have raised their disgusting heads again as
they believe their station in life is much higher than the rest of us. Pay them no mind and march on as your station in life is much higher than
theirs! They win First Prize!!
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Oddjob
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Lobsterman, you did the right thing exposing the Erik for what it was, a death trap that was operated by those who put no value on others lives. You
are correct, the idiots and knuckleheads that tend to dominate this forum aren't your friends and they jump on anyone that makes a negative post about
Baja. Thanks for telling the truth.
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capt. mike
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Lobsterman - as i have said before here variously...i have flown for over 30 years privately and otherwise commercially with remembrances for another
20 plus.
I have NEVER been as scared in my life as i have been during a few boat misadventures.
i can't blame you for telling the story - it is not what many want to read here i guess - but hey, if it was YOUR experience you have every right to
impart it here.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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