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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Real scientists continually collect data and do not make finite pronouncements based on tiny amounts of data. The climate has always been changing and
none of us live long enough to have any grasp on seeing anything beyond normal fluctuations.
Solar activity, volcanoes and other NATURAL occurrences cause the climate to change. Man cannot and has not ever changed the earth's global climate.
If you ever were at sea then you would understand that land is the minority surface on earth and man occupies only some of the land.
If you can't see this is a massive scam to take more money from you and make government even more oppressive and controlling, then there is nothing I
can do more than just ask to use common sense and see the facts... not a graph that was reversed in an Al Gore movie.
They already have been shown to be wrong, since the earth has been cooling each year since this hysteria of Global Warming began. Now they call it
'Climate Change'.. LOL! The climate has always changed over thousands to millions of years. They will continue to change with or without man. How much
poorer you make American taxpayers will not change the change! 
Anyone know the story of Chicken Little? The Emperor Has No Clothes is also appropriate for this worship of all things liberal.
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"Tiny amounts of data"
..."none of us live long enough to have any grasp on seeing anything beyond normal fluctuations."
And the Ken Ham Award of the Week goes to: !!!!!!!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Real scientists continually collect data and do not make finite pronouncements based on tiny amounts of data. The climate has always been changing and
none of us live long enough to have any grasp on seeing anything beyond normal fluctuations.
Solar activity, volcanoes and other NATURAL occurrences cause the climate to change. Man cannot and has not ever changed the earth's global climate.
If you ever were at sea then you would understand that land is the minority surface on earth and man occupies only some of the land.
If you can't see this is a massive scam to take more money from you and make government even more oppressive and controlling, then there is nothing I
can do more than just ask to use common sense and see the facts... not a graph that was reversed in an Al Gore movie.
They already have been shown to be wrong, since the earth has been cooling each year since this hysteria of Global Warming began. Now they call it
'Climate Change'.. LOL! The climate has always changed over thousands to millions of years. They will continue to change with or without man. How much
poorer you make American taxpayers will not change the change!
Anyone know the story of Chicken Little? The Emperor Has No Clothes is also appropriate for this worship of all things liberal.
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Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a perfectly serious site providing instructions for "praying to God to change the weather" and was accused
of "blowing hot air" by DavidK. I was willing to accept that from an expert on hot air, but for the sake of accuracy, if you ever intend to have a
conversation with me about science, you are going to have to be able to run faster than me. I assure you that I am most likely going to make a
survival effort to run far enough that I can't be effectively irritated by your mouth noises. If all like-minded people also run from your nonsense,
I'll have the pleasure of stopping for a breather with 97% of the planet's climate scientists and we can decide among ourselves if they are "real" or
not!!! Yes, I second the nomination for the Ham Award!
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Real scientists continually collect data and do not make finite pronouncements based on tiny amounts of data. The climate has always been changing and
none of us live long enough to have any grasp on seeing anything beyond normal fluctuations.
Solar activity, volcanoes and other NATURAL occurrences cause the climate to change. Man cannot and has not ever changed the earth's global climate.
If you ever were at sea then you would understand that land is the minority surface on earth and man occupies only some of the land.
If you can't see this is a massive scam to take more money from you and make government even more oppressive and controlling, then there is nothing I
can do more than just ask to use common sense and see the facts... not a graph that was reversed in an Al Gore movie.
They already have been shown to be wrong, since the earth has been cooling each year since this hysteria of Global Warming began. Now they call it
'Climate Change'.. LOL! The climate has always changed over thousands to millions of years. They will continue to change with or without man. How much
poorer you make American taxpayers will not change the change!
Anyone know the story of Chicken Little? The Emperor Has No Clothes is also appropriate for this worship of all things liberal.
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David, I'll show you my facts/sources..
Temperatures this year are in line with the trend since 2000, said WMO Secretary-General Michael Jarraud, adding that the 2000 to 2010 period was the
warmest decade on record so far.
Driving the world's rising global temperatures are the buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which the WMO said
reached new highs in 2012 and are expected to climb to "unprecedented levels" again in 2013 once this year is complete.
"This means that we are committed to a warmer future," he said.
taken from: http://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_981_e...
How about you show me your facts/sources....and Facebook doesn't count
[Edited on 4-19-2014 by Bajaboy]
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luckily, i prefer warm weather!
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THE NORTHWEST PASSAGE OPENS
Panama Goes Broke
The Matanuska Valley grows seven crops of tropical fruit during the Night/Day season.
The Taliban tries to survive in 170F temperatures
Vegetation worldwide rejoices. GIVE US UREA and PHOSPHOROUS and we'll show you a thing or two.
Canadian geese give forth a sigh of relief. NO MORE SACRIFICIAL DOWN!
British Columbianos sell to the highest bidder and move to Yellowknife.
America agrees to reduce CO2 production 99.9% while Chinese emissions increase 600%
Al Gore is forced to pontificate from Thule Greenland
Human beings actually KNOW about 0.000000003% of the history of this planet.
CO2 levels are going up. But in history massive die-offs of the tropical rain forest in the Amazon have released more CO2 by MAGNITUDES than all the
CO2 ever produced by man since Lucy loped in Africa. You do your own research on this.
Global warming is of ZERO importance as compared to the slaughter going on in the 7 seas. Massive disruption and skewing of marine life balance will
damage this earth and have insane consequences for mankind.
Meanwhile it's KUMBAYA, not construct canals, and plan for the inevitable consequences of a higher CO2 percentage.
Only an IDIOT believes CO2 production in the USA competes with the CO2 production in China where COAL is the primary fuel.
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No matter how rich Al Gore gets selling Carbon Credits, the world's temperature will continue to change from the same actions in Nature that have
always changed it.
It may be getting warmer or it may be getting cooler... SO WHAT? Taking more money from us taxpayers doesn't change the world's temperature. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No matter how rich Al Gore gets selling Carbon Credits, the world's temperature will continue to change from the same actions in Nature that have
always changed it.
It may be getting warmer or it may be getting cooler... SO WHAT? Taking more money from us taxpayers doesn't change the world's temperature.
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sources...facts.... Can you at least throw me a crumb?
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A Crumb?
Shoot I can't even pick up Al Gore, never mind throw him...
Here is a link to a PhD astrophysicist, rather than to a failed lawyer...
http://www.weatheraction.com/
Enjoy your dollar an orange up there. Someone posted an image of 5 oranges on the ground and now there is a terrible new blight that has devastated
the world's orange crop. You people are being taken for suckers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
The only financial nagging I will do for Al Gore is his selling a TV channel to Al Qaeda.
Regardless of your political leanings, ALWAYS follow the dollar and you will find the root of any issue.
It's all a scam |
ok, let's follow the dollars. the people that argue against global warming are motivated by money, because they are invested in systems or industries
that belch green house gasses. for example, petrochem, drivers of oversized SUVs, etc. these people allege scientists are lieing, because they fear
stopping their polluting ways will interupt their gravy train or materialistic ways.
yes, the client change deniers are waging a scam.
some people are rich and act in humanitarian or altruistic ways. people like the koch brothers are not included in the humanitarian or altruistic
group!
sometimes money makes people act in good ways. sometimes money makes people act in bad ways. you should figure out their motivations before you
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Your right Goat.These Koch brothers sure are a pair of tight Bastards who arent included in the humanitarian and altruistic group.
David H. Koch Charitable Foundation and Personal Philanthropy
Ultra-sensitive chip-based devices allow researchers at the
David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research to
study changes in nanoparticles or living cells with a million
times greater precision than ever before. Diagnosed with
prostate cancer in 1993, Mr. Koch has given millions for
research to beat the disease.
Foundations & Philanthropy
Fred and Mary Koch Foundation
Koch Cultural Trust
Charles Koch Foundation
Charles Koch Institute
David H. Koch Charitable Foundation
& Personal Philanthropy
David H. Koch earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in chemical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He joined Koch
Industries, Inc. in 1970 and today serves as an executive vice president and board member. As chairman and president of Koch Membrane Systems, Inc.,
his passion for water technology has led to clean water innovations that have been exhibited at the International Desalination Association World
Congress. Koch Membrane Systems is part of Koch Chemical Technology Group, LLC, a subsidiary of Koch Industries, Inc.
A long-time philanthropist, Mr. Koch has given generously to a variety of organizations and programs. In his lifetime, he and the David H. Koch
Charitable Foundation have pledged or contributed more than $1 billion to cancer research, medical centers, educational institutions, arts and
cultural institutions, and to assist public policy organizations.
Medical & Cancer Research
A prostate cancer survivor, Mr. Koch has donated $100 million as prime contributor for the David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research at
MIT. Other support for medical and cancer research includes:
$100 million to NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital to help build the David H. Koch Center, a new ambulatory care center
$20 million to Johns Hopkins University for the David H. Koch Cancer Research Center
$30 million to the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City
$25 million to the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston for the David H. Koch Center for Applied Research of Genitourinary Cancers
$15 million to New York-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell Medical Center
$25 million to The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City
$10 million to Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center to create the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food
Allergy Therapeutics
In 2011, Mr. Koch received the Humanitarian of the Year award from the American Apparel and Footwear Association for his long-standing support of
organizations working to find a cure for prostate cancer. The awards gala raised more than $1.1 million for the Prostate Cancer Foundation. In 2007,
he was honored with the Double Helix Medal for Corporate Leadership from Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory for supporting research that, “improves the
health of people everywhere.”
Mr. Koch was honored by the Smithsonian Institution in
2012 for his generous support, and presented with a piece of
Smithsonite by G. Wayne Clough (left), secretary of the
Smithsonian Institution.
Education & Science
Mr. Koch supports science-related projects including funding the long-running PBS documentary series, “Nova,” and a science and technology center at
Deerfield Academy in Massachusetts.
A $35 million pledge to the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History will renovate the dinosaur hall, which will be named after him. Once
renovated, the hall will showcase the museum's unrivaled collection of 46 million fossils and present the most up-to-date scientific research. His $15
million gift to the museum created the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins that opened in 2010. The 15,000-square-foot exhibit helps answer the
question, “What does it mean to be human?“
Other education and science-related support includes:
The Koch Biology Building and the David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering Practice at MIT
A $20 million gift to the American Museum of Natural History, establishing the David H. Koch Dinosaur Wing
The Bill of Rights Institute, which educates students and teachers about our nation's Founding principles, including national sponsor of the
2009-2010 high school essay contest, “Being an American“
Arts & Culture
In 2013, the Metropolitan Museum of Art formally broke ground for the new David H. Koch Plaza. His $65 million gift will give the 140-year-old museum
a beautiful outdoor setting with new fountains, landscaping and improved access, all designed with sustainability in mind.
Gifts from the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation have benefited the American Ballet Theater. In 2008, his foundation gave $100 million for the
preservation and renovation of the State Theater of New York at Lincoln Center. Now known as the David H. Koch Theater, it is home to the New York
City Ballet and New York City Opera.
Public Policy
A passionate believer in free societies, Mr. Koch has funded research and education programs that analyze how freedom creates prosperity and advances
social progress. He serves on the boards of the Cato Institute, Reason Foundation and Americans for Prosperity Foundation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No matter how rich Al Gore gets selling Carbon Credits, the world's temperature will continue to change from the same actions in Nature that have
always changed it.
It may be getting warmer or it may be getting cooler... SO WHAT? Taking more money from us taxpayers doesn't change the world's temperature.
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sources...facts.... Can you at least throw me a crumb?
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Facts? You need facts to interpret the statement that IT DOESN'T MATTER, because climate has ALWAYS been changing NO MATTER what man has done? The
world isn't flat, but do you need facts to just know that? Will a photo do?
Seriously, because you allow emotion and politics to dictate what you want to believe, it won't matter what facts anybody produces. The 'facts' you
will only believe come from left wing radical extremists who wish only to control people and destroy capitalism in order to justify the dictatorship
that ensures their grasp on power. Government control over our bodies is a big first step to a socialist dictatorship... "keep voting for 'us' if you
want health care. The sad truth is now people have less care and are paying more for the less. The number of people without any health care is higher
than before the 'affordable care act'.
I believe in people not government bureaucracy and the benefits of more freedom to everybody.
Not that it matter or that you will just say it is bunk, but here is an article on how the world is getting cooler in recent years and the ice cap is
again growing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-C...
Some common sense talk from 2009 by the founder of the Weather Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FhmuWWcGw
Try and shelve you hysteria of man destroying the climate and listen to real science.
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DK said, "Will a photo do?"
Yes, but PLEASE no maps!
 
[Edited on 4-19-2014 by woody with a view]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No matter how rich Al Gore gets selling Carbon Credits, the world's temperature will continue to change from the same actions in Nature that have
always changed it.
It may be getting warmer or it may be getting cooler... SO WHAT? Taking more money from us taxpayers doesn't change the world's temperature.
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sources...facts.... Can you at least throw me a crumb?
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Facts? You need facts to interpret the statement that IT DOESN'T MATTER, because climate has ALWAYS been changing NO MATTER what man has done? The
world isn't flat, but do you need facts to just know that? Will a photo do?
Seriously, because you allow emotion and politics to dictate what you want to believe, it won't matter what facts anybody produces. The 'facts' you
will only believe come from left wing radical extremists who wish only to control people and destroy capitalism in order to justify the dictatorship
that ensures their grasp on power. Government control over our bodies is a big first step to a socialist dictatorship... "keep voting for 'us' if you
want health care. The sad truth is now people have less care and are paying more for the less. The number of people without any health care is higher
than before the 'affordable care act'.
I believe in people not government bureaucracy and the benefits of more freedom to everybody.
Not that it matter or that you will just say it is bunk, but here is an article on how the world is getting cooler in recent years and the ice cap is
again growing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-C...
Some common sense talk from 2009 by the founder of the Weather Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FhmuWWcGw
Try and shelve you hysteria of man destroying the climate and listen to real science. |
Thank you and please accept my apology for getting so emotional. I also appreciate you once again giving me your opinion. Unfortunately, your
opinion is not FACT!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Government control over our bodies is a big first step to a socialist dictatorship... "keep voting for 'us' if you want health care. The sad truth is
now people have less care and are paying more for the less. The number of people without any health care is higher than before the 'affordable care
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Now surely you have some reliable links to some facts and statistics that backs up that claim?? Numbers, please
And since the ACA is private insurance based, please, a link as to how the government is gaining control over our bodies; unless it is the right wing
legislatures in some states that are dictating to women what they can do with their bodies. (If you want, that one is EASY to back up. )
And since countries like Canada, Great Britain, Germany, and many, many more have government controlled heathcare, why have they not become Socialist
Dictatorships? Surely there are some expert researchers involved in this question?
Who are these people you believe want a socialist dictatorship in the USA? And please be specific. Who?
Opinions are one thing, facts are another, so just back up your opinions with some facts, please so we can all be better informed.
You throw these statements around like they are factually based, or are they just your opinion?
[Edited on 4-20-2014 by DianaT]
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John Coleman?
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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David gets his "news" from AM radio. The crap he types is the same puke I hear from all the Fox talking heads. AND, for some reason DK is allowed to
vomit his horse plop all over the Baja Nomad forum without taking it OFF TOPIC!!!!
David,
It is impossible for me to have a logical discussion when your topic is OFF-TOPIC and you assume to be too good for the OFF TOPIC forum.
You are not.
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which DAVID are you refering to?
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which DAVID are you refering to? |
DavidK is whom I was referring. I thought it would be obvious since it was a quick reply and had referred to him as DK in the same post. My apologies
to all the other Davids.
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Nice if you read what I said and didn't change my message. I said it doesn't matter what any of us does about climate. Climate changes naturally.
Using fear to get rich or have more power is a shame.
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What is rarely ever taken into account is the difference between a world a few million years ago as to climate fluctuations (or a few thousand
depending on your beliefs) and the current situation of billions of people belching poisonous crap into the atmosphere daily...it is not apples and
oranges. Are the oceans the same? The forests? The glaciers? Even if the left wing tree hugging elitists are wrong doesn't it make some sense to
take a stand against excessive fossil fuel emissions and search for a better answer?
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I got this in an email
The Washington Post
The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some
places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the
Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical
change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the
Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been
met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 metres showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the
report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely
disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast
shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north,
are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it
is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most
coastal cities uninhabitable.
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I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2,
1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 90+ years
ago.
sold out and got out !!!
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