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luisartrgz2
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Sorry
I lost the point of what I was triing to explain in the other post!
the price at cataviņa will be improved as soon as we evaluate the cost of keeping the place running with the high power consumption
that the pool and the generator implies.
Thanks.
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rts551
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Gracias, seņor. Una respuesta muy informativa. Disfrutamos de su hotel y restaurante.
| Quote: | Originally posted by luisartrgz2
I lost the point of what I was triing to explain in the other post!
the price at cataviņa will be improved as soon as we evaluate the cost of keeping the place running with the high power consumption
that the pool and the generator implies.
Thanks. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by luisartrgz2
I lost the point of what I was triing to explain in the other post!
the price at cataviņa will be improved as soon as we evaluate the cost of keeping the place running with the high power consumption
that the pool and the generator implies.
Thanks. |
It is good to hear from you again---thank you. And that tomato salad you serve in San Quintin is great and that alone, makes one want to return. It
is DELICIOUS.
We look forward to updates about Catavina
on edit---we also wanted to tell you that your employees at the San Quintin hotel are great. You hired very good people.
[Edited on 9-30-2011 by DianaT]
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Perfect location
| Quote: | Originally posted by luisartrgz2
I lost the point of what I was triing to explain in the other post!
the price at cataviņa will be improved as soon as we evaluate the cost of keeping the place running with the high power consumption
that the pool and the generator implies.
Thanks. |
Seems like a perfect location for solar power and water heating
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Having watched this thread develop, I must apologize for giving the impression that the price was drastically lower. When I accessed their web site,
it was the San Quintin property page. They had an approximately $50 per night charge prominently displayed.
My bad for thinking it applied to the Catavina site.
In retrospect, I can truly understand how the costs of running the off-grid hotel would prevent them from charging the rates they do at San Quintin.
My experience, over the years has been to consider the Catavina property on my N/B journey, mostly based upon the day's progress.
And, I do have to agree with some who have posted here, given that I have never felt that El Rosario was a particularly welcoming place to stay, no
jake brakes in Catvina. And, if they bring their restaurant up to anywhere close to what they have accomplished in San Quintin, it would make it a
no-brainer for me.
As Ken noted, there is a vast difference between the ambience at Baja Cactus and the Catavina hotel, despite the fact the the Baja Cactus does have
more bells and whistles in the rooms, it ain't all about marble and glass.
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We have stayed at Baja Cactus two or three times on our travels. We have always been comfortable there and think it is a great value. But El Rosario
just doesn't fit into our travel plans most of the time. Also El Rosario doesn't have a lot to choose from in terms of "gourmet" restaurants (I have
been disappointed with Mama Espinosa's too many times - never again!) I wish that SOMEDAY Antonio could expand into other areas of Baja with Baja
Cactus hotels.
We used to gas up at Baja Cactus all the time. But the bathrooms became so disgusting that we now bypass that venue and gas up in San Quintin
instead. I know we can use the bathrooms at the Hotel but that is inconvenient. If Antonio can straighten out the bathroom situation, we will be
more than happy to give him our business.
I have stayed at La Pinta/Desert Inn hotel one time, in GN. I was not impressed for the price charged.
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If I'm traveling solo (with pets) heading North I sometimes go all the way to El Rosario from Buena Vista. I would much rather stop in Catavina but
the Desert Inn wasn't pet friendly. If they are now I will gladly stay there, I really do like the Baja Cactus but the extra 1.5 hours really kick my
butt.....dt
X2 on the El Rosario Pemex gas station bathrooms. That has to be one of the busiest stations in Baja, surely they could afford to remodel the
bathrooms. 20 years ago bathrooms like that were the norm, not so much any more. I can't think of any worse than these.
[Edited on 10-1-2011 by dtbushpilot]
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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rts551
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So that some people don't get their panties in a wad, we still stop at Antonio's gas station.
But we have also found it convenient to stop at the Los Pinos Gas station. Many more diesel pumps, and at least for the premium pumps the accuracy
is spot on (we fill fuel jugs there sometimes). They also have a good cup of coffee in the store for those that get an early start for the Santa
Maria Hotel.
Just another good alternative out there.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
We have stayed at Baja Cactus two or three times on our travels. We have always been comfortable there and think it is a great value. But El Rosario
just doesn't fit into our travel plans most of the time. Also El Rosario doesn't have a lot to choose from in terms of "gourmet" restaurants (I have
been disappointed with Mama Espinosa's too many times - never again!) I wish that SOMEDAY Antonio could expand into other areas of Baja with Baja
Cactus hotels.
We used to gas up at Baja Cactus all the time. But the bathrooms became so disgusting that we now bypass that venue and gas up in San Quintin
instead. I know we can use the bathrooms at the Hotel but that is inconvenient. If Antonio can straighten out the bathroom situation, we will be
more than happy to give him our business.
I have stayed at La Pinta/Desert Inn hotel one time, in GN. I was not impressed for the price charged. |
Antonio has been wanting to upgrade the bathrooms for years. It is his station, but the socialized Pemex monopoly dictates everything that is done at
a station franchise and it has taken years for them to approve his remodel plans. Last I heard, they gave it the approval.
Antonio (a few years ago) hired a lady specifically to maintain the bathrooms all day... Perhaps when so many of the tourists stopped coming to
Mexico, business declined and took away that budgeted expense? The station staff are not very responsive to bathrom care I guess? I haven't seen a
disaster there.
Nomads buying gas or needing to have all been invited to ues the bathroom in the motel lobby... the door is on the left side of the front desk... open
24/7.
I know that Antonio is spending more time in El Rosario now for the new construction, so maybe he will keep things running cleaner now?
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Roberto
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David, the bathrooms aren't disgusting because they need to be remodeled, the are disgusting because the are FILTHY! They stink to high heaven and so
unsanitary as to be unusable. To the point that I specifically plan my trip around not having to try and use them. My wife won't even go near them. I
don't know this for sure, but I bet he loses business because of them as people would rather stop somewhere thet can use the bathroom.
You can't seriously be saying that he can't keep them clean because he is a Franchise, right. Try to be a LITTLE objective here.
[Edited on 10-1-2011 by Roberto]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Antonio has been wanting to upgrade the bathrooms for years. It is his station, but the socialized Pemex monopoly dictates everything that is done at
a station franchise and it has taken years for them to approve his remodel plans. Last I heard, they gave it the approval.
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i don't think anyone or anything prevents owner from cleaning and maintaining bathrooms. i am sure that pemex approval is not required to fix broken
sink or apply new coat of paint
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Ken Cooke
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There is also an ATM that dispenses CASH.
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
So that some people don't get their panties in a wad, we still stop at Antonio's gas station.
But we have also found it convenient to stop at the Los Pinos Gas station. Many more diesel pumps, and at least for the premium pumps the accuracy
is spot on (we fill fuel jugs there sometimes). They also have a good cup of coffee in the store for those that get an early start for the Santa
Maria Hotel.
Just another good alternative out there. |
South of Los Pinos, it appears IMPOSSIBLE to obtain cash along HWY 1 - until GN.
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rts551
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Yes. True Ken. and it is inside and there is a guard posted 24/7 at the store. A safe ATM for those that worry.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
So that some people don't get their panties in a wad, we still stop at Antonio's gas station.
But we have also found it convenient to stop at the Los Pinos Gas station. Many more diesel pumps, and at least for the premium pumps the accuracy
is spot on (we fill fuel jugs there sometimes). They also have a good cup of coffee in the store for those that get an early start for the Santa
Maria Hotel.
Just another good alternative out there. |
South of Los Pinos, it appears IMPOSSIBLE to obtain cash along HWY 1 - until GN. |
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David K
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Boys, I don't excuse him for not forcing employees to maintain the bathrooms. It wasn't an excuse for filth. I have sent Antonio an email about this
thread in hopes he will take time to respond.
You missed his invitation (and my repeating it above) that you can use the (always clean) lobby bathroom at the motel next door.
I don't know why the Pemex bathrooms were in such bad shape (in your visits), but they shouldn't be. I don't know of many Pemex station with bathrooms
that are spotless.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David KYou missed his invitation (and my repeating it above) that you can use the (always clean) lobby bathroom at the
motel next door.
I don't know why the Pemex bathrooms were in such bad shape (in your visits), but they shouldn't be. I don't know of many Pemex station with bathrooms
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I will remember this. I always stop in El Rosario on my way back from Mission Impossible 4WD trail as this town is quaint and I enjoy the small town
atmosphere.
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Bajahowodd
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"Antonio has been wanting to upgrade the bathrooms for years. It is his station, but the socialized Pemex monopoly dictates everything that is done at
a station franchise and it has taken years for them to approve his remodel plans. Last I heard, they gave it the approval."
Bat guano. You really have to jump on your impression of what socialism is. For Cris'sakes, There are thousands of franchised dealers of gas all over
the US. They knowingly enter into contracts with the supplier. Those contracts expicitly enumerate what the franchisee can and cannot do.
So, Is Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips part of a socialist conspiracy? Geez.
oy vey.
Just perhaps the problem might be more connected to absentee management.
[Edited on 10-1-2011 by Bajahowodd]
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David K
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You answered my point very well... In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free
enterprise. We, the people choose where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have
Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose from... LOL!!! 
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Ken Cooke
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...as CONSERVATIVE a person as DAVID K is...
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You answered my point very well... In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free
enterprise. We, the people choose where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have
Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose from... LOL!!!
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...he does have a point.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You answered my point very well... In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free
enterprise. We, the people choose where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have
Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose from... LOL!!!
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...he does have a point. |
No he does not. He is mixing up monopolies (which Pemex is), with franchises (which have nothing to do with monopolies) with cleaning toilets. I mean
it doesn't even make sense, and is a scary look into how his mind works. How in the hell can he have a point when he can't even make sense.
1. Bathrooms are used
2. Bathrooms must be cleaned
3. Bathrooms not cleaned
4. Bathrooms are disgusting
Nothing to do with monopolies, franchises, or anything else. Just clean them!
And he also implies that they are in that condition only on occasion, and I and goat happen to hit those times. More BS, they have been disgusting for
many years. In fact they have gotten worse. The last time I tried my luck there was excrement smeared over the walls!
Monopolies, competition and franchises indeed. 
[Edited on 10-2-2011 by Roberto]
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Really? Why don't you try one of your oh-so-detailed explanations, MR. K? I can pretty much guarantee my reading understanding is at least as good as
yours.
Everything you say that is not in 100% agreement with you is filled with implied criticism and innuendo.
Here is what you said
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Antonio has been wanting to upgrade the bathrooms for years. It is his station, but the socialized Pemex monopoly dictates everything that is done at
a station franchise and it has taken years for them to approve his remodel plans. Last I heard, they gave it the approval. |
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In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free enterprise. We, the people choose
where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose
from... LOL!!! |
So, take your best shot, DK, and explain WTF any of this has to do WITH CLEANING BATHROOMS, which is the topic at hand.
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