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Hi David,
I think I'll try to name the Misions on your cover:
1.) San Fernando Velicata
2.) San Javier
3.) San Luis Rey
4.) San Ignacio
5.) Santisimo Rosario (West of town)
6.) San Diego
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera
Looking forward to the book!!
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Is this Kevin? New handle? Great to see you here!!
6 out of 7 are correct...!!!
#3 is an older photo of another Alta California mission... HINT: it is California Mission #31 (San Luis Rey is #43).
Here are the other correct answers and their position in the list of California missions:
1.) San Fernando Velicata #18
2.) San Javier #2
3.) San Luis Rey X (wrong)
4.) San Ignacio #11
5.) Rosario #24
6.) San Diego #19
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera #32
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Here is a map of the missions to the north...in "Old California"
Good Luck with the new book David...
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin (1759)
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Thanks Kris... that is actually "New" California... The peninsula is "Old" California!
Here is the mission locator map for New or Alta California... The numbers are the mission numbers as they were founded 1-48... so you can see that the
missions were NOT built in sequence from south to north as we were perhaps once told in school...
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NEW BOOK NOW FOR SALE, AVAILABLE THIS OCTOBER
For ordering details, please see our ad in the Baja Nomad Classified forums... HERE:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=62335
[Edited on 9-8-2012 by David K]
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The book's web site has a new look... check it out: http://oldmissions.com
I am very excited that we are about to release the very first copies and they are going to Baja California officials at CAREM in Tecate. The Governor
of Baja California will be receiving one of the first copies.
Thanks for your interest and support of this project to show the California Missions as they were actually founded from Loreto and outward... from
1697 to 1834.
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On the website http://oldmissions.com you can put your mouse on the book cover and see the back cover, it is a new back cover as of Sept. 18.
We are on FACEBOOK! Come on over and "LIKE" the book! : http://www.facebook.com/oldmissions
Thank you very much!
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The cover photos of missions:
BajaOkie got the closest guess:
1.) San Fernando Velicata #18
2.) San Javier #2
3.) ?
4.) San Ignacio #11
5.) Rosario #24
6.) San Diego #19
7.) San Miguel Arcangel de Frontera #32
Photo #3 on the book cover is an historic photo of Mission Santa Barbara #31.
See the book ad... and don't missing getting it with free shipping and no added tax by ordering before Oct. 1!
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Would like it if I could get Baja Nomads to take a quick look at our Facebook page and 'Like' it... I may be posting some views of the book there...
but I need to know our customer base will be looking for it, so have a peak: http://www.facebook.com/oldmissions and Like us when you come in. If I get 40 likes, I will give you a tease of the inside of the book! There
already is 21 Likes now... Thank you for your support!
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Mission T-Shirts from Max
When Max came up with the boxes of new books, he also surprised me with this new t-shirt featuring the photos of all 48 missions. The 27 in Baja, on
one side.... and the 21 in Alta on the other! On the sleeves are the flags of Spain and Mexico as they were most of the years during the mission
period.
Would this be something we should produce? If we do market them (and other spin-offs from the new book), I will post an ad in the Baja Nomad ads
forums.
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already bought my copy(book) and also LIKE the shirt on FB..
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Thanks José... Seems a few Nomads like the tee shirt! At least from the response on our Facebook page http://facebook.com/oldmissions
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Our web host (Dick Van Bree, electraweb.com) has added a zoom in version of the 1757 Jesuit map to the bottom of our web page... North and South
halves of 'California' as it was known about 1747 and published in 1757... All the missions active in 1747 are shown, plus three 'started' missions
beyond San Ignacio (San Juan Bautista in the Santa Clara mountains near Punta Abreojos, Dolores del Norte which became Santa Gertrudis, and Santa
Maria Magdalena which could be these ruins: http://vivabaja.com/109 ) Have a look at them, bottom of page: http://oldmissions.com
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Book & T-shirt
Great work David & Max & Erline.It's nice to see all your hard work culminate in a "hard" document, not just a bunch of electrons flying
through cyberspace. Nice T-shirt also.
I like that it's handbook size, intended as q quick-reference guise rather than a detailed tome (since there are whole libraries dedicated to those
details), and that maps & literary citation are provided for further reference.
I'm only on #11, San Ignacio but continue to read a bit each, reminiscing about my own visits to both Alta & Baja sites.
I'll get you a copy of the (fairly complex) Google Earth Baja KML that I created a few years back, shortly. Something has gone horribly wrong with it
(as a compressed KMZ file) and it bombs out GE --- I can neither open to edit the file, nor update it. Did you receive a copy of the Alta KMZ file via
e-mail that I sent you?
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.â€
-Mark Twain
Samuel Langhorne Clemens (November 30, 1835 – April 21, 1910)
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Thanks for the nice review Bryan... yes, I have your email... been a bit occupied so haven't opened the file yet. What I am looking for is just a
step-by-step flow chart of how to make my own GE map that is not connected with the one already on my PC. You do such nice ones and so I thought I
would ask you for the quick version! Thank you!
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Baja KML file fixed
I'll send you via private e-mail the repaired KML file for Baja Missions; it took about 20 iterations and manual editing using a text editor to get
the bad HTML coding out; about 6 hours work. But better than re-creating from scratch.
As far as creating your own, especially if you are going to share your creation, you need to remember that as you link to objects (maps, images,
website URL's, etc), the object must be "out there" on the Internet. Then the rest is simple coding to retrieve it into your creation.
Here is a sample for one of the "credits" placemark within the larger KML file. See if you can follow the text. It's pretty straight-forward:
<img src="http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/187955_488104201199887_1102680592_n.jpg"><br><br>
<b> Thanks to following persons, companies, groups, publications & websites for their information (text, images, maps, references,
locations, links, etc.) ... </b><br><br>
<a href="http://www.discoverbajacalifornia.com/missions/route.htm"> iscover
Baja California.com</a> ... <a href="http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=22679">California State Parks Service (Mexico Missions)</a>
... <a href="http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=22722">California State Parks Service (California Missions)</a> ... <a
href="http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/77winter/bajaroad.htm">The San Diego Historical Society</a> ... <a
href="http://www.bajamission.com/baja_missions.html">ave Werschkul / Saints and
Demons in a Desert Wilderness</a> ... <a href="http://www.questconnect.org/baja_california_missions.htm">Adventure Learning Foundation
1</a> ... <a href="http://www.questconnect.org/baja_gps.htm">Adventure Learning Foundation 2</a> ... <a
href="http://www.davidksbaja.com/bajamissions">Jack Swords, Kevin Clough, Robert Jackson, and David Kier</a> ... <a
href="http://www.timsbaja.com">Timothy Walker</a> ... <a href="http://www.baja-almanac.com">Baja Almanac Publishers</a> ... <a
href="http://www.moon.com">Joe Cummings, Moon Handbooks 'Baja'</a>
Formatting color, alignment, bold, etc are simply done with tags: <b> or </b> for bold-on, bold-off.
Once it's made, you can angle the view and snapshot it, elevate the placemark into the sky with a line down to it, etc.
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You are going to have to convert all that html into something I can see... Let's discuss this in another thread or in email... Thank you for your
help!
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More and Color Photos!
BAJACAT (José) had made a good request... for color photos of the missions.
While there are 7 color photos on the book cover (5 Baja missions and 2 Alta missions)... color on the 96 pages for each of the 48 missions is not
financially possible in this book, plus pages for the maps, flags, and other illustrations in the book.
The solution!: Our book's Facebook page is growing and I have started adding more photos, both old and new and most are in color! Also, already there
are the flags that may have flown on the peninsula during the mission period as well as the coat of arms for the three Catholic Orders who founded the
48 missions.
As of today, I have added several photos for the first 8 missions in an album of its own... Please have a look and remember to click the 'Like' button
for the web page and any of the other entries you enjoy there, thank you!
HERE: https://www.facebook.com/oldmissions
Web site: http://oldmissions.com
[Edited on 10-16-2012 by David K]
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http://facebook.com/oldmissions
On our book's Facebook page I have added over 50 photos of the just the first 15 California missions, so far. In addition, I just posted my latest
research on the exact dates missions were founded in Baja California... I have the 17 Jesuit mission dates and the 1 Franciscan date posted, and will
be adding the 9 Dominican missions next.
Thanks for checking the Facebook page out!
[Edited on 10-19-2012 by David K]
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It has been nearly 5 months since I spent any time on this thread, that was started before the book was published... I have mostly talked about book
purchasing, over in the Nomads Classified Ads forum.
The book is now in its second edition, and we just ordered more copies as we get ready to start Power Point (slide) shows at various clubs and
locations. Please go to the book's Facebook page for locations and dates once I get them from Max. Mission San Luis Rey here in Oceanside just bought
the last dozen I had for their gift shop... so I need more for PayPal and CC orders that I ship to. Max sends books to anyone who mails a check to the
P.O. box at http://oldmissions.com
Facebook 'Likes' have surpassed 100, so please continue to 'Like' the page itself when you visit it.. that helps spread the word! http://facebook.com/oldmissions
In the book are all 48 of the California missions founded by three Catholic Orders (Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans). The 48 missions today are
located in 3 states of 2 countries that make up 'California'.
Unlike most books on California missions, we don't limit how many missions are included in it because of some line drawn many years after the missions
were built. Even by the time Spain separated Alta and Baja California into two districts on March 26, 1804, 43 of the 48 missions had already been
founded. The final two missions were actually founded after Mexico won its independence from Spain. California (Baja and Alta) were just so remote,
the Spanish sponsored Padres were allowed to continue with their activities to create civilization.
Each of the 48 missions, shown in chronological, order has an information page and a page of photos. The references pages are divided into books about
California's Baja missions and books about Alta missions to help you learn more, should you be inclined. Maps, using the mission number (Loreto = #1
for example), show you where in today's three states of California the missions were placed. This further helps understand that there was no regular
order or location as in from south to north for establishing a mission. We do use the full name for each mission as confirmed by multiple sources, and
in the index of missions in the book, we use bold text on the part of the name that is commonly used today.
The data for each mission is brief to answer the most common questions and to make finding those answers quick and easy using the contents or index
pages. We give the who, what, when, where and some of the why for each mission and a short bit of trivia on many.
The photos of each mission site also include some old photos or photos of alternate sites, as about half the missions moved one or more times.
One thing different between the three Orders was their record keeping. While the Jesuits wrote many reports or letters, which are great reading, still
the founding dates of many of their 17 missions was limited to only the year or the month and year on many. Perhaps the full dates will be found or
they are just not in any of the many books I have, or I missed seeing them? The Franciscans were good record keepers with their 22 missions and we
have full dates for all of their missions. The Dominicans founded 9 mission, and 6 have full dates recorded.
I will use common names in this list of full founding dates (just the Baja missions here):
LORETO 10/25/1697
SAN JAVIER 11/1/1699
LIGUI 11/?/1705
MULEGE 11/?/1705
COMONDU ?/?/1708
LA PURISIMA 1/1/1720
LA PAZ 11/3/1720
GUADALUPE 12/12/1720
DOLORES 8/?/1721 8/2/1721
SANTIAGO ?/?/1724
SAN IGNACIO 1/20/28
SAN JOSE DEL CABO 4/?/1730 4/8/1730
SANTA ROSA (TODOS SANTOS) ?/?/1733 8/?/1733
SAN LUIS GONZAGA ?/?/1737 7/14/1737
SANTA GERTRUDIS 7/15/1752
SAN BORJA 9/1/1762
SANTA MARIA (at CALAMAJUE) 10/16/1766
SAN FERNANDO 5/14/1769
EL ROSARIO 7/?/1774 7/24/1774
SANTO DOMINGO 8/30/1775
SAN VICENTE 8/27/1780
SAN MIGUEL 3/28/1787
SANTO TOMAS 4/24/1791
SAN PEDRO MARTIR 4/27/1794
SANTA CATALINA 11/12/1797
EL DESCANSO ?/?/1817 ?/?/1809-1810
GUADALUPE 6/?/1834 6/25/1834
I am sharing this in hopes a Baja Nomad may have some better data than I to fill in where I have question marks above! Thank you as the quest for
knowledge continues!
In the book we mostly just deal with the year of founding for the Baja missions, and only Santa Gertrudis was there some dispute between one author
and all others, saying Retz founded it in 1751, all others don't even have Retz in California that year. Consag, working out of San Ignacio, actually
found the location (he named it La Piedad) and began building there in advance of Retz' arrival to make it official.
Okay, so there's a dose of history for today!
Thank you!!
[Edited on 9-12-2015 by David K]
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Founding Dates of the Missions in Baja California
Over the past 2.5 years since this thread was last active continued discoveries have helped update the information a little more on the dates the 27
Baja missions were founded.
Those with ? marks remain unknown and I welcome any findings any of you have to fill the list!
Changes from the previous list are in bold.
LORETO 10/25/1697
SAN JAVIER 11/1/1699
LIGUI 11/?/1705
MULEGE 11/?/1705
COMONDU ?/?/1708
LA PURISIMA 1/1/1720
LA PAZ 11/3/1720
GUADALUPE 12/12/1720
DOLORES 8/?/1721 8/2/1721
SANTIAGO ?/?/1724
SAN IGNACIO 1/20/28
SAN JOSE DEL CABO 4/?/1730 4/8/1730
SANTA ROSA (TODOS SANTOS) ?/?/1733 8/?/1733
SAN LUIS GONZAGA ?/?/1737 7/14/1737
SANTA GERTRUDIS 7/15/1752
SAN BORJA 9/1/1762
SANTA MARIA (at CALAMAJUE) 10/16/1766
SAN FERNANDO 5/14/1769
EL ROSARIO 7/?/1774 7/24/1774
SANTO DOMINGO 8/30/1775
SAN VICENTE 8/27/1780
SAN MIGUEL 3/28/1787
SANTO TOMAS 4/24/1791
SAN PEDRO MARTIR 4/27/1794
SANTA CATALINA 11/12/1797
EL DESCANSO ?/?/1817 ?/?/1809-1810*
GUADALUPE 6/?/1834 6/25/1834
*This is the date that San Miguel was moved to El Descanso. In 1830, new mission buildings were constructed. It is in dispute if Descanso was a
separate mission or just another location for San Miguel. Santa Catalina was the final Spanish authorized mission in Baja California.
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