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shari
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thank you Tony
and I just wanna say that being naked is a beautiful thing...in the right place at the right time....sigh...
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Barry A.
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Tony---------Every major institution/political entity throughout history that I am aware of has a dark-side, and has done things that are atrocious by
someone's standards------mankind does this consistantly, especially when he "groups up"-------it seems to be in the DNA of some of us-------not me, of
course!!! (I am a loner)
I just think that bashing other folks leads to unnecessary animosity, and bazaar behavior that is counter-productive. There is always a back-lash, it
seems to me, when we condemn things that so many others believe in. Mexicanos are largely Catholic------a fact--------and that is just the way it is,
like you say. Yes, it certainly contributes to the way they react to others rudeness, you are right.
Barry
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Dave
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A religious experience
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Yes, it certainly contributes to the way they react to others rudeness, you are right.
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Does Catholicism have any effect on the amount of litter Mexicans leave on the beaches after Semana Santa? 
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Yes, it certainly contributes to the way they react to others rudeness, you are right.
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Does Catholicism have any effect on the amount of litter Mexicans leave on the beaches after Semana Santa? |
 You got me, Dave. Perhaps yes, perhaps no-----but I am suspicious.
Barry
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Every culture has a right to its boundaries. I have always tried to be dressed much like the locals around me. Is there a prudishness to the Mexican
favor of going about mostly clothed? Possibly. There has been lots of talk on this thread indicating a disdain for or repulsion with and finding no
beauty in the "undraped human form". How odd. Does this come from the nature of man, or the teachings of priests who have gone so far (Calvinism) as
to declare a newborn human too flawed to enter their "kingdom of heaven".
To the credit of the Mexican people, after the revolution of the nineteen teens, the new constitution divorced itself from the church, and now is FAR
more free of religion in government than is the USA. Is there a lingering cultural tie to the repressive dress code of the priests. Or, is the
culture simply mirroring those of so many other hot arid places where the people have traditionally worn lots of coverage.
Barry A, I invite you to take a look at secular humanism as a very positive set of moral parameters which easily cover all the bases, utilizing
principles in general acceptance long before the invention of Christianity. No god, no problem. Be good for goodness sake. The golden rule is not a
Christian invention.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Barry A.
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Vag-------I have no particular problem with "humanism" until they start taking pot-shots at the religious folks, or appear to want to impose their
"humanism" to the exclusion of other beliefs or practices.
Anything that promotes moral and societal values that are positive and helpful to the majority is fine with me, and I embrace them.
Barry
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vgabndo
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Sorry, seriously cannot agree. The history of organized religion as a moral force is a dismal one, and if the American Taliban doesn't need to be
yelled at....I won't yell.
If they want to teach kids that nothing is older than 6,000 years, and they do, I'm yelling.
There is a very crafty, very scary, right wing "Judeo Christian" organized militia operating in your back yard Barry. One of MANY.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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mtgoat666
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the religious right poses far greater danger to USA than any terrorist group today!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Vag-------I have no particular problem with "humanism" until they start taking pot-shots at the religious folks, or appear to want to impose their
"humanism" to the exclusion of other beliefs or practices.
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barry:
the problem with religious right wingnuts is that they are ALWAYS trying to impose their religious nonsense on everyone else, by fighting against
womans right to choose, and 1000 other social issues.
the religious right poses far greater danger to USA than any terrorist group today!
humanism is better than mormonism. humanism is better than rick perryism. humanism is better than michele bachmannism.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
thank you Tony
and I just wanna say that being naked is a beautiful thing...in the right place at the right time....sigh... |
Shari,
I was born naked!   
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Martyman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
geez Marty...I love spandex on those sexy bikeriders, football pants too!
[Edited on 9-8-2011 by shari] |
Alright Shari, go ahead and enjoy! Speaking of enjoyment-Do you have any more pics of those Italian girls?
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The problem with secular humanists is that we as a group tend to live and let live. Many of us lean a bit to the left and have a let's just all get
along attitude. And that can be a disadvantage when faced with religious right-wing nut balls and their dogmatic BS. We don't yell back enough.
I now believe they are a threat to our society and we must get active and start calling them out when they spout their craziness. So bravo Vag and
Goat!!
And as to nudity. I'm all for it in the right circumstances, hairy back and all!
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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vgabndo
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Jefe, thanks. I think that calling ourselves rational while not trying to pre-emp the dominionists is incorrect. I have found no evidence of left wing
militias. They seem to all be right wing, or private armies like the Crips, Bloods, and other non-political militias using the assault weapons made
available by Tom Delay and the GOP.
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/library/militia/index.html
Here is the URL for our local cecessionist bunch of terrorists.
http://theshastalaker.com/JEFFERSON_STATE_MILITIA_Index_page...
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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martyman...your wish is my command
trade you this photo for a taut bike rider in spandex!
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Mulegena
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Bike rider, naaah... gotta be gorgeously defined arms on golden skin of a working man, now we're talkin', and come to think of it there's plenty of
that right in our own backyard... think I'll go take me a little walk.
or to jump to another thread... a buff black burro 14-15 hands tall
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
martyman...your wish is my command
trade you this photo for a taut bike rider in spandex! |
Doesn't Martyman get 2 more wishes?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Vag-------I have no particular problem with "humanism" until they start taking pot-shots at the religious folks, or appear to want to impose their
"humanism" to the exclusion of other beliefs or practices.
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barry:
the problem with religious right wingnuts is that they are ALWAYS trying to impose their religious nonsense on everyone else, by fighting against
womans right to choose, and 1000 other social issues.
the religious right poses far greater danger to USA than any terrorist group today!
humanism is better than mormonism. humanism is better than rick perryism. humanism is better than michele bachmannism. |
Vag---------the "right wingnuts" have ALWAYS been amongst us, and I as a Fed. field Ranger ran into them constantly as many tend to be anti-social and
living in close proximity to Public Lands, or squatting on it in trespass, away from society---------I KNOW these people, and they are few in numbers.
The vast majority of church goers are NOT a threat to you, or anybody else, IMO. But they are conservative and incensed at the way they perceive the
Nation going lately (a left agenda??), and they are pushing back. I think that this "push back" is what you are perceiving as a threat, but for the
life of me I don't know why---what do you expect? Again, IMO, there is no way that anybody (other than the Govt.) can "impose" anything of real
substance on you, no matter how hard they try. Good Gawd, if we as a people can come back from a 9/11, we can survive most anything, and that is what
is great about the people of this Nation. OF COURSE people are going to try to get you to see their side--------that's what active people do.
Sorry, but I don't see the "threat" that you do. But I certainly respect your efforts to have me "see the light", and I do pay attention to what you,
and others, have to say. I am a Conservative, however, and will always perceive things differently than a Liberal or a so-called
Progressive--------that is what keeps things interesting.
There are some issues that we never will agree on, but certainly not "1000's of them" as you state above----probably closer to a dozen, the way I see
it. I am convinced that the American people mostly agree with each other when push comes to shove------we just are now approaching the "shoving
stage" and it is a little rough as many of our differences have been under-the-rug for years, I think, and are now out in the open (horrors!!!!) as
the perception that the powers-that-be are moving 'left', and we don't like that.
(but you know all this)
The "vote" will tell us, and we shall see which way we move as a Country.
(I think that this poor thread has been hyjacked)
Viva Mexico!!!! Viva USA!!!! Viva Canada!!!!!! 
Barry
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martyman...your wish is my command
trade you this photo for a taut bike rider in spandex! |
Nice looking trio!
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Martyman
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Wow Shari!
I thank you!
ps i'm going to Italy for Xmas!
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Ah, but what say you concerning the Mexican pangeros proud disply of the "cahuamapanza"?
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This local panguero fashion has a name!! Caguamapanza!!! It is perfect.
Thank you very much Don Jorge. Up til now, this style had been beyond my words.
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