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redhilltown
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I gotta say as just yer every day nomad this has been a cool and interesting thread with both sides stating their views in pretty much a civilized,
mature, and respectful manner.
What the hell is wrong with you people???? 
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
Hola,.... there is fish this year..but the future is looking bleak !!! and the fishing all over the world,well...nevermind..too depressing
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Ya....get yer sushi while ya can...
Don't believe everything you think....
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Maybe we will with a new House of Representatives. |
I think we are talking about the planet....not just the USA...
Don't believe everything you think....
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Maybe we will with a new House of Representatives. |
I think we are talking about the planet....not just the USA... |
Absolutely --- it is all about the planet that we all share, but maybe with a New House of Representatives in the US, we can join with other countries
who are understand that we share this planet and are concerned. The current leadership in the House is controlled by their wacko fringe who would
like to do away with all regulations, including the EPA. And they really don't give a rip about the rest of the world -- it all about the USA.
Thus, since the US is a major player in pollution, consumption, and power, having our House run by people who believe in science might just help.
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Cypress
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From what I gather, if we don't elect democrats to house seats the planet is doomed. Those nasty 'ole republicans don't care about the environment or
believe in science. Yep, democrats will solve all our problems.
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rts551
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Just read today where N Korea is going to do some whale "research"
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
From what I gather, if we don't elect democrats to house seats the planet is doomed. Those nasty 'ole republicans don't care about the environment or
believe in science. Yep, democrats will solve all our problems.
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Right. We need more on food stamps and more unemployment and more debt. That will make the planet much greener. California and the nation has been
told they don't have their quota on food stamps and need to canvas for more recipients. Fewer people on the road going to work, less pollution, more
votes for the Dems. Win, win situation.
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shari
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just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right
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SFandH
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Many people, like myself and the Sea Shepard folks, view the killing of whales as murder. Whalers are violating the fundamental right
to live freely, which extends to all species. The reasoning for this point of view is expressed by the arguments for extending human rights to
animals.
Speciesism is an ugly form of discrimination that brings pain and suffering and death to the unfortunate beings that fall subject to it.
Many people think it should stop and are willing to break laws to shed light upon the issue. Unlawful activism does get people's attention, as
evidenced by this thread.
Here's a powerful hour long video about the subject
[Edited on 7-6-2012 by SFandH]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
The actions of Sea Shepard should be directed to changing the laws in a legal manner rather than infringing illegally upon the rights of others.
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many laws and "legal actions" are so grossly wrong that they must be fought by all means (slavery, authoritarianism, apartheid, whaling, etc.).
slaughtering whales is wrong, and past 50 years of illegal activities have achieved fabulous success in eliminating whaling, but the war is not yet
over. japan and norway and a few other countries continue to say FU to the world, and those countries need to be stopped by all means. if people had
followed legal avenues, there would be many fewer whale species today. anyone who defends rights of whalers is a cruel fool.
there is no sane person in USA that thinks japan has a valid "right" to continue whaling. cisco, your defense of japanese slaughter is repugnant!
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jbcoug
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I hope a number of the above posters don't fish or consume sealife, otherwise we have a lot of hypocracy going on.
John
\"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person.\" Andy Rooney
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jbcoug
I hope a number of the above posters don't fish or consume sealife, otherwise we have a lot of hypocracy going on.
John |
I only eat plants.
[Edited on 7-6-2012 by SFandH]
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bigmike58
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jbcoug
I hope a number of the above posters don't fish or consume sealife, otherwise we have a lot of hypocracy going on.
John |
 Those are fighting words!! LOL
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
The actions of Sea Shepard should be directed to changing the laws in a legal manner rather than infringing illegally upon the rights of others.
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many laws and "legal actions" are so grossly wrong that they must be fought by all means (slavery, authoritarianism, apartheid, whaling, etc.).
slaughtering whales is wrong, and past 50 years of illegal activities have achieved fabulous success in eliminating whaling, but the war is not yet
over. japan and norway and a few other countries continue to say FU to the world, and those countries need to be stopped by all means. if people had
followed legal avenues, there would be many fewer whale species today. anyone who defends rights of whalers is a cruel fool.
there is no sane person in USA that thinks japan has a valid "right" to continue whaling. cisco, your defense of japanese slaughter is repugnant!
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Goat----------take off your blinders, and stop making grossly untrue statements!!! Cisco in no way is "defending Japanese slaughter of Whales", as he
has stated several times---------he appears to be defending the "rule of law", a worthy endeavor IMO.
I too find the killing of whales repugnant, but civilized folks use laws to stop unjust things, not terrorism. Terrorists will reap what they
sew--------.
Barry
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jbcoug
I hope a number of the above posters don't fish or consume sealife, otherwise we have a lot of hypocracy going on.
John |
spoken like a true ignoramus! congratulations on your ignorance! 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
The actions of Sea Shepard should be directed to changing the laws in a legal manner rather than infringing illegally upon the rights of others.
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many laws and "legal actions" are so grossly wrong that they must be fought by all means (slavery, authoritarianism, apartheid, whaling, etc.).
slaughtering whales is wrong, and past 50 years of illegal activities have achieved fabulous success in eliminating whaling, but the war is not yet
over. japan and norway and a few other countries continue to say FU to the world, and those countries need to be stopped by all means. if people had
followed legal avenues, there would be many fewer whale species today. anyone who defends rights of whalers is a cruel fool.
there is no sane person in USA that thinks japan has a valid "right" to continue whaling. cisco, your defense of japanese slaughter is repugnant!
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Goat----------take off your blinders, and stop making grossly untrue statements!!! Cisco in no way is "defending Japanese slaughter of Whales", as he
has stated several times---------he appears to be defending the "rule of law", a worthy endeavor IMO.
I too find the killing of whales repugnant, but civilized folks use laws to stop unjust things, not terrorism. Terrorists will reap what they
sew--------.
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you guys continue to sit on your bloody hands. i applaud the people doing whatever it takes to stop the slaughter.
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rts551
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Many of you don't seem to realize it is ILLEGAL to kill whales! Unless, Of course, unless it is for research. So what Japan and a few others do is
kill whales to see what they are/were eating. The byproduct of the research is then sent home for processing rather than waste it.
Sounds real ethical doesn't it.
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I too find the killing of whales repugnant, but civilized folks use laws to stop unjust things, not terrorism. Terrorists will reap what they
sew--------.
Barry |
We just celebrated July 4th. The date in 1776 when 56? people signed the Declaration of Independence. An act of treason under the laws they were
governed by.
Terrorists, eh?
These anti-whaling activists are fighting to save lives, not take them as terrorists do.
[Edited on 7-6-2012 by SFandH]
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
Oh Sancho. They are totally legal and doing what commercial fishermen do to make a legal living.
You have a problem with that take it up with the IWC. |
As pointed out good discussion, Cisco you did force me
into a little research, and it APPEARS that the International
Community signs off on no whaling, while the few nations
you attempt to defend as within their rights looks like
it doesn't hold water, looks like you batting average is slipping, and thanks for the Oh Sancho, kinda heartwarming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Whaling_Commissio...
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rts551
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You mean this guy is just helping to enforce the law? Kinda like Arizona helping out the feds?
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