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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Not sure about "endangered", but the big cats are on the increase in CA (and elsewhere) due to measures to protect them (from us). There use to be
Griz (etc.) all over the Southwest USA and northern Mexico, and they were extremely hazardous to man and beast back before 1840, or so, and were
greatly feared, with good reason.. I am torn on this subject-------man and the large predators are NOT known to get along. Both bears and big-cats
are dangerous to man and beast, with bears being a downright nuisance, in my book, especially in the Sierra Nevada Mts...where protected.
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animal attacks are so rare -- let the animals be!
sharks, bees, snakes, bears, cats,... they are all a risk - just leave them alone. is an acceptable loss if we loose a minuscule number of human
victims each year.
if you want to wipe out critters to stop a minuscule handful of deaths, your efforts would be better focused on bigger killers like handguns or
malaria. get your priorities straight! |
Ahhhh Errrrr, Goat, I think you need to do a little more research. Take a backpack trip into the Yosemite or Sequoia/Kings Canyon wilderness areas
(etc.) and you are almost guaranteed to have bear problems, often serious. I gave up that sport years ago because I had so many trips ruined due to
bears taking our food, ripping up our gear, and scaring the H--- out of me and mine. When it comes down to 'them or me', they lose if possible. Who
needs bears-----not me!!!!!! but thanks to protectionist laws, they won----we don't go there anymore, and won't ever again.
Barry
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how would you go about using a pepper spray on a big cat if attacked?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
how would you go about using a pepper spray on a big cat if attacked? |
-----aim it at their face and let er rip!!!!! (and then get the H--- out of there)
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Not sure about "endangered", but the big cats are on the increase in CA (and elsewhere) due to measures to protect them (from us). There use to be
Griz (etc.) all over the Southwest USA and northern Mexico, and they were extremely hazardous to man and beast back before 1840, or so, and were
greatly feared, with good reason.. I am torn on this subject-------man and the large predators are NOT known to get along. Both bears and big-cats
are dangerous to man and beast, with bears being a downright nuisance, in my book, especially in the Sierra Nevada Mts...where protected.
Barry |
animal attacks are so rare -- let the animals be!
sharks, bees, snakes, bears, cats,... they are all a risk - just leave them alone. is an acceptable loss if we loose a minuscule number of human
victims each year.
if you want to wipe out critters to stop a minuscule handful of deaths, your efforts would be better focused on bigger killers like handguns or
malaria. get your priorities straight! |
Ahhhh Errrrr, Goat, I think you need to do a little more research. Take a backpack trip into the Yosemite or Sequoia/Kings Canyon wilderness areas
(etc.) and you are almost guaranteed to have bear problems, often serious. I gave up that sport years ago because I had so many trips ruined due to
bears taking our food, ripping up our gear, and scaring the H--- out of me and mine. When it comes down to 'them or me', they lose if possible. Who
needs bears-----not me!!!!!! but thanks to protectionist laws, they won----we don't go there anymore, and won't ever again.
Barry |
Another example that you chose a career that you were totally unsuited for. And placed in a position of authority.
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Barrys correct !!
once in anchorage Ak had to go to the cargo term and there was two bears in a special cages..I asked about them and was told that they problems bears
and where being flown to ca for a CDFG program to restock the Yosemite area...there a lake on the westide that I go to ALOT and meet folks all the
time that had just left the park and had bear issues...dosnt help that they getting free trouble bears from AK and I have seen a lot more bear in ca
the past few years...city folks don't see them !!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Not sure about "endangered", but the big cats are on the increase in CA (and elsewhere) due to measures to protect them (from us). There use to be
Griz (etc.) all over the Southwest USA and northern Mexico, and they were extremely hazardous to man and beast back before 1840, or so, and were
greatly feared, with good reason.. I am torn on this subject-------man and the large predators are NOT known to get along. Both bears and big-cats
are dangerous to man and beast, with bears being a downright nuisance, in my book, especially in the Sierra Nevada Mts...where protected.
Barry |
animal attacks are so rare -- let the animals be!
sharks, bees, snakes, bears, cats,... they are all a risk - just leave them alone. is an acceptable loss if we loose a minuscule number of human
victims each year.
if you want to wipe out critters to stop a minuscule handful of deaths, your efforts would be better focused on bigger killers like handguns or
malaria. get your priorities straight! |
Ahhhh Errrrr, Goat, I think you need to do a little more research. Take a backpack trip into the Yosemite or Sequoia/Kings Canyon wilderness areas
(etc.) and you are almost guaranteed to have bear problems, often serious. I gave up that sport years ago because I had so many trips ruined due to
bears taking our food, ripping up our gear, and scaring the H--- out of me and mine. When it comes down to 'them or me', they lose if possible. Who
needs bears-----not me!!!!!! but thanks to protectionist laws, they won----we don't go there anymore, and won't ever again.
Barry |
Another example that you chose a career that you were totally unsuited for. And placed in a position of authority. |
Au contrair, SkipJack. I can't tell you how many people thanked me for taking their problems with bears seriously, and giving them a voice. Yes, I
was in the minority on my views on bears in the Parks, but a substantial amount of people within the Service agreed with me. I went from GS-5
buck-Ranger to GS-12 Chief Ranger/Branch Chief in 7 years in the NPS & BLM.
I rest my case.
Barry
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captkw
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Barrys correct
| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
once in anchorage Ak had to go to the cargo term and there was two bears in a special cages..I asked about them and was told that they problems bears
and where being flown to ca for a CDFG program to restock the Yosemite area...theres a lake on the westide (outside Yosemite) that I go to ALOT and
meet folks all the time that had just left the park and had bear issues...dosnt help that they getting free trouble bears from AK and I have seen a
lot more bear in ca the past few years...city folks don't see them !! |
[Edited on 1-21-2014 by captkw]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
how would you go about using a pepper spray on a big cat if attacked? |
No way Janene. If one of these animals is on you it's pretty much Adios.
What is of great interest to me is the fact that you even saw one. The are there, part of the same range of mountains on the U.S. side and they will
roam, but to see it is incredible. Cat should not have been there, that close to people.
Might have been a sick animal.
There is a wonderful movie about the other great predator, the dog's. It is called "Never Cry Wolf" and it is funny, makes an excellent point, has
some of the most wonderful cinematography I have ever seen and is well worth the rental, or library trip.
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yes I was amazed myself. I saw it running on my right side very fast as I was heading south to Tecate. It looked sort of young, and I looked at
pictures of them on the Internet as I had never seen one. I just drove up the Tecate road from Ensenada today and guess what....a bird bounced off my
windshield and I saw in my rear view window that it bounced to the side of the road...presumably dead. That road is sure full of surprises!!
[Edited on 1-21-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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Have to concur with Cisco. Unless you are hiking with the spray and your finger on the button, you'll probably never have the time to use a spray. But
no one hikes like that.
It's a stout stick and hope you get in a wallop early on to discourage it.
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LancairDriver
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Here is their preferred meal when there is no goat on the trail.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Yes, I was in the minority on my views on bears in the Parks, but a substantial amount of people within the Service agreed with me. I went from GS-5
buck-Ranger to GS-12 Chief Ranger/Branch Chief in 7 years in the NPS & BLM.
I rest my case.
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.. and you were in the minority when it came to preserving ancient artifacts on public lands as I recall. Not surprising to me as your views are
consistently contrary to most people in the park service. What you were doing there is beyond comprehension. You must have been in a constant state of
war with your personnel, people who enlisted into the service with certain ideals. Ideals which you repeatedly show that you lack.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
Here is their preferred meal when there is no goat on the trail.
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Great photo. Magnificent, healthy looking animal.
Janene. Reference your how do I protect myself question. These animals can take down a five or six hundred pound Elk with ease. They break their necks
while onboard the back.
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No Worries!
If a lion were to start chasing me, it would slip and fall and break all four legs.
[Edited on 1-21-2014 by DavidE]
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
Here is their preferred meal when there is no goat on the trail.
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Great photo. Magnificent, healthy looking animal.
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I agree, but it is sad knowing road-kill has become part of the cycle of nature... attracting animals like a modern day tar pit.
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OK supposedly when a vicious dog comes after you you need to move slowly and act meek. Now with a lion you have to be on the offensive and scream and
yell? I don't get it. I think I will carry agent orange on me next time!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
how would you go about using a pepper spray on a big cat if attacked? |
I imagine the big cat would appreciate it if you just sprayed yourself with that pepper spray,
added some salt and perhaps some wild sage, and Voila! Dinner is served!
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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Here we go with the CATT-iness!! | Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
how would you go about using a pepper spray on a big cat if attacked? |
I imagine the big cat would appreciate it if you just sprayed yourself with that pepper spray,
added some salt and perhaps some wild sage, and Voila! Dinner is served! |
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajadogs
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
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Here is their preferred meal when there is no goat on the trail.
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Great photo. Magnificent, healthy looking animal.
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I agree, but it is sad knowing road-kill has become part of the cycle of nature... attracting animals like a modern day tar pit.
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Sad what we have become I'm afraid.
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Oregon Dept. of Fish and Game tells us Curry County on the southern Oregon coast has one of the highest populations of Cougars in the Northwest, with
the exception of Vancouver Island. I see them on at least a monthly basis, but there are no recorded attacks on people around here. Occasionally they
will be shot raiding livestock here, but this is not that common either. Many ranchers are placing Great Pyrenees dogs or Llamas with their sheep
herds and they deter most attacks.
On the subject mentioned earlier in this thread on Grizzly bears who used to inhabit California, the Spanish managed to coexist with them for almost
300 years before the territory was wrested from them. They considered an occasional beef cattle loss acceptable ,and there are many pictures of
Vaqueros lassoing them for sport. I guess that was back when men were made of tougher stuff.
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