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DENNIS
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....either produce or were going to counsel you on why your not. |
OK....I see your point. Always did, in fact. I'm just one of those "Truth in advertising" types of folks.
Your above statement brought to mind an officer I once had. He had a habit of saying, "I have some questions I want to answer for you." It was
always a forewarning of discomfort. 
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Here is a link to a large number of officers admitting there are ticket quotas and pressure from command to give certain types of tickets as well as
admissions by officers of planting evidence, stealing evidence and messing with evidence to meet arbitrary quotas.
The denial of this is part of the whole program and a part of the problem, they do it and they publicly deny it, it's a corrupt criminal ring. First
step is to be realistic, then deal with the problem which is wide spread corruption.
There are reports by officers about this all over including video and audio recordings of the demands by command.
Here are some more:
http://truthout.org/former-narcotics-detective-admits-drug-p...
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/12/local/la-me-ticket-q...
http://www.globalwinnipeg.com/police+admit+using+traffic+tic...
http://gothamist.com/2011/04/16/white_plains_cop_admits_give...
http://gothamist.com/2010/09/10/new_recordings_leave_no_doub...
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Barry A.
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GnuKid-----------Im my 30 + years in Law Enforcement, both as a street cop in San Diego and a Supervisor in Federal Law Enforcement I have NEVER
encountered "quotas", nor have I EVER encountered "evidence planting". Does it happen???------maybe------but never to my knowledge did it happen.
Period!!!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
GnuKid-----------Im my 30 + years in Law Enforcement, both as a street cop in San Diego and a Supervisor in Federal Law Enforcement I have NEVER
encountered "quotas", nor have I EVER encountered "evidence planting". Does it happen???------maybe------but never to my knowledge did it happen.
Period!!!!!
Not doubting the above post When the San Diego P.D. become so Corrupt.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
GnuKid-----------Im my 30 + years in Law Enforcement, both as a street cop in San Diego and a Supervisor in Federal Law Enforcement I have NEVER
encountered "quotas", nor have I EVER encountered "evidence planting". Does it happen???------maybe------but never to my knowledge did it happen.
Period!!!!!
Not doubting the above post When the San Diego P.D. become so Corrupt.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
My wife recently cost us $550 when she ALMOST came to a full stop before making a right turn onto Oceanside Blvd. Red light cameras don't just catch
you blowing thru an intersection, they also are setup to make sure you come to a complete stop when making a right turn. She was going about 1/2 mile
per hour when she made her turn. $550!!! We were robbed.
As for Baja, haven't paid a fine in 10 years at least. Seems like I used to a lot, but I drive a little more careful these days.
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I have never paid for one of those red light tickets and either have a lot of people. Many times those red light tickets aren't enforceable or you can
beat them pretty easily.
Of course it depends on the kind of letter you get in mail. For example my two kids got red camera tickets, and the letter, aka "snitch ticket" came
in the mail to me demanding I pay the outrageous sum of money or I snitch on who was really behind the wheel. The letter comes with an affidavit.
They only give you two choices...pay or snitch.
I did neither and just threw the letter in the trash because it wasn't a real ticket from the courts in California. It was a stupid letter from
Arizona looking like a letter from the California courts.
I believe cities in LA county got rid of their red light cameras and one of the reasons why they got rid of them is because they really weren't
enforceable in court for a number of reasons.( one reason is you never promised to appear in court)
Here is a great link that gives advice how to handle those red light tickets.
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/
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Regarding the Mordida. That's a personal thing that you may want to handle in your own way. If you can stand up to the corrupt Mexican cop......that's
great. If you can get them to at least lower their asking price...that's great too. Some people might want to give them $20 dollars to make them go
away instead of holding out in a game of chicken and sees who breaks first.
I for one never listen to what other forum members tell you about how they handle the "Mordida." Listening to some of these characters you wonder why
the corrupt police even bother, because according to these tough guys on the Internet. They always get the corrupt Mexican cop to back off with his
tail between his legs.
However, I suspect if these internet tough guys who claim they always stand up to corrupt cops were to ever get stopped by a real Mexican cop. They
would probably first pee in their pants, and then hand over a bribe before the Mexican cops said a word.
I rather deal with a ticket in Mexico than deal with traffic tickets in the States that just charge an outrageous amount of money.
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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Barry A.
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With all the assumptions that you make, JoeJoe, it's really no wonder that you are so paranoid and strange in your "take" on things. It truly is
amazing to me the stuff you come up with, and apparently much of it just comes from inside your mind!??! 
Barry
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I admire people who say they have NEVER paid the
Little Bite. I'm not one of them. Recently read a bit about a driver in Mex
put in the traffic stop situation, he went to the Police Station,
where the fine rose 4 times the amount of the Mordida the Mex Cop was requesting
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DENNIS
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Bad attitude does have it's price.
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A Long Time Ago ...................
In a Galaxy FAR FAR Away.
Watts in the 60s.
Some "Acquaintances" of mine were taken down to 77th street by LAPD for "Possession" of stolen property leaving me (and a friend) behind. The
"property" was never logged into evidence and they were released O.R. the next morning. Charges never filed.
Although I'd known of MANY such instances anecdotally, that was the first (and only) such I was witness to. Those released simply laughed it off as
the price of doing business. NO COMPLAINT.
ANYONE who wants to wear their Rose-Colored Glasses regarding Law-Enforcement Larceny is welcome to do so, but they're ignoring an awfully lot of
scandals (including Ramparts) where Cops went to the Gray-Bar Hotel for exactly that. A Long-Standing joke in Chicago when a Burglary was found was:
"Call the Cops".
"No Need. They've already been here".
Hey, a guy's gotta make a living.
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mcfez
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Hello...what?
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
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There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
Officer X, who puts in a 40 hour week behind the wheel of a police car "should" be issuing traffic citations as part of his/her job.....it's what they
get paid for.
All part of the "protect" slogan....and depending on who your speaking with, not so much the "serve" part.
As stated before, if they are not, why not?..are they timid, lazy, blind or just what is the problem that your not seeing violations when all your
other peer officers are?
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
If you get stopped for doing 85mph on an interstate, when the maximum limit is 70 and you get a citation, surely you don't whine and complain the
officer is just meeting his quota?
If you make a right turn in violation of a sign and get a ticket, is that just filling a quota because you think it's chicken sheet?
I could care less about you being offensive and it has nothing to do with how obnoxious you are or are not. Nothing personal for sure Mr Dennis.
Quotas do not exist.....only in the minds of those who tried to beat the law and lost are they a "quota" |
Behind the public..there IS the ol' quota. Mmmmmm, let's see...I was very involved with San Francisco and Sacramento cops....had dinner
together...came into my Nightclubs...Hell...we fished together. This conversation came up a few times...and yes...they were told to get the ticket
count up.
Here's proof of one city that been doing it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/lapd-ticket-quota_n...
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by mcfez]
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
without question, when I'm being offensive. |
There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
Officer X, who puts in a 40 hour week behind the wheel of a police car "should" be issuing traffic citations as part of his/her job.....it's what they
get paid for.
All part of the "protect" slogan....and depending on who your speaking with, not so much the "serve" part.
As stated before, if they are not, why not?..are they timid, lazy, blind or just what is the problem that your not seeing violations when all your
other peer officers are?
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
If you get stopped for doing 85mph on an interstate, when the maximum limit is 70 and you get a citation, surely you don't whine and complain the
officer is just meeting his quota?
If you make a right turn in violation of a sign and get a ticket, is that just filling a quota because you think it's chicken sheet?
I could care less about you being offensive and it has nothing to do with how obnoxious you are or are not. Nothing personal for sure Mr Dennis.
Quotas do not exist.....only in the minds of those who tried to beat the law and lost are they a "quota" |
Behind the public..there IS the ol' quota. Mmmmmm, let's see...I was very involved with San Francisco and Sacramento cops....had dinner
together...came into my Nightclubs...Hell...we fished together. This conversation came up a few times...and yes...they were told to get the ticket
count up.
Here's proof of one city that been doing it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/lapd-ticket-quota_n...
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by mcfez] |
Writing tickets is part of the job for police officers. It comes with the territory along with arrests, investigations and reporting. A traffic
officer and a beat cop, to a lesser degree MUST write citations. I hate to keep beating on this but it is part of the job.
Don't write any and your going to get told "bring up your citation count".
Or write very few in comparison to your other fellow officers and your going to be asked to get your citation count up.
Not only citations but "contacts" in general.
Damn....it's a part of the job!! It's the officers duty to enforce laws. Not look the other way because someone is going to whine and snivel about the
fine or insurance consequences or marital bliss.
Bringing up the citation count or contact count is MILES away from being "mandated" to write more.
Did you, in your nightclub business, ever ask your servers to be attentive and push another drink when they noticed a glass half empty?
Push more drinks or we will find someone else who will?
It's a job performance issue...you can't be on the street for 8 or 10 hours and NOT see several violations that should be given a ticket.
If I was a supervisor and one of my officer charges was low on his citations and contacts overall, you bet your axx I am going to counsel him/her to
get those contacts up and find out why they are constantly low.
It's my JOB as a supervisor to increase production.
Yes some supervisors might be overzealous to some degree...everyone has a human element and those directions might be misconstrued to mean "quota"
Again.....counseling or suggesting to get the citations or contacts up (a job requirement by the way) is a FAR cry from imposing mandates and
demanding the increase of citations as a condition of employment.
Indeed, there may be a few VERY rare instances of supervision or management gone wild and impose what might be construed as a quota.
However, that style of management has gone out the window with the writing of laws that are intended to prevent just that thing.
Bottom line it is VERY rare (in CA) for any municipality or county to have imposed a hard and fast ticket quota.
An officer has to listen to more crap about this and that and why and how come so much......the LAST thing he needs is to be knocked on by someone who
"perceives" he is just getting his "quota" when in fact, he/her is just doing the job your paying them to do.
Those who whine the most about quotas are more than likely those who got a citation and felt it was chickensheet and pleaded with the officer to give
him/her a break and the officer actually.......did his job!!
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TRAFFIC TICKETS ARE TAXATION BY GUN
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by J.P.]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by agrd
This came to me late one night (not, fortunately, that I've had any actual experience with the subject). Feel free to add verses.
Mordida! (to the tune of "Maria" from "West Side Story")
Mordida! I just paid a bribe called mordida,
And suddenly I know
Corruption in Cabo
Is real!
[more verses here]
Mordida! Say it loud and it sounds like braying.
Say it soft while the cop is sashaying.
Mordida! I'll never stop paying
Mordida! |
OK, ok but back to these clever lyrics!
Verse # 2;
Mordida, it doesn't cost much for Mordida
And though it really sucks
It's only 30 bucks
A Steal!
And the cop's reprise;
The most beautiful sound I eeeeever heard
Mordiiiiiiiiiiidaaaaaaa!
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by El Jefe]
No b-tchin\' in the Baja.
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One of my wifes retired co-workers moved to Guadalajara, her and her husband lasted only 2 years, she said she got tired of paying bribes. She even
had to pay a bribe to hook up the cable TV. How did Mexico go so wrong? And when will they take their country back, from the coruption, and drug
lords?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
She even had to pay a bribe to hook up the cable TV. |
If you call it a Tip, it's OK.
Bribe = Nasty
Tip = Generous and Good
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
without question, when I'm being offensive. |
There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
Officer X, who puts in a 40 hour week behind the wheel of a police car "should" be issuing traffic citations as part of his/her job.....it's what they
get paid for.
All part of the "protect" slogan....and depending on who your speaking with, not so much the "serve" part.
As stated before, if they are not, why not?..are they timid, lazy, blind or just what is the problem that your not seeing violations when all your
other peer officers are?
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
If you get stopped for doing 85mph on an interstate, when the maximum limit is 70 and you get a citation, surely you don't whine and complain the
officer is just meeting his quota?
If you make a right turn in violation of a sign and get a ticket, is that just filling a quota because you think it's chicken sheet?
I could care less about you being offensive and it has nothing to do with how obnoxious you are or are not. Nothing personal for sure Mr Dennis.
Quotas do not exist.....only in the minds of those who tried to beat the law and lost are they a "quota" |
Behind the public..there IS the ol' quota. Mmmmmm, let's see...I was very involved with San Francisco and Sacramento cops....had dinner
together...came into my Nightclubs...Hell...we fished together. This conversation came up a few times...and yes...they were told to get the ticket
count up.
Here's proof of one city that been doing it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/lapd-ticket-quota_n...
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by mcfez] |
Writing tickets is part of the job for police officers. It comes with the territory along with arrests, investigations and reporting. A traffic
officer and a beat cop, to a lesser degree MUST write citations. I hate to keep beating on this but it is part of the job.
Don't write any and your going to get told "bring up your citation count".
Or write very few in comparison to your other fellow officers and your going to be asked to get your citation count up.
Not only citations but "contacts" in general.
Damn....it's a part of the job!! It's the officers duty to enforce laws. Not look the other way because someone is going to whine and snivel about the
fine or insurance consequences or marital bliss.
Bringing up the citation count or contact count is MILES away from being "mandated" to write more.
Did you, in your nightclub business, ever ask your servers to be attentive and push another drink when they noticed a glass half empty?
Push more drinks or we will find someone else who will?
It's a job performance issue...you can't be on the street for 8 or 10 hours and NOT see several violations that should be given a ticket.
If I was a supervisor and one of my officer charges was low on his citations and contacts overall, you bet your axx I am going to counsel him/her to
get those contacts up and find out why they are constantly low.
It's my JOB as a supervisor to increase production.
Yes some supervisors might be overzealous to some degree...everyone has a human element and those directions might be misconstrued to mean "quota"
Again.....counseling or suggesting to get the citations or contacts up (a job requirement by the way) is a FAR cry from imposing mandates and
demanding the increase of citations as a condition of employment.
Indeed, there may be a few VERY rare instances of supervision or management gone wild and impose what might be construed as a quota.
However, that style of management has gone out the window with the writing of laws that are intended to prevent just that thing.
Bottom line it is VERY rare (in CA) for any municipality or county to have imposed a hard and fast ticket quota.
An officer has to listen to more crap about this and that and why and how come so much......the LAST thing he needs is to be knocked on by someone who
"perceives" he is just getting his "quota" when in fact, he/her is just doing the job your paying them to do.
Those who whine the most about quotas are more than likely those who got a citation and felt it was chickensheet and pleaded with the officer to give
him/her a break and the officer actually.......did his job!! |
While I do indeed respect your viewpoints given here......
And am glad that you are one of the many decent upholders of the law....
Reality of life is that most cities do indeed have quotas ....perhaps legally define with fancy words....but in many cases just outright.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10quotas.html?pag...
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Cities DO not tell their officers to go out a write tickets for violations.
What they do ask of their officers is to DO THEIR JOBS.
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You mean to say, the "Quota" reference to traffic law enforcement is all a myth? Probably so...huh.
But, that can't be to say that any given city will not have a tacit level of intensity for which to enforce the law...can it? There has to be a
level, a benchmark for law interpretation in the field, and that level is set by administration from overly permissive to Draconian. Otherwise, the
cop on the street will be relegated to a roving legal system, without constraints, to punish or forgive as he sees fit at the moment. Freelance law
enforcement....so to speak.
Police may not be told to write, write, write, but if they don't to an accepted level, their next writing may be on a job application. His proper roll
for his own job security falls somewhere between Barney Fife and Serpico, and that place is unspoken, but well defined.
Now....I'm just talkin' and wonderin' here. No accusations or anything like that so please don't take any offense to my questions. You'll know,
without question, when I'm being offensive. |
There is NO quota system for writing tickets.
What there is, is a firm requirement that the officers do their jobs. Some supervisors may stress more vigilent enforcement than others but I can
guarantee you that no sergeant or lieutenant in charge of a squad of officers is going to utter one word about "Hey Joe, I want to see 5 citations out
of you today"
Officer X, who puts in a 40 hour week behind the wheel of a police car "should" be issuing traffic citations as part of his/her job.....it's what they
get paid for.
All part of the "protect" slogan....and depending on who your speaking with, not so much the "serve" part.
As stated before, if they are not, why not?..are they timid, lazy, blind or just what is the problem that your not seeing violations when all your
other peer officers are?
If that very low enforcement level continues, while others are "up to par" officer X will be counseled as to why.
The MYTH of officers having a "quota" is just that.....a myth.
If you get stopped for doing 85mph on an interstate, when the maximum limit is 70 and you get a citation, surely you don't whine and complain the
officer is just meeting his quota?
If you make a right turn in violation of a sign and get a ticket, is that just filling a quota because you think it's chicken sheet?
I could care less about you being offensive and it has nothing to do with how obnoxious you are or are not. Nothing personal for sure Mr Dennis.
Quotas do not exist.....only in the minds of those who tried to beat the law and lost are they a "quota" |
Behind the public..there IS the ol' quota. Mmmmmm, let's see...I was very involved with San Francisco and Sacramento cops....had dinner
together...came into my Nightclubs...Hell...we fished together. This conversation came up a few times...and yes...they were told to get the ticket
count up.
Here's proof of one city that been doing it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/lapd-ticket-quota_n...
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Writing tickets is part of the job for police officers. It comes with the territory along with arrests, investigations and reporting. A traffic
officer and a beat cop, to a lesser degree MUST write citations. I hate to keep beating on this but it is part of the job.
Don't write any and your going to get told "bring up your citation count".
Or write very few in comparison to your other fellow officers and your going to be asked to get your citation count up.
Not only citations but "contacts" in general.
Damn....it's a part of the job!! It's the officers duty to enforce laws. Not look the other way because someone is going to whine and snivel about the
fine or insurance consequences or marital bliss.
Bringing up the citation count or contact count is MILES away from being "mandated" to write more.
Did you, in your nightclub business, ever ask your servers to be attentive and push another drink when they noticed a glass half empty?
Push more drinks or we will find someone else who will?
It's a job performance issue...you can't be on the street for 8 or 10 hours and NOT see several violations that should be given a ticket.
If I was a supervisor and one of my officer charges was low on his citations and contacts overall, you bet your axx I am going to counsel him/her to
get those contacts up and find out why they are constantly low.
It's my JOB as a supervisor to increase production.
Yes some supervisors might be overzealous to some degree...everyone has a human element and those directions might be misconstrued to mean "quota"
Again.....counseling or suggesting to get the citations or contacts up (a job requirement by the way) is a FAR cry from imposing mandates and
demanding the increase of citations as a condition of employment.
Indeed, there may be a few VERY rare instances of supervision or management gone wild and impose what might be construed as a quota.
However, that style of management has gone out the window with the writing of laws that are intended to prevent just that thing.
Bottom line it is VERY rare (in CA) for any municipality or county to have imposed a hard and fast ticket quota.
An officer has to listen to more crap about this and that and why and how come so much......the LAST thing he needs is to be knocked on by someone who
"perceives" he is just getting his "quota" when in fact, he/her is just doing the job your paying them to do.
Those who whine the most about quotas are more than likely those who got a citation and felt it was chickensheet and pleaded with the officer to give
him/her a break and the officer actually.......did his job!! |
While I do indeed respect your viewpoints given here......
And am glad that you are one of the many decent upholders of the law....
Reality of life is that most cities do indeed have quotas ....perhaps legally define with fancy words....but in many cases just outright.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10quotas.html?pag... |
No your wrong again.....MOST cities DO NOT have quotas.
That is the reality of life you refuse to acknowledge.
You plucked a couple off cases off the internet and now most all cities have quotas?
Are you stuck in hyperbole?
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Get rid of that word, "Quota," and perhaps this discussion will move forward.
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Get rid of that word, "Quota," and perhaps this discussion will move forward. |
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