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brewer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
When the US economy rebounds the tourists will return to Baja. The results of the next presidential election in the US will be the deciding
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Yea right. Mitt's going to rebound the economy? Ha. Ha.
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Cypress
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Brewer,
The Obama crowd has already proven what it can do.
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castaway$
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For us its the economy NOB, we just can't afford the trip. We usually make our month plus trip in December with the truck/camper/boat but just to get
to the border from Oregon costs $400 - $500 for fuel, then theres eats etc.... and figuring the round trip it's a good part of our budget. Were not
afraid of the Narco problem we just get out of TJ and on our way, the border crossing is the border crossing it hasn't changed that much for us time
wise in the last 12 years except we get sent to secondary on the way back.
Were still going though, air miles, stay at a friends beach house, it's almost free today except a little beer money and getting raped to rent a car,
but we only get to stay for 2 weeks.
Oh ya, whether its Obamney or Robama it won't make any difference until the Partisan BS in the Senate and Congress changes dramatically and our
elected officials start representing the people instead of representing special interests that fund them and their parties, and quit worrying about
whose in power, and if they can get re elected, well basically everything except what we elected them for.
Live Indubiously!
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David K
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My opinion, nothing personal okay?:
It is really simple... when the majority in the House and Senate has a R by their names, America prospers, we have jobs and more taxes go to the
treasury.
When the majority in congress has a D by their names, America suffers, we lose jobs, less taxes go to the treasury and more people are on Food Stamps.
Then their answer is to tax business more (after already forcing many a business to leave with their insane regulations).
The president who is elected has much less to do with our economy, but when all three (House, Senate, President) have a D, it spells DOOM.
Clinton was president during the Republican Revolution in Congress (Newt in charge), and because of the Republicans, things were great... and funny
democrats credit Clinton with the economy, when he had nothing to do with it, other than to go along with the Republican changes. Clinton was smart!
America did great, and money was coming in.
Now, jump up to the 2006 (mid term) election in which the democrats took control of congress for the final 2 years of Bush... The economy began to
crash in 2007 & 2008... Bush got the blame, but it was congress that controls the budget (just like after the 1994 election).
The House (R) since 2010 election has been sending bill after bill to the president to sign to get America working again... The president has signed
nothing... as making things better is counter to his goal of socializing America and making everyone dependent on government food stamps and medical
care... thinking the more we need government, the more secure their jobs are.
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mcfez
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Re adapting your habits......a partial solution to get your Baja back into your life. The Dodge Ram stayed home this time......the sports car we took.
Savings around $650.00 in fuel cost. Around $240 for Sacramento to SF and back again. We packed our road meals.....no out to meals on the road. Good
savings.
We usually eat out every day....lunch and dinner. This time we cut all that down to half. Spent the pesos at the local market. Fresh ingredients was
for meals was good.
As always......I do not head into large busy cities such as T.J. I feel that the smaller towns are safer to play in...as it is in the USA. San Felipe
and southward for hundreds of miles is very safe.
San Felipe is hard hit with the downfall of the economy....visually obvious. Many of the Mexican males have taken up positions at the gold mine. Fact
is...the mine has a running employee bus service all the way up to the high valley communities off Mex 3.
We were not there for the Easter...............so I cannot say how busy it was at that time.
The homes are dirt cheap...and hundreds are up for sale. No takers. Third party information I got was the homes down south of San Felipe....are listed
around $25,000. No buyers to say.
The fishing, to us..............is always good. No "fill em up to the rim" of the boat catches...............but Sid and I did great for the days out.
Most spots past Three Amigos is decent to fish.
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mtgoat666
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don't worry, be happy!
| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
For us its the economy NOB, we just can't afford the trip. We usually make our month plus trip in December with the truck/camper/boat but just to get
to the border from Oregon costs $400 - $500 for fuel, then theres eats etc.... and figuring the round trip it's a good part of our budget.
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drive an econo car -- fuel will be expensive forever more, days of cheap gasoline are gone, it's not politics, it's supply/demand.
| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
Oh ya, whether its Obamney or Robama it won't make any difference until the Partisan BS in the Senate and Congress changes dramatically and our
elected officials start representing the people instead of representing special interests |
did you say partisan BS??? look at what followed you:
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The House (R) since 2010 election has been sending bill after bill to the president to sign to get America working again... The president has signed
nothing... as making things better is counter to his goal of socializing America and making everyone dependent on government food stamps and medical
care... thinking the more we need government, the more secure their jobs are. |
the partisan rhetoric suckers people into believing utter nonsense!
shalom!
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brewer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Brewer,
The Obama crowd has already proven what it can do. |
[Edited on 4-13-2012 by brewer]
[Edited on 4-14-2012 by brewer]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by brewer
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Brewer,
The Obama crowd has already proven what it can do. |
The Bush crowd proved that total idiots can be elected to president. And with that came total idiotic policies. Tax cuts for the rich, 9/11, declare
war on a country with outright lies, private company contracts to run the war, letting Wall st. run unregulated over a cliff. Katrina. etc. lol
Tom DeLay, whoa. Obama had a lot dumped in his lap. With every proposal for change met with stout Republican resistance.
Just saying.
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Sooo...what does that have to do with spending too much money?
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mcfez
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I escape from OT to here? 
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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thebajarunner
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Sorry I started it
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I escape from OT to here? |
Yep, my thread,
but been seriously hijacked
(what else is new on Nomad??)
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Sweetwater
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I would love to spend more time in Baja and especially Baja Sur.
Reality is that the closer to the border you get, the more negative the feedback becomes. USofA pricing is attracting more dollars and the exchange
rate favors Baja. But crime and criminals predominate any conversation about real travel in Mexico. Face the reality that Baja is NOT an extension of
So Cal and begin to deal with the facts that So Cal perceives that many of their problems have drifted from the South.
A sovereign country has it's own politics and rules, it's up to you to decide to accept and abide by them. When the rules break down, then anarchy is
the image that outsiders receive.
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Santiago
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The House (R) since 2010 election has been sending bill after bill to the president to sign to get America working again... The president has signed
nothing... |
I'm racking my brain (now-a-days doesn't take to long, I'll admit) to come up with a single bill that the house has passed in the last 2 years that
would fall under the rubric of "get America working again" that the president has vetoed. If I remember my "I'm-just-a-bill-from-capital hill"
correctly, if the President doesn't sign the bill, it becomes law after so many days - right?
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chuckie
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It amazes me, how some people cant avoid trying to turn everything into a political peeing contest. Must be something in the water where they
live..One of the really good things about living in Mulege, and NOT having TV is that we can avoid most of it...But even here, on a forum supposedly
about Baja, pollution occurs...
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castaway$
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
It amazes me, how some people cant avoid trying to turn everything into a political ******* contest. Must be something in the water where they
live..One of the really good things about living in Mulege, and NOT having TV is that we can avoid most of it...But even here, on a forum supposedly
about Baja, pollution occurs... |
While I don't agree with Hijacking threads (I'm as guilty as the next) I'm
gonna guess you are retired and don't give a rip anymore, not all of us are in that position yet and yes we need to be concerned if we would like to
retire to Baja also. Just say'in
Live Indubiously!
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DavidE
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Is This Subject About Los Bajas Californias Mexico la republica? What? Barak Obama is serving a sexenio as presidente. Well kiss my arse! I really am
out of touch!
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Cypress
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Baja and the USA share much more than a border, political events in the USA have a major impact on Baja. Baja does'nt exist in a vacuum. When the USA
prospers, Baja prospers. When the USA stagnates, Baja stagnates.
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Ateo
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Am I the only one that thinks Baja has a great future ahead of it? I would say there is less poverty in Baja than 15 years ago. More electricity,
better communications, better technology.....
And continuing in the hijack, fox news makes you less informed than watching no tv at all:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/11/22/fox-news-poll/
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shari
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Ateo...I think you are on to something here. "Baja" is a very extensive place and what is true for one region may not hold true for another. I think
people NOB tend to think of Baja from a tourist's prospective and yes tourism is down and this industry is suffering.
But there are a lot of other industries here that are prospering and Ateo is correct that there is much less poverty and improved infrastructure like
better roads, water and electricity, phone, internet etc which has improved life in the remote areas. There is a growing middle class and seems to be
more money in circulation.
Our village is thriving on it's fishery and there are new mexican houses springing up everywhere, people have new vehicles and appliances and money is
being circulated in a vibrant economy...perhaps because this isnt a tourist area. Locals are buying and building houses more in the last few years.
There is also much more mexican tourism now...for example in the whale watching lagoons, there were fewer NOB visitors but many many more mexican
visitors..and the ticket price is the same for all...so there was an increase in visitors this year. Mexico is realizing that national tourism is
vital and they have altered the promotions to reflect this new trend. Changes in client base are normal and mexico is certainly realizing this and
reacting.
While of course I agree that times are tough in many tourist based areas due to the perception of violence peninsula wide...and yes I admit there are
problems with crime more than the old days...but changes are being made to improve the legal system slowly but surely, the place is much cleaner than
the old days, roads are better, infrastructure is better, there is less corruption, and I certainly see a more vibrant economy and more
employment....so I cant really say the future is bleak for Baja at all.
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Ateo
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Exactly Shari.
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castaway$
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I second and third Ateo and Sheri. Baja may be struggling in some ways but we all are. In the 12 years we have been going there the infrastucture has
improved significantly, just look at Mex 1 as an example. We love Baja and we will keep going theres just too many places to explore, too many
beautiful people to meet and too much good food, it gets into your soul.
Live Indubiously!
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