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I would stay away from Magnesium or Potassium supplements. If you are having an arrhythmia, you need to see a Doctor. They will analyze your
electrolytes and adjust them accordingly. Too much potassium or magnesium could have devastating consequences. | Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I will certainly look into the magnesium supplements ... sure is an easy solution.
Never did I guess that I should have asked for medical input/info on this forum 4 years ago when Les had his first episode of rapid heartbeat. It was
one of the scariest times as neither of us had any knowledge at all about what was going on !
His heart muscle is fine but the arryhthmia (sp?) bothers him no end. We have been told that many people have A-fib and live their whole lives Ok
with it. For Les, it causes extreme tiredness, with the first bout (when we were in Europe), he would wake up gasping for air. It was so horrible
that he took regular 1 a.m. or 3 a.m. walks, came home and slept better.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I would stay away from Magnesium or Potassium supplements. If you are having an arrhythmia, you need to see a Doctor. They will analyze your
electrolytes and adjust them accordingly. Too much potassium or magnesium could have devastating consequences. | Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I will certainly look into the magnesium supplements ... sure is an easy solution.
Never did I guess that I should have asked for medical input/info on this forum 4 years ago when Les had his first episode of rapid heartbeat. It was
one of the scariest times as neither of us had any knowledge at all about what was going on !
His heart muscle is fine but the arryhthmia (sp?) bothers him no end. We have been told that many people have A-fib and live their whole lives Ok
with it. For Les, it causes extreme tiredness, with the first bout (when we were in Europe), he would wake up gasping for air. It was so horrible
that he took regular 1 a.m. or 3 a.m. walks, came home and slept better.
thanks all. |
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There seems to be a fear factor you like to spread with your posts. I've personally heard several doctors suggesting magnesium supplements as well as
reading a good bit about it.
"Magnesium is a mineral that is present in relatively large amounts in the body. Researchers estimate that the average person’s body contains about 25
grams of magnesium, and about half of that is in the bones. Magnesium is important in more than 300 chemical reactions that keep the body working
properly. People get magnesium from their diet, but sometimes magnesium supplements are needed if magnesium levels are too low. Dietary intake of
magnesium may be low, particularly among women.
An easy way to remember foods that are good magnesium sources is to think fiber. Foods that are high in fiber are generally high in magnesium. Dietary
sources of magnesium include legumes, whole grains, vegetables (especially broccoli, squash, and green leafy vegetables), seeds, and nuts (especially
almonds). Other sources include dairy products, meats, chocolate, and coffee. Water with a high mineral content, or “hard” water, is also a source of
magnesium.
People take magnesium to prevent or treat magnesium deficiency. Magnesium deficiency is not uncommon in the US. It’s particularly common among African
Americans and the elderly.
Magnesium is also used as a laxative for constipation and for preparation of the bowel for surgical or diagnostic procedures. It is also used as an
antacid for acid indigestion.
Some people use magnesium for diseases of the heart and blood vessels including chest pain, irregular heartbeat, high blood pressure, high levels of
“bad” cholesterol called low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, low levels of “good” cholesterol called high-density lipoprotein (HDL)
cholesterol, heart valve disease (mitral valve prolapse), and heart attack.
Magnesium is also used for treating attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), anxiety, chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), Lyme disease,
fibromyalgia, leg cramps during pregnancy, diabetes, kidney stones, migraineheadaches, weak bones (osteoporosis), premenstrual syndrome (PMS),
altitude sickness, urinary incontinence, restless leg syndrome, asthma, hayfever, multiple sclerosis, and for preventing hearing loss.
Athletes sometimes use magnesium to increase energy and endurance.
Some people put magnesium on their skin to treat infected skin ulcers, boils, and carbuncles; and to speed up wound healing. Magnesium is also used as
a cold compress in the treatment of a severe skin infection caused by strep bacteria (erysipelas) and as a hot compress for deep-seated skin
infections.
Some companies that manufacturer magnesium/calcium combination supplements promote a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio as being ideal for absorption of these elements.
However, there is no credible research to support this claim. Claims that coral calcium products have ideal combinations of magnesium and calcium to
cure a variety of diseases and conditions are being carefully evaluated by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and US Federal Trade Commission
(FTC).
How does it work?
Magnesium is required for the proper growth and maintenance of bones. Magnesium is also required for the proper function of nerves, muscles, and many
other parts of the body. In the stomach, magnesium helps neutralize stomach acid and moves stools through the intestine.
Magnesium is LIKELY SAFE for most people when taken by mouth or when the prescription-only, injectable product is used correctly. In some people,
magnesium might cause stomach upset, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and other side effects.
Doses less than 350 mg per day are safe for most adults. When taken in very large amounts, magnesium is POSSIBLY UNSAFE.
Large doses might cause too much magnesium to build up in the body, causing serious side effects including an irregular heartbeat, low blood pressure,
confusion, slowed breathing, coma, and death.
Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Magnesium is LIKELY SAFE for pregnant or breast-feeding women when taken by mouth in the amounts recommended. These
amounts depend on the age of the woman. Check with your healthcare provider to find out what amounts are right for you.
Heart block: High doses of magnesium (typically delivered by IV) should not be given to people with heart block.
Kidney problems, such as kidney failure: Kidneys that don’t work well have trouble clearing magnesium from the body. Taking extra magnesium can cause
magnesium to build up to dangerous levels. Don’t take magnesium if you have kidney problems."
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My cardiologist Rx'd me "Mag Oxide". I did not mean to imply someone should run out and start swallowing hand fulls of it. But I did have to
specifically bring up the point of me having low levels of blood magnesium before magnesium ever entered my cardiac treatment regimen. This disturbs
me. I like to prevent stuff. Like how to not fall into a campfire rather than dwell over what is the best burn ointment, so to speak.
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Yes, but your cardiologist checked the levels apparently before David. No one should take a supplement without having the levels checked. My son is
on a 30 banana a day diet (crazy I know). But I have even told him to get his electrolytes checked. You tend to run low on Magnesium, so a
supplement is good for you. Magnesium and potassium are very dangerous in excess as well as in deficit. | Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
My cardiologist Rx'd me "Mag Oxide". I did not mean to imply someone should run out and start swallowing hand fulls of it. But I did have to
specifically bring up the point of me having low levels of blood magnesium before magnesium ever entered my cardiac treatment regimen. This disturbs
me. I like to prevent stuff. Like how to not fall into a campfire rather than dwell over what is the best burn ointment, so to speak.
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How long have you worked in hospitals, JZ? I have seen many complications, so sorry if I am a bit wary. I am generally pretty open minded about
treatments. So no, I don't have a fear factor. I have my well grounded opinions as a result of many years of working in the hospital. I have said
it, and will say it again. If your magnesium and potassium levels are normal, don't mess with a supplement. You are getting all you need from your
diet, which is the most natural and best way to get vitamins and minerals. If its low, don't play doctor. Find out the dose you need and take it as
prescribed. As far as a vitamin or mineral tablet or 2 a day, go ahead, knock yourself out.
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I have had two open heart surgeries for valve replacements. Eight heart attacks, three small strokes, afib and a host of other things. While I don't
have alot of energy anymore, I still go to Mexico and fish when I feel okay. I take about 18 different medicines per day just to stay alive.
Speaking of the camera down the throat---they did that four times to look at the valve before and after surgery. I had no sore throat or after
effects. Now I know what Linda Lovelace went through to make the movie. So buck up and don't worrry---after all, you are still here. Good luck in
the future and stay healthy.
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TEE
This procedure is called TEE, or Transesophageal Ecocardiogram
Here is a great clip on You Tube that explains the procedure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Us9mXXILSk
Also another clip that explains Cardioversion for Atrial Fibrillation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSusgpskmzk
| Quote: | Originally posted by capn.sharky
I have had two open heart surgeries for valve replacements. Eight heart attacks, three small strokes, afib and a host of other things. While I don't
have alot of energy anymore, I still go to Mexico and fish when I feel okay. I take about 18 different medicines per day just to stay alive.
Speaking of the camera down the throat---they did that four times to look at the valve before and after surgery. I had no sore throat or after
effects. Now I know what Linda Lovelace went through to make the movie. So buck up and don't worrry---after all, you are still here. Good luck in
the future and stay healthy. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have said it, and will say it again. If your magnesium and potassium levels are normal, don't mess with a supplement. You are getting all you
need from your diet, which is the most natural and best way to get vitamins and minerals. If its low, don't play doctor. Find out the dose you need
and take it as prescribed. As far as a vitamin or mineral tablet or 2 a day, go ahead, knock yourself out. |
I've read that it's difficult for tests to accuractly test for magnesium deficiency, and the risk of the supplements is low. So I disagree with your
advice of telling people to not give it a shot and I know other doctors disagree as well.
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JZ as I mentioned before, I worked on a cardiac floor and the number one test for electrolytes is potassium followed by magnesium. The magnesium lab
draw is extremely reliable as well as accurate and magnesium protocols are implemented on many cardiac floors. I personally have seen patients with
low magnesium level that had to have IV infusions to replace the magnesium. What ever doctor has told you to go ahead with magnesium supplements
without testing I would like a reference please. | Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have said it, and will say it again. If your magnesium and potassium levels are normal, don't mess with a supplement. You are getting all you
need from your diet, which is the most natural and best way to get vitamins and minerals. If its low, don't play doctor. Find out the dose you need
and take it as prescribed. As far as a vitamin or mineral tablet or 2 a day, go ahead, knock yourself out. |
I've read that it's difficult for tests to accuractly test for magnesium deficiency, and the risk of the supplements is low. So I disagree with your
advice of telling people to not give it a shot and I know other doctors disagree as well.
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Doctors above your qualifications.
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I don't understand your question. | Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
Doctors above your qualifications. |
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Your traveling a very rough road some of us don't care to travel that road, Ensenada DR, Has posted some very informative info and I for one
appreciate it because when you have these problems its best to be informed and then you make your own decisions.
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JZ:
You are putting yourself into a HIGH AND MIGHTY pedestal.
That is uncalled for in this forum.
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Doctors above your qualifications. |
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It makes very good sense IMO to get tested for magnesium before embarking on a self-prescribed addition to one's diet. I think an overdose of
almost ANYTHING can be harmful - even too much drinking of water.
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If you google Magnesium you can find where it comes from in foods, I personally would not even get tested because I eat many of the foods that contain
Magnesium. Of course everyone has to make their own decision
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The only reason some get tested for a Magnesium level is because they have a cardiac arrhythmia and most cardiologists will do a quick check to see if
the electrolytes are out of balance which can be the cause of the problem. Other than that, there is no need to test.
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I take Hawthorne berry for irregular heartbeat as needed. Check it out.
Medicinal Uses and Indications:
Hawthorn is used to help protect against heart disease and help control high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Both animal and human studies
suggest hawthorn increases coronary artery blood flow, improves circulation, and lowers blood pressure. It has also been used on the skin to treat
boils and skin sores.
Heart failure
Hawthorn has been studied in people with heart failure (a condition in which the heart is unable to pump enough blood to other organs in the body),
but more studies are needed to understand how effective it may be. A number of studies conclude that hawthorn significantly improved heart function.
Studies also suggest the herb can enhance a person's ability to exercise following heart failure. Participants in studies have reported that hawthorn
significantly improved symptoms of the disease (such as shortness of breath and fatigue). One study found that hawthorn extract (900 mg/day) taken for
2 months was as effective as low doses of captopril (a prescription heart medication) in improving symptoms of heart failure.
A large study found that a standardized hawthorn supplement was effective in 952 patients with heart failure. The study compared conventional methods
of treating heart failure (with different medications) with hawthorn alone and in addition to the drugs. After 2 years, the clinical symptoms of heart
failure (palpitations, breathing problems, and fatigue) decreased significantly in the patients taking the hawthorn supplement. People taking hawthorn
also took less medication for their condition.
Heart failure is a serious condition, and you should never try to self treat with hawthorn. Ask your doctor if hawthorn is right for you.
Chest pain (Angina)
Preliminary evidence suggests hawthorn may help combat chest pain (angina), which is caused by low blood flow to the heart. In one early study, 60
people with angina were given either 180 mg/day of hawthorn berry leaf flower extract or placebo for 3 weeks. Those who received hawthorn experienced
improved blood flow to the heart and were also able to exercise for longer periods of time without suffering from chest pain. However, more studies
are needed to say for sure whether hawthorn is effective.
High blood pressure
Although hawthorn has not been studied specifically in people with high blood pressure, some people think its benefits in treating heart disease may
carry over to treating high blood pressure (hypertension). However, so far not enough research has been done to say whether hawthorn is effective at
lowering blood pressure -- and if so, by how much.
In one study, hawthorn extract was found to be effective for hypertension in people with type 2 diabetes who were also taking prescribed medicines.
Participants took 1,200 mg hawthorn extract daily or placebo for 16 weeks. Those taking hawthorn had lower blood pressure than those taking the
placebo.
You should talk with your doctor before taking hawthorn if you have high blood pressure.
Available Forms:
Hawthorn is available in nonstandardized and standardized capsules and liquid extracts, along with tinctures and solid extracts. A bitter tasting tea
can also be made from dried hawthorn leaves, flowers, and berries.
Read more: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/hawthorn-000256.htm#ixzz2...
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Interesting to be sure. The read suggests it has some potent effects. A lot of medicines were and are based on plant extracts. So the extract is
indeed a medicine of one sort or another. It would be nice to see results of a randomized double-blind study of Hawthorne extract in comparison with
placebo and other common medicines such as diltiazem/verapamil, and metoprolol. Myself, I'd like to balance possible efficacy benefits, against drug
interactions, and side-effects before I would consider taking it.
Thanks for sharing. I have bookmarked the site 
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Dr you dont have to understand the question JZ made a very bad insult to your person
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It's ok, Tim, I didn't take it personally. JZ seems like an intelligent person and we are all entitled to our opinion. The only thing I ask is that
if he is quoting a source or a physician, I'd like the link. I already gave him my qualifications in this thread, so I thought he was asking for
someone else's qualifications.
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