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elskel
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The picture on the WON blog of the so called fishing visa looks exactly like a FMM, the same one given out at the border when driving south.
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sancho
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Possible New FMM Requirements?
I believe something was posted a few days back re:
POSSIBLE fmm changes, this info is about a week old,
don't know how, if at all, it will be implemented.
There is a new/different fmm being required of
anglers on Sport fishing boats/ private boats
fishing the coast of Baja as of Jan.1, 2012. http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/28/anglers-need-visa...
This is the passage that made me take notice
All U.S. or international tourists travelling to Mexico must have a visa to enter Mexico. It’s called a FMM permit. This permit must go through a
different process, depending on whether one is entering Mexico by land or by sea.
Don't know if this is just meanless wording, or not
[Edited on 1-4-2012 by sancho]
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DENNIS
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With no mention of the free zone or accomodations for day-trippers, I think this is just more misinformation.
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BajaWarrior
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Got this email from Discover Baja today:
Dear Discover Baja Memebers,
A very Happy New Year to all of you.
As often happens in Mexico the beginning of the new year brings changes in permits or rules and regulations. This year is no exception. We became
aware yesterday afternoon that the cost of FMMs or Tourist Visas increased yesterday morning. They went up from 262 pesos to 294 pesos. This is
despite the fact that we called repeatedly to ask if there would be any changes----ahhhh Mexico!!
If you have purchased tourist visas from Discover Baja and have not yet had them stamped, call us at 800-727-2252 and we will do a second bank receipt
for the additional 32 pesos (no additional charge to you!) From today on the pre-paid visas purchased through Discover Baja will cost $34.00 each. We
are sorry for any inconvenience this causes any of our members.
The new enforcement of tourist visas for those fishing continues to be a bit of a problem. For our members who fish regularly in Mexican waters, you
need to purchase an FMM or tourist visa (now 294 pesos or $34.00 through our office.) These are good for 180 days after you get them stamped at
immigration in Mexico. Have your visa and passport (or passcard) on you when fishing.
For those going out on a 1-day fishing excursion we are still working with immigration to determine if there is a visa for a shorter period that can
be sold. We will keep everyone posted.
We wish all of you many happy Baja experiences in 2012. Thank you for letting us be part of your adventures.
Saludos,
Carol, Hugh, Maythé and Monica
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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cj5orion
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fishing visa's ?
Anybody got info about these new visa's ????
In particular.....if your boat is kept in Baja do ya gotta get one ?
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sancho
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I posted a little info off the SD Newspaper here
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=57290
What I believe, is that this new fmm/fishing visa
is aimed at Sportfishing boats and private boaters
fishing the N Baja coast in Mex waters. It appears this fmm
is different in appearance to the regular fmm,
say 1 has a boat in Coral or La Salina, I would guess
he has to get the fishing visa, I don't think the Mex Navy
could determine your port of origin. Say 1 is fishing a
panga out of Punta Banda, I doubt you would need
1. Just read a reply that Discover Baja club is claiming
that you can use the regular 180 fmm to satisfy this
new Fishing fmm requirement, I'm not sure of that because
some report the fishing visa in different looking than
tha 180 fmm, what the heck it is Mexico. I hope that is the
case though. a bit confusing
[Edited on 1-5-2012 by sancho]
[Edited on 1-5-2012 by sancho]
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bajatravelergeorge
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Saturday, on Lets Talk Hookup on 1090am, they were saying you only need it if your fishing within 24 miles of the coastline or an island. There was
some peeing and moaning about the fact that there's only a couple of places to buy the visas.
I predict that this will go the way of the dodo bird pretty quick when the number of commercial sportfishing boats heading into Mexican waters drops
dramatically due to lack of customers willing to shell out the extra dough and effort to comply. Mostly on the shorter trips out of San Diego. They'll
be losing the fishing license revenue as well.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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FISHING FMM'S FROM WESTERN OUTDOOR NEWS
Hola,
this still does not answer all the questiions, but as usual, clarifications will come sooner or later. it's already later.
don't shoot me, i'm only passing info.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
New visa requirements set for U.S. anglers fishing Mexican Waters
BY BRANDON HAYWARD
WON Staff Writer
SAN DIEGO — It’s official: U.S.-based anglers fishing Mexican waters need a FMM visa, while crewmembers on sportboats will need an FM3 visa.
The new requirements stem from a Mexican law passed on May 25, 2011, and enacted by (INAMI) Mexico’s Immigration Department.
On May 25, 2011 a new immigration law in Mexico was enacted. According to a press release, the new law was created “in order to create in our country
a framework of guarantees to protect the rights of the individuals in our country, facilitate and manage the migratory flows to and from Mexico,
favoring the protection and respect of human rights of Mexicans and foreigners, regardless [of] their origin, nationality, gender, ethnicity, age and
immigration status.”
What the new law means for anglers is that a visa must be obtained before fishing on both sport and private boats. Any trips that fishes within trip
24 miles of land—including islands—needs to have visas for everyone on the vessel. International “safe passage” clauses allow for transit inside the
24 mile buffer without permits. Trips fishing outside of 24 miles of Mexico—including islands—will not need visas. Come the summer/fall offshore
season, trips that fish outside of 24 miles will not need visas.
A third party, Mexican-owned company, Mex Tour Assist, has been set up to process and assist with visas. The cost of the visas for sportboat anglers
will be, as of January 1, per person: Three days or less: $28.00, four to nine days: $33.06, 10 to 30 days: $38.06
As of February 1, the costs will increase, and be, per person: Three days or less: $33.06, four to nine days: $38.06, 10 to 30 days: $43.06. The cost
of the FM3 work visa — which needs a sponsor, which Mex Tour Assist provides — is $250 after the $90 handling fee to Mex Tour Assist. They are issues
per boat, so if a crewmember works on multiple boats, they’d need multiple visas if fishing within 24 miles of Mexican territory.
All four San Diego landings have been set up to sell the visas — which are simply being tacked on to ticket prices — to sportboat anglers. But the
landings will not be selling visas to private boaters.
Private boaters can purchase the visas at Dana Landing in Mission Bay. Cost will be $35 per person, per trip. John White at Dana Landing said that it
will take less than 5 minutes to process the visa. No anglers came into the landing on New Years Day to buy a visa and go private boat fishing in
Mexico.
The other option is to obtain the visa in Mexico and bypass the handling fees. But only the Port of Ensenada’s INAMI office sells the FMM visas that
are valid at sea.
Troy Williams at Mex Tour Assist told WON that FMM Visas purchased in Tijuana and San Ysidro are not valid at sea. “They stamp them valid for land or
sea. The stamps they put on in Tijuana (and San Ysidro) are for land travel only,” said Williams. “The only place to get the FMM for sea use is in
Ensenada.”
Cost is $21 if obtained in Ensenada. The visa for anglers and boaters is different from the terrestrial FMM. A visa is needed for each trip. Few
anglers are expected to visit Mexico to get the visas.
Passports are not needed to get the visas. In fact, John White at Dana Landing said that a credit card is acceptable identification for private
boaters getting a visa. For juveniles, a school ID or library card are acceptable. National IDs are being required by INAMI. National IDs will be
asked for if boarded/checked.
The visas have to be returned after the trip, and it is the responsibility of the angler to return the visa. Mailing the visa is one option. As is
returning it to the place of issue.
The visa requirement has hit the 3⁄4-day fleet hard. It will be $123 — after visa and Mexican permit — to fish the Coronado Islands on H&M
Landing’s Malihini. The boat did not get out New Year’s Day or Monday. Rick Marin at H&M Landing said that the Malihini will do something it’s
never done before — offer local 3⁄4-day trips that will not fish in Mexican waters. The trips will be online Monday through Thursday and cost
just $70 — $123 will be the price to fish the islands on its Friday, Saturday and Sunday trips to the Coronados.
Long range boats will no longer have to check into Ensenada to fish Guadalupe Island. The visas are totally separate from licenses and permits, so
permits remain the same. The Red Rooster III and Royal Polaris were the first boat to depart with the visas on Jan. 2.
Here are more details about the visa, provided by Mex Tour Assist:
There are two primary options provided by INAMI that allow anglers to apply for a Mexican Visa if they intend to enter the Territorial Waters of
Mexico:
• Boaters can appear at the Mexican land border points of entry and obtain a Visa through an INAMI designated facility.
• Boaters may report to the Port of Ensenada point of entry and contact the IMANI Office at the Port to obtain a Visa.
The facts:
• All US or International tourists traveling to Mexico must have Visa to enter Mexico. This is called an FMM permit. This permit must go through a
different process depending on whether one is entering by land or by sea.
• INAMI has authorized a 3rd party organization to initiate the water entry Visa process at the 5 San Diego landings for tourists with passage on any
SAC member vessel.
• The SAC landings will only be facilitating the Visa. All other Visa’s must be obtained in Mexico.
• The cost of the Visa will vary depending on the length of the trip and the value of the Peso
• INAMI will monitor the border and execute random inspections of all vessels crossing into Mexican territorial waters, including monitoring the
private marine recreational sector
• If you are boarded by INAMI, they will ask you for a National ID and your Mexican Visa
• The Visa must be processed and paid for ahead of time
• All FMM Visas are to be returned within 24 hrs upon return to the U.S.
• Vessels traveling through the territorial waters of Mexico, not engaging in activities, but seeking only “innocent passage” while enroute to
international waters, will not be required to have a Visa.
• Crew members will be required to have a FM3 which can be obtained through the 3rd party company or in a INAMI office
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
I predict that this will go the way of the dodo bird pretty quick when the number of commercial sportfishing boats heading into Mexican waters drops
dramatically due to lack of customers willing to shell out the extra dough and effort to comply. Mostly on the shorter trips out of San Diego. They'll
be losing the fishing license revenue as well. |
I would not count on it going away, I'm not sure Mex Immigration cares that Passengers on San Diego boats
have to spend a few extra $, you are right in that Mex has shot itself in the
foot before with neddless regs. The part that interests me is that Discover
Baja has recieved info that you can use the 180 day
fmm to satisfy the fishing visa. So if 1 fishes out of San
Diego, go to TJ and get a 180 fmm
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sancho
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That info directly conflicts with the posted info from
Discover Baja, who apparently claims 1 can use the
reg 180 day fmm to satisfy the requirements for
the New Fishing Tourist card. Not the 1st time
info has had a couple interpretations. The WON
info does seem clear about the fmm being stamped
as valid at sea. So much for the info that a regular
land crossing 180 day fmm will do for fishing
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David K
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Maybe call Hugh or Carol and direct them to this post... they do read and post on Baja Nomad.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJA.DESERT.RAT
• All US or International tourists traveling to Mexico must have Visa to enter Mexico. This is called an FMM permit. This permit must go through a
different process depending on whether one is entering by land or by sea.
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I just noticed this on the WON info, I wonder if this
is to be taken exactly as printed? If so the Mex
IMM Office at TJ will have a few more customers
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bajaguy
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And
What if you have a valid FM-2 or FM-3 and launch in Baja???
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sancho
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On the BN News section, Baja Desert Rat has a post
that MAY have an answer, looks like it is clear as mud
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David K
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Of course it isn't true, otherwise it would take hours to get into Mexico... We just crossed south as we always have and with a green light, drove
right to San Felipe and beyond.
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BillP
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From everything I've read, the new visa is only for those entering Baja by water(fishing or not), not land, is good for only for one entry/exit, and
has three time frames and pricing structures. In the beginning, only the San Diego Landings will be selling them for their boats as well as the
private boats.
Employees on San Diego boats will be required to get FM3's.
FM2's and FM3's trump the fishing visa.
Private boats transiting further south can still get their visa's at Ensenada as always.
Your mileage may vary......
[Edited on 1-6-2012 by BillP]
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cj5orion
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SO ?
Gonzaga Bay......is probably "safe" ?
Home Remodels/Builds..Recession!
Gone BAJA BUILDIN/FISHIN !
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BillP
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cj5orion
SO ?
Gonzaga Bay......is probably "safe" ? |
If you're entering Mexico by land, procedure remains the same, just get your regular FMM at the border.
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bajagrouper
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As of Monday, Jan 2nd the price of an FMM went up to 294 pesos but because of the decline of the peso against the dollar it will actually come out to
about $21 USD for the 180 day FMM now renamed VISITOR WITH NO LUCRATIVE ACTIVITY ...........
[Edited on 1-6-2012 by bajagrouper]
[Edited on 1-6-2012 by bajagrouper]
I hear the whales song
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bajagrouper
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As of Monday, Jan 2nd the price of an FMM went up to 294 pesos but because of the decline of the peso against the dollar it will actually come out to
about $21 USD for the 180 day FMM now renamed VISITOR WITH NO LUCRATIVE ACTIVITY.............
[Edited on 1-6-2012 by bajagrouper]
I hear the whales song
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