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DianaT
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | How does "permission" change anything... the vehicles (SCORE or general public) still driving on dirt roads... ?? |
They need the official permission because of the potential damage to the surrounding areas, and they expect certain rules to be followed.
They have stopped the building of paved roads when certain permissions and rules were not followed and fined the contractors.
They do not have the staff to always enforce all of the rules, but they try with the limited staff they have. And they have given permission for
other races, so it is not like they just want to stop it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | How does "permission" change anything... the vehicles (SCORE or general public) still driving on dirt roads... ?? |
They need the official permission because of the potential damage to the surrounding areas, and they expect certain rules to be followed.
They have stopped the building of paved roads when certain permissions and rules were not followed and fined the contractors.
They do not have the staff to always enforce all of the rules, but they try with the limited staff they have. And they have given permission for
other races, so it is not like they just want to stop it. |
INAH has the same problem.
This is why it is so important we all be good stewards when visiting.
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Good Old Times!
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David K
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Being good stewards/ good campers is primary! Never leave anything at your camp that wasn't there before, and if possible take out other trash that
someone else didn't bother to.
If you can carry it in full, how is possible to not carry out out empty???
There is no doubt that with the cost to enter a race in Baja being upwards of $5,000 that some funds should go to re-habitation of the course after
the race. Be it to collect all the beer bottles the locals leave when they go back home or to scrape the road if chewed up worse than before.
The real problem I think is that this money IS collected and paid to the Mexican authorities who are supposed to have this work done!?
Your argument with Off Road Racing should not be with the racing contestants but with the government people who pocket the money. Permits are as ridic
u l o u s if you think issuing them somehow makes less damage than not issuing them... like a bad tax, you are just making one person poorer and
another richer, while the work doesn't get done.
In the end, Baja off roading (racing or just fun rides) really brings in the money to the people of Baja. So many who came to race over the years have
returned to see more of Baja at a slower pace, to invest in vacation homes there, and more.
[Edited on 12-24-2014 by David K]
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You just keep on and you have no clue. Stay with what you know pls. The approval is not about money, its about reviewing the course and approving
the route and then paying for any damage. My son was a driver this last race and saw plenty of damage....enough to where only half the cars finished.
I have also been a part of the approval process here for local races. The damage the 1000 caused without reparations caused us to lose our route for
the Pacifico 300 last week. so stop with the no-Know-all lectures. driving on the beach with pictures of your tire tracks is not being a good
steward.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Being good stewards/ good campers is primary! Never leave anything at your camp that wasn't there before, and if possible take out other trash that
someone else didn't bother to.
If you can carry it in full, how is possible to not carry out out empty???
There is no doubt that with the cost to enter a race in Baja being upwards of $5,000 that some funds should go to re-habitation of the course after
the race. Be it to collect all the beer bottles the locals leave when they go back home or to scrape the road if chewed up worse than before.
The real problem I think is that this money IS collected and paid to the Mexican authorities who are supposed to have this work done!?
Your argument with Off Road Racing should not be with the racing contestants but with the government people who pocket the money. Permits are as ridic
u l o u s if you think issuing them somehow makes less damage than not issuing them... like a bad tax, you are just making one person poorer and
another richer, while the work doesn't get done.
In the end, Baja off roading (racing or just fun rides) really brings in the money to the people of Baja. So many who came to race over the years have
returned to see more of Baja at a slower pace, to invest in vacation homes there, and more.
[Edited on 12-24-2014 by David K] |
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DianaT
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And before the race, it was known that the proper environmental permits had not been obtained.
http://www.elvigia.net/general/2014/11/6/sigue-baja-permiso-...
And David, unless you really know for sure that this was the fault of some Mexican official who pocketed the money, why would you state that?
Baja and Mexico are moving forward in working to protect their reserves --- under staffed and a work in progress, but the permits needed to be
obtained. And not obtaining the proper permits only serves to harm future races.
This is not about defending or not defending off-road races, it is about respecting the laws of another country or paying the price for not doing so.
| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | You just keep on and you have no clue. Stay with what you know pls. The approval is not about money, its about reviewing the course and approving
the route and then paying for any damage. My son was a driver this last race and saw plenty of damage....enough to where only half the cars finished.
I have also been a part of the approval process here for local races. The damage the 1000 caused without reparations caused us to lose our route for
the Pacifico 300 last week. so stop with the no-Know-all lectures. driving on the beach with pictures of your tire tracks is not being a good
steward.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Being good stewards/ good campers is primary! Never leave anything at your camp that wasn't there before, and if possible take out other trash that
someone else didn't bother to.
If you can carry it in full, how is possible to not carry out out empty???
There is no doubt that with the cost to enter a race in Baja being upwards of $5,000 that some funds should go to re-habitation of the course after
the race. Be it to collect all the beer bottles the locals leave when they go back home or to scrape the road if chewed up worse than before.
The real problem I think is that this money IS collected and paid to the Mexican authorities who are supposed to have this work done!?
Your argument with Off Road Racing should not be with the racing contestants but with the government people who pocket the money. Permits are as ridic
u l o u s if you think issuing them somehow makes less damage than not issuing them... like a bad tax, you are just making one person poorer and
another richer, while the work doesn't get done.
In the end, Baja off roading (racing or just fun rides) really brings in the money to the people of Baja. So many who came to race over the years have
returned to see more of Baja at a slower pace, to invest in vacation homes there, and more.
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David K
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Reality, it isn't a hard concept to understand.
Fees are paid for restoration/ cleanup.
Do they happen, and if not whose fault is it?
Trust people, not government agencies.
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