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Leo
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Does anyone have current experience at obtaining Residente permanente status in the La Paz office? (Have had FM3 for many years)
Where do I start, webpage to print the application form etc.
What else to bring and how much money.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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RnR
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Leo
Does anyone have current experience at obtaining Residente permanente status in the La Paz office? (Have had FM3 for many years)
Where do I start, webpage to print the application form etc.
What else to bring and how much money. |
Experience from 3 weeks ago:
It doesn't matter how many cumulative years that you have on an FM3, (or FM2), only whether or not the back of your current card says "Prorroga 4".
"Prorroga 4" means the fourth renewal.
Went to the La Paz office with my wife. I have had an FM3 for 6 years. (5 years on the original FM3 and one year on the current FM3, therefore
Prorroga 0).) My wife has 5 years on her first FM3, therefore Prorroga 4).
They looked at the back of her card, pointed to the "Prorroga 4", nodded their heads, and accepted her for permanent resident.
The same guy looked at mine, pointed at "Prorroga 0", and told me that I had to be a temporary resident for four more years and that when I reached
"Prorroga 4", they would accept me for a permanent resident.
Bottom line - you have to be in the fifth year of your latest/current FM3. Nothing else counts!
Website: http://www.inm.gob.mx/
Cost:
Permanent Resident - $3815 MXN
Temporary Resident for four more years - about $7400 MXN then $3815 MXN for the permanent resident card for a grand total of over $10,000 MXN.
Something doesn't seem right here but that's what happened three weeks ago. Both applications are currently being processed and immigration says that
they should be ready in another week.
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Hook
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RnR's experience pretty much matches mine at the Guaymas, Sonora office.
IF it is feasible for you to turn in your FM3 and go back to an FMM at a border crossing (generally, you cant apply for an FMM at an INM office away
from the border), you can then proceed to a Mexican consulate in the States and apply directly for a Permanente. That really doesnt seem fair to many
of us who are in the midst of their FM3 prorroga track.
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Leo
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Thanks RnR for your detailed response.
Looks like we are screwed. 4 years on the old FM3 and the new card says 'prorroga 1' That's 5 years to me; going 6 with the new application.
I don't like beign milked like that. We spend enough money around in Baja to be welcomed with open arms.
Not sure if it is smart as property owner to go back to 'Tourist' status with a 24 dollar permit for 6 months. (6 months is all we can stay anyway as
Canadians)
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Leo
Thanks RnR for your detailed response.
Looks like we are screwed. 4 years on the old FM3 and the new card says 'prorroga 1' That's 5 years to me; going 6 with the new application.
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This is crazy. We share your situation --- from 5 years on the old and 1 on the new. Next trip down we will stop at our immigration office in GN and
see what they say.
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I'm new to this stuff so help me out here. I flipped my 'No Imigrante' card over and I have the the coveted 'Prorroga 4'. I'm up for renewal next
month. If I understand this thread correctly, I could go for an 'Inmigrante' for $3185 pesos and then not have an annual renewal fee. Is this right?
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First off let me say this is just crazy, if you are in any year but year 4, 9, 14 etc... you can not apply for permanent residente. While I accept
that this is what INM agents in Mexico are saying, it's my reading there is much more nuance since there are many paths clearly defined toward
Residente Permanente. Apparently the applicants don't meet any of those qualifications, or fail to note their qualifications.
As noted, it was suggested that to change levels one must leave and apply in the USA, therefore most people with an FM-3 or FM-2 are directed to
Residente Temporal when applying in Mexico while the result may different in the USA at Mexican consulates. Apparently INM associates in Mexico are
instructed to not make decisions about changing levels.
If you have more qualifications among those noted in the documentation then bring the documentation of those qualifications and make your case. For
example if you have more than the required investment, savings, income or qualify through with the points system. Otherwise condisider if it's worth
it to apply at your home Mexican Consul.
Either way it's unfortunate that once again things couldn't be more confoundng, costly and time consuming in Mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Apparently INM associates in Mexico are instructed to not make decisions about changing levels.
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You have got to be kidding, Paul. These various Fiefdoms seem to be writing their own book on the subject.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Either way it's unfortunate that once again things couldn't be more confoundng, costly and time consuming in Mexico. |
We don' need no more steenkin confounding, costly or time consuming. Bastante es bastante.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
I'm new to this stuff so help me out here. I flipped my 'No Imigrante' card over and I have the the coveted 'Prorroga 4'. I'm up for renewal next
month. If I understand this thread correctly, I could go for an 'Inmigrante' for $3185 pesos and then not have an annual renewal fee. Is this right?
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For the La Paz office:
Santiago - you just won the lotto!!
Go for Permanente for $3815 MXN and you are done for LIFE! No more visits to Immigration.
This is the case for my wife. She was just going to renew the FM3 and immigration recommended Permanente.
And I just lost the lotto. One year into my second FM3 and I have to wait four more.
To Gnukid:
Yes, there are other ways to qualify for Permanente such as investments or income. I easily qualify, BUT, La PAz immigration has not received
official direction on how to proceed. They are waiting for procedures from Mexico City.
In the interim, if your card is expiring, you have no options but to continue as a "temporal".
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I'm in process now, you can imagine how much wrong info I've been given, but I tried not to offend, I just pull out my 100 page binder of the law
printed and highlighted plus advisements in spanish and we review together and correct every mistatement... visit number 6 in one month due INM
holidays and parties... I'll find out next wednesday. The agents admit they have never done a residente permanente before... or apparently much of
anything that's a big part of the hurdle.
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What does "prorroga" mean in this case?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
What does "prorroga" mean in this case? |
Google Translate says...."extended."
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I hit em with the financial qualifications. Well, at least the monthly pension income that was well in excess of their minimum. Nope, he says. You
gotta stay Temporal for two more years. In fact, they made me translate 6 months worth of financials into Spanish (using an official Spanish
translator!!) and turn them in JUST TO TRANSITION FROM FM3 TO TEMPORAL. What a crock!!!!
In the meantime, my wife with the prorroga 4 ON A LUCRATIVO FM3, DIDNT HAVE TO TURN IN A SINGLE BIT OF FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION!
I just laugh when I see Gypsy Jan post articles about how Mexico's time is NOW, how they are going to join the elite civilized countries of the world.
Yeah, right. They STILL dont even have a postal service that works, much less immigration rules that make any sense!
[Edited on 1-6-2013 by Hook]
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Leo
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I second that Hook,
but don't forget your personal quote. Relax!....
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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It's bothesome when you play by the rules and are actually disadvantaged by it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
It's bothesome when you play by the rules and are actually disadvantaged by it. |
Mexico is held together by chaos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnlkKdDXk-I
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Yes, it's very clear that chaos actually favors the ruling class and corporations in Mexico.
For instance, imagine if Mexico actually had a working postal system. One could order products on line from ANYWHERE, simply pay the duty and still be
ahead in terms of cost. But it would eliminate the "cut" of the importers and the retailers within the country.
Even the delivery services that supposedly compete with the Mexican postal system are overly priced for a country with a much cheaper labor force and
less expensive fuel.
The ruling class and the labor unions have Mexico by the cojones in so many cases.
I dont blame the unions for demanding better wages but they defend incompetence and promote nepotism in their ranks to a degree even unimaginable in
the US.
The result is chaotic..................and disadvantageous to Mexicans outside these chaotic systems.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Even the delivery services that supposedly compete |
That's one of the biggest downfalls for the consumer in Mexico. They don't compete. They price-fix and give the consumer little choice in quality
and price.
NAFTA, along with the Big Box stores, importing goods previously unavailable have put a big hurt on manufacturers in Mexico. In the past they could
fill a box with dog crap and call it delicous food and the consumer had no choice on the shelf.
That's changing.
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Paul Check U2U.
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