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The current Keystone pipeline was predicted to have on average 1.4 leaks every 10 years. They had 14 in one year. 100 times what was predicted.
Safe, huh?
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Having to hire welders based on affirmative action quotas?
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The leak rate is really not the issue. Just one catastrophic leak could pollute that aquifer. And the US would be taking that risk so the Canadians
can sell their oil to countries other than the US.
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Seriously, liberalism IS a mental disorder! |
dk: nobody listens when you argue via insult!
good day!
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We need it. Drill It.
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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we need it! learn how to conserve! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Lou, barite (baryte) which is what the mine produces is not hazardous. .... |
In its natural state it isn't hazardous, but when mining it a plethora of dust is produced. When hauling it...especially since the majority of those
trucks in Baja don't cover their material...barite dust comes from the trucks.
Breathing that dust even for short periods of time is considered a health hazard. That's why the Hazardous Sheet for the material contains the
warning:
PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN HANDLING AND STORING Avoid breathing dust. Practice reasonable caution and personal cleanliness. Launder contaminated
clothing before reuse. Store in a cool dry area
and:
IARC Monographs, Vol 68, 1997, concludes that there is sufficient evidence that inhaled crystalline sillica in the form of quartz or
crysto-balite from occupational sources cause cancer in humans. IARC classification Group 1. Because of quantity and composition, the
health hazard is small.
That last sentence is important because, again, in its natural state (i.e. undisturbed, unmined, unpulverized) its health hazard is small.
But, to make the comment that it is NOT hazardous in dust form is incorrect.
As for the oil rigs in the Santa Barbara Channel we lived in the area for over forty years. I never liked seeing them, and I was glad that one of the
better things that happened during Bush the Elder's term was that a moratorium on new leases went into effect (1990). Incidentally, that moratorium,
legistration for which began during Reagan's term, expires sometime this year I think.
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Having to hire welders based on affirmative action quotas?
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Who knows, most likely they hired the guys that would work for the least amount of money. The tar sand "oil" is sludgy crap. It wasn't considered
marketable until oil hit $100 a barrel. It doesn't flow, it needs to be dilluted with other hydrocarbons before entering the pipeline. And even then
more pressure needs to be used. It's pure muck and the pipelines need to be designed to handle it.
There is a lot of debate on this number but I've read it costs $75 a barrel to extract. Economies of scale would probably bring that number down, but
I'm not sure. It is true it takes a tremendous amount of water and a lot of polluted waste water is produced.
Plus there is a measurement that is the ratio of the amount of energy expended to get a barrel's worth energy. This stuff doesn't do to well in that
department.
Getting hooked on tar sand oil will be an expensive and very dirty habit.
[Edited on 3-9-2012 by SFandH]
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Cypress
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SFandH, I agree.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
The current Keystone pipeline was predicted to have on average 1.4 leaks every 10 years. They had 14 in one year. 100 times what was predicted.
Safe, huh? |
You know, a far more challanging pipeline was installed across Alaska many years ago, despite the hysteria of the left that it would destroy the
state... Just why do you guys want America to become a third world country... why do you hate prosperity...??
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Cypress
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We can and will drill and get our(USA) own oil as soon as we get rid of the liberal anchor around the neck of the USA. Bye-bye Obama!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bufeo
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Lou, barite (baryte) which is what the mine produces is not hazardous. .... |
In its natural state it isn't hazardous, but when mining it a plethora of dust is produced. When hauling it...especially since the majority of those
trucks in Baja don't cover their material...barite dust comes from the trucks.
Breathing that dust even for short periods of time is considered a health hazard. That's why the Hazardous Sheet for the material contains the
warning:
PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN HANDLING AND STORING Avoid breathing dust. Practice reasonable caution and personal cleanliness. Launder contaminated
clothing before reuse. Store in a cool dry area
and:
IARC Monographs, Vol 68, 1997, concludes that there is sufficient evidence that inhaled crystalline sillica in the form of quartz or
crysto-balite from occupational sources cause cancer in humans. IARC classification Group 1. Because of quantity and composition, the
health hazard is small.
That last sentence is important because, again, in its natural state (i.e. undisturbed, unmined, unpulverized) its health hazard is small.
But, to make the comment that it is NOT hazardous in dust form is incorrect.
As for the oil rigs in the Santa Barbara Channel we lived in the area for over forty years. I never liked seeing them, and I was glad that one of the
better things that happened during Bush the Elder's term was that a moratorium on new leases went into effect (1990). Incidentally, that moratorium,
legistration for which began during Reagan's term, expires sometime this year I think.
Allen R |
I took a couple ore samples, and I have to tell you that barite weighs a ton for its size! I don't see any dust if the ore is transported in chunk
form... and I can't imagine they would process it down to a sand or dust size at the mine... Stamp mills need power and a place to do that... and La
Olvidada is on the side of a mountain, overlooking El Huerfanito and El Muerto islands.
So, the only dust will be inside the mountain of the mine as they are drilling tunnels, and if it is trucked away in rock form, it is dust free... as
I said it is both hard and heavy as iron!
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
The current Keystone pipeline was predicted to have on average 1.4 leaks every 10 years. They had 14 in one year. 100 times what was predicted.
Safe, huh? |
Just why do you guys want America to become a third world country... why do you hate prosperity...?? |
I don't want the United States to become a third world country nor do I hate prosperity.
How did you come to those conclusions?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by watizname
I've only heard on one guy lately who DIDN'T use gas or an oil product to get to Baja to have their fun, or get to the market or get the kids to
school or get the fish to the packing plant----or------ seems like we need to continue to drill. I'm all for saving the environment, but we have to
sacrafice some of it to make life livable. The good old days had Horse pucky in the streets, and we were killing whales to get light at night.
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Increase supply or decrease demand.....putting up oil platforms off the coast of Oceanside is not an option in my opinion
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Why isn't it an option? We need the oil and if the oil is there on our territory...
that would be the greatest thing for everyone... if that is where the oil is!
But, we already know where the oil is, and it is on land... land closed by Obama!
Why? Well, maybe:
a) force the price of oil to go up (what he has publically stated he wants to happen)... he needs to force people to buy his GM electric cars... and
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Hey DK,
Bill O'Reilly and Fox News seem to agree with Obama and gas prices. See for yourself: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/video-fox-news-defends-president-...
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Bill O'Rielly is wrong this time. He really does not understand the oil market very well. (not that I do, you understand)
Barry
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Ah yes, oil pipelines are much improved since the 1960's.
Here is the Yellowstone River just last year after a "safe" Exxon pipe line leaked 42,000 gallons of oil into the river.
Photo Credit Larry Mayer/AP
Guess that could never happen to the Ogallala Aquifer.
OK, but the company says it will create about 20,000 jobs! Opps, a report from the Cornell University Global Labor Institute
reports that it would only create between 2,500-4,650 temporary positions for two years, and probably only about 50 of those would be permanent jobs
in the US. They also state that in the long run, the project might kill more jobs than it creates. They also report on the likelihood of leaks. The Cornell Report
But I guess Faux news has more credibility than Cornell University.
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David K
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I don't care what Fox or MSNBC or any network says... common sense, logic, and more freedom for all Americans is the basis for my opinions.
Emotions, fantasy, and more power to the federal government are what seem to motivate liberal opinions... just saying.
Why do you want us to move closer to what the Soviet Union was like with these failed ideas???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't care what Fox or MSNBC or any network says... common sense, logic, and more freedom for all Americans is the basis for my opinions.
Emotions, fantasy, and more power to the federal government are what seem to motivate liberal opinions... just saying.
Why do you want us to move closer to what the Soviet Union was like with these failed ideas??? |
Ah yes---more freedom for all Americans---the freedom to pollute. As Michele Bachmann likes to say, the EPA is a job killer! Ah yes, the Cayahoga
River had to be beautiful when it was on fire.
And Yes, the oil spill on the Yellowstone was emotion and fantasy.
But I just can't figure out what failed ideas that have been expressed here would lead us toward the long gone Soviet Union? I do believe that is a
classic example of "Begging the Question" in standard logic.
BTW---liberals believe in a strong work ethic and strong unions to promote fairness and the middle class ---including the idea that those with health
issues should be accommodated in the workplace. That is something to which you might want to give some serious personal thought.
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i just don't understand why an "all of the above" energy policy has done less to keep the price of gas,oil, heating oil down. they say we are
importing less foreign oil (thereby implying that prices should come down) as we are in the midst of a slowly evolving recession.
the energy secretary has said we should be paying european prices!?!? does he want to permanently kill off this country?
the administration is paying wind farm operators to reign in production because the infrastructure to distribute it is not up to par. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/07/wind-power-compan...
ethanol uses more resources to produce it and gives less btu's than a comparable gallon of gasoline.
solyndra was given 1/2 billion dollars of our money when they couldn't compete.
there needs to be a hard look at subsidizing all of the above industries, oil included. if we are going to help out oil companies, they should be
required to flood the American market with ALL of the oil they produce in America to keep the price low in America before they are allowed to sell on
the open market/oversees.
without oil the human race would still be living in log cabins, riding horses and growing most of their own food. for some that is ideal, but it's
hard to sustain 300 million people with a community garden.
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Liberals grab the credit for all the positive things and conservatives get blamed for the negatives, disasters, etc. Yea, those "occupiers" are the
cream of the liberal crop. On the other hand you have the conservative "tea party"...
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