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willardguy
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but what about the family that doesnt get to go home to california and put it on the curb? the trash has to go somewhere
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rubencastillo
Our group, friends,and family have been to many of the Baja race's We always haul out what we bring, plus more. I have taken extra trash bag's to
hand out, help's a little. They need to Educate the local's that they dont have folk's picking up after them..I know the Score folk's are always
reminding racers and pit crew's to pick up after them self's.. I for one try to let the fan's in our area pick up after them selfs, 90 percent our
cool about it,,the others just play dumb,,thinking someone else will pick up for them,,Sorry for venting,,but were loseing the our clean
Desert's,Oh yea we haul our trash back to San Diego, Coustoms wont even open the
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and this is cool, I am sure as Dennis says, as the younger generation is coming aboard with all these issues it will work for the better for every
one,
I dont like picking up after people whether I am In Baja or here in Arizona, now pay me alot of money and I might change my mind LOL
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
I dont like picking up after people whether I am In Baja or here in Arizona, now pay me alot of money and I might change my mind LOL
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I have packed out glass and aluminum although there is no redemption monies for these materials here in California.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
I dont like picking up after people whether I am In Baja or here in Arizona, now pay me alot of money and I might change my mind LOL
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I have packed out glass and aluminum although there is no redemption monies for these materials here in California. |
Ken-------that is very strange------here in Redding, CA (the RedNeck right-wing capitol of the universe) everything is recycled and we do have a
healthy "redemption" program for aluminum (tho mostly we just let the city program have the profits since they collect the recyclables-------we have 3
separate cans-------garbage, green waste, and recyclables, and have for years.
Barry
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by desertcpl
I dont like picking up after people whether I am In Baja or here in Arizona, now pay me alot of money and I might change my mind LOL
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I have packed out glass and aluminum although there is no redemption monies for these materials here in California. |
Ken-------that is very strange------here in Redding, CA (the RedNeck right-wing capitol of the universe) everything is recycled and we do have a
healthy "redemption" program for aluminum (tho mostly we just let the city program have the profits since they collect the recyclables-------we have 3
separate cans-------garbage, green waste, and recyclables, and have for years.
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When the recycling machine scans for a CA Redemption bar code on Mexican-produced cans and bottles, it doesn't find any. Therefore, no monies are
paid out - unless someone takes the gas/aluminum in a large container in bulk to pay you with a coupon for it.
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Barry A.
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Ken---------Here in Redding you can take a bag of alum. cans into the recycle center (state of the art), they weigh the bags, run them thru a machine
as you watch, and pay you on the spot in cash -----no "bar codes" checked.
Barry
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wilderone
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I was surprised to see someone (appeared to be official looking employee - not a trash scrounging individual) picking up trash along Mex 1 just south
of the Abreojos turnoff. There were multiple plastic bags full of trash ready to be collected. I also thought, overall, Mex. 1 looked relatively
litter free. Lots of "Don't Throw Trash", "Keep Your Highway Clean" signs. At the Scammons Lagoon camping area, there are three trash cans at every
site - one for recyclables, one for organics and one for "other" trash. Maybe the message is finally starting to take hold. And particular events
should plan for a clean-up crew afterward. What bothers me A LOT is the broken glass at every fire ring you come across. I cleaned up and brought
broken glass home with me - from my secret Punta Prieta camping place - which is now glass free. One time US Customs took my trash sack because I
told them I had bought and eaten oranges in Baja - they wanted the orange peels. Leave no trace.
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BajaBlanca
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the mess left behind at these events is horrible and for sure, an extra fee should be collected to cover clean up costs.
The only way to change this is by example. If they see us carrying out our trash from public places, that is a good start.
My goal has been to work with the kids - they are the future of Mexico.
I found it very interesting that LITTER was such a major issue in the surey. i would have to agree totally about it being a priority for my chosen
community.
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David K
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Ummm, go to the first post in this thread... that is what is being discussed. The race was the San Felipe 250... as well.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
the mess left behind at these events is horrible and for sure, an extra fee should be collected to cover clean up costs.
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instead of (or in addition to) a cleaning fee, govt to require a bond be posted by race permittee, and bond only released after suitable cleanup
documented. govt could cash in on bond if race promoter leaves trash all over the desert, causes road damage, causes erosion damage, etc.
the race is source of problem. the litterers would not be present if not for race
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
the mess left behind at these events is horrible and for sure, an extra fee should be collected to cover clean up costs.
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instead of (or in addition to) a cleaning fee, govt to require a bond be posted by race permittee, and bond only released after suitable cleanup
documented. govt could cash in on bond if race promoter leaves trash all over the desert, causes road damage, causes erosion damage, etc.
the race is source of problem. the litterers would not be present if not for race |
Goat, goat, goat-------------sorta like drugs are the problem, not the users--------if there were no drugs, there would be no users/abusers. This
type of thinking ALWAYS blows my mind.
The responsibility lies with the knotheads that litter, not the Race promoters.
Like, it's not the oceans fault that people drown in it-----it's the individuals fault that jump into it.
Arghhhhhhhhhh--------so frustrating!!!!! 
barry
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David K
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The races in Baja began in 1967, the mobs of people came later.
Litter would not be a problem if the people who bring it also take it away.
Don't you think getting people to stop throwing trash onto the ground anywhere at anytime is what matters?
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sancho
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I have never joined a group of Gringos picking up
basura after a Mex Holiday, but when in SF at
a campground in town, I get the rake and clean he
beach as needed. I certainly don't consider 20 min
out of my day as JANITORIAL work. Quite the opposite.
I'll take it a step further, 'leave it cleaner than you found
it', regardless of the source of trash. I feel quility if I
don't, whether it's a lake in the Ca Sierras, or Baja,
I feel it's an obligation, a little concern for the places
I enjoy visiting. Foutunately I think MOST feel the
same
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Barry A.
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I applaud you, Sancho------you hit the nail on the head!!
Barry
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
I have never joined a group of Gringos picking up
basura after a Mex Holiday, but when in SF at
a campground in town, I get the rake and clean he
beach as needed. I certainly don't consider 20 min
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Great. But, you don't approach the task as an act of Noblesse Oblige as I've seen done here. Most people I've seen in these efforts couldn't care
less about the environment, but they do like to show they travel the moral highground and, after all, they are good stewards of the land and it's
incumbent upon them to show these Mexicans how to treat the earth.
Coincidently...there is a beach-cleaning party being organized at this moment right here in PB and it's being tossed about on the Punta Banda Bulletin
Board. Here is a couple of statements from one of the participants concerning the effort:
"As a little bit younger guy- I will continue to be a voice for a higher standard and set of values-- for everyone- not just Mexico"
"I would just like to see Mexico step up once in a while"
It's so nice to see saviors among the heathens. 
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For some reason people just don't know how to pick up after themselves. Even if there are no trash cans around they could put their trash in a bag and
carry it away with them when they leave.
Another habit people have during the Baja 250 is driving with a total disregard for traffic regulations. I wonder if those race driver wannabees would like it if I drove by their homes at 60-70mph. I'm surprised there was
only one fatality on Hwy5 this race weekend.
Drive as fast and stupid as you'd like out in the desert, but please next year drive through residential areas with some courtesy and regard for local
speed limits.
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajorge
For some reason people just don't know how to pick up after themselves. Even if there are no trash cans around they could put their trash in a bag and
carry it away with them when they leave.
Another habit people have during the Baja 250 is driving with a total disregard for traffic regulations. I wonder if those race driver wannabees would like it if I drove by their homes at 60-70mph. I'm surprised there was
only one fatality on Hwy5 this race weekend.
Drive as fast and stupid as you'd like out in the desert, but please next year drive through residential areas with some courtesy and regard for local
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I know its insane,, they all think they are in the race, I dont want to be on the road at all during these times
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
they do like to show they travel the moral highground and, after all, they are good stewards of the land and it's incumbent upon them to show these
Mexicans how to treat the earth.
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I know what you mean when deeds are done to strictly
to 'get noticed, get a pat on the back'. Heck D if you knew
me, you would realize I have no Moral Highground.
I would NEVER suggest to a Mex National how to
govern himself
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Sorry for your wait willardguy !
SF has improved drastically over the last 8 years....with the trash issue. The Rotary Club and the Lions Club ....have been working with city
officials as well as the Mexicali officials. The drive from Mexicali to San Felipe is clean up in a mega way. Cars, litter...some old structures...all
removed. Trash receptacles were place randomly along the highway (which was a bad idea....never emptied).
The town and beaches are a mess after major events.The Baja 500.... Memorial Day ....Spring Break.....and a dozen other events that draws thousands of
tourist. It is said that SF had zero vacancy the last during Memorial Day....Baja500 draws around 100,000 thousand folks from Ensenada to the San
Felipe areas............EXPECT TRASH!
And here I go again.......
Who here has ever seen clean streets right after the Rose Bowl Parade? How bout the Macy's Parade of New York? Even seen a clean beach...say....
Huntington Beach right after the 4th of July? How bout all these cigarette butts that were in the gutters of the USA street and highways? Why do we
have volunteer companies cleaning up sections of our highways...and it is still sort of bad in many sectors?
Photo of a trash heap on the Rose Parade route from a previous year
http://tiny.cc/s3k6aw
Each city needs improvement
Blow you mind away with this reading....
http://laist.com/2012/01/06/who_left_behind_more_trash_occup...
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cant wait to hear from SF horns |
[Edited on 3-14-2012 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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