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Ateo
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Atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.
It does not mean to scoff or criticize. =)
We just don't buy the claims of the believers.
Christianity asserts many things. Things like talking snakes, global floods, water to wine, miracles, etc....
Thanks for stirring the pot Pompano.
This website is full of atheists when it comes to any other god other than Yahweh.
Or maybe I'm wrong, and Nomads believe in Allah, Thor, Zeus, Vishnu?
Have a good day all. I sleep in on Sundays...........
And Dennis, I know of very few liberals who think Obama is a saint. Most are unhappy with him. I know I am.
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miracles? S E A H A W K S
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Ateo
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Yep, and was that Russell Wilson guy thanking God for his team's win? Classic. He should've asked him why he made him throw 4 interceptions.
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Wow what a game! Holy Moley!
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Not everyone believes Serra was a saint. Of course this was not what we were taught 50 years ago.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-serra-canonizati...
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/291149561.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-05-22/news/880101022...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/27/junipero-serra-pope...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/25/pope-francis-ju...
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Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  |
Or maybe I'm wrong, and Nomads believe in Allah, Thor, Zeus, Vishnu?
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what happened the the one and only god? Neptune is his name!
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Yah!
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I think, for the future of humanity, religion must be criticized and ridiculed at every opportunity, and this is certainly a fertile opportunity 
carpe diem!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | elgatoloco sums up my stance on this.
There have been no "verifiable miracles" - EVER. If there were, everyone would know and there would be no doubt.
This is all business, like what was stated above already.
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What does not exist is more difficult to prove than what does exist.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cisco | | Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | elgatoloco sums up my stance on this.
There have been no "verifiable miracles" - EVER. If there were, everyone would know and there would be no doubt.
This is all business, like what was stated above already.
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Ha, and you can't prove there's not a large Dominoes Pizza orbiting Pluto! :LOL:
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HIS NAME IS ANDY MURPHY.
First and foremost, we know god is an Irishman who originally invented whiskey so his Irish didn't ultimately didn't control the world.
We know his Holy Name is of the Murphy Clan, because of the ultimate and indisputable "Murphy's Law" correlation:
"#1 - Nothing is as easy as it looks".
#2 - Everything takes longer than it should"
#3 - If anything CAN go wrong, it will... AND AT THE WORST POSSSIBLE MOMENT".
We can also now postulate his first name is 'Andy' from the songs that were taught in parochial schools and church hymns:
"Andy walks with me, Andy talks with me........."
HENCE, Andy Murphy.
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I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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around here !!
Be Avised that around here (carmel,monterey area) this is not going over well...he is looked at for killing many and running the "church's" BS...that
said,,I was not there myself...But, as I understand the then locals that were fine,happy,peaceful loving folks had to bowdown to a powerful new white
order of life..BTW...all history books are written by white men..go figure !!...LOL what a joke !!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | According to http://www.britannica.com/:
Historiography, the writing of history, especially the writing of history based on the critical examination of sources, the selection of particular
details from the authentic materials in those sources, and the synthesis of those details into a narrative that stands the test of critical
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This is what I do... examine the sources, make personal inspections, and write the details.
To make the history more interesting or entertaining, colorful stories are made from some of the facts. Movies, as well.
The re-writing of history is done to achieve a political gain and is quite common, specially in communist nations. Ignoring or lying about the past
helps nobody in the end. One should learn from the past to improve the future and if you are not told about mistakes from the past, you are likely to
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History is written by the victors, unfortunately, the indigenous never had a chance to chronicle events
from their perspective, so the actual history will always remain incomplete.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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well said mono
LOL,just turned on the AM KSCO (awesome) and some PHD was talking about this guy...btw PHD means ..post hole digger...anyhow...the church and missions
were a way to take over and control....plain and simple..........................
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The Spanish used the Church to advance colonization of the New World and Asia. Religion was everything... well that and GOLD!
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Reading threads like this truly sadden me.
So much misinformation. And anger.
Over what?
A religious organization follows its beliefs and finds a historical figure worthy of being noted for his activities.
And people go gaga over it!
What do they get out of it? It won't change the decision. And many, many members of that religion will be pleased with it.
Sigh.
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quik reply
When you have done the "El camino real" and its missions you would know more of the story....otherwise your doomed to a sick history account..DK knows
a lot about this as do I............
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What religion is based on is [u]Faith[/u].
| Quote: Originally posted by Cisco | | Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | elgatoloco sums up my stance on this.
There have been no "verifiable miracles" - EVER. If there were, everyone would know and there would be no doubt.
This is all business, like what was stated above already.
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What does not exist is more difficult to prove than what does exist.
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Our dilemma is: Since childhood we are told that having Faith is the only way to get to Heaven. Otherwise, we are condemned to Hell. OK! I tried that
when I was young and impressionable and my critical thinking skills were not fully mature.
I went along with it until I was the recipient of child abuse by these hypocrites (on a boy's ranch).  Then, I grew up and continued observing the behavior of our institutional leaders, government leaders, religious
leaders and fallible human beings in general.
A more realistic approach would be to live by the principles of Love, Humanism with maybe some Buddhism; it is all good! To serve mankind here on
earth, it seems to me, will produce its own rewards. The beneficiaries are certainly those whom you serve!...and perhaps your own Karma...who knows?
That leaves you free to serve full time instead of redeeming yourselves by going to Church and praying for redemption and then going out into the
world the rest of the time and lead ignorant, stupid, offensive lives. The time is Here and Now! Not some promise of an eternal afterlife if only you
believe.
And don't spew Evangelical dogma or wave a Bible in my face It is an allegorical book of tales written by so called,"inspired" people in many
different times.
My conclusion is: to live my life the best that I can in spite of my fallibilities. to serve others...and think Love. Go deep and reflect. Do not
support any form of aggression. Maybe there is an Afterlife...who knows? I don't doubt the possibility of anything. Hey! If there is, I want to go.
So, what is the basis upon which we are to to cast our hope for Eternal Life? Blind Faith? I don't think so. We are to be joyful about the
canonization of Junipero Serra? I don't think so! 
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| Quote: Originally posted by toneart | | Quote: Originally posted by Cisco | | Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | elgatoloco sums up my stance on this.
There have been no "verifiable miracles" - EVER. If there were, everyone would know and there would be no doubt.
This is all business, like what was stated above already.
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What does not exist is more difficult to prove than what does exist.
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Our dilemma is: Since childhood we are told that having Faith is the only way to get to Heaven. Otherwise, we are condemned to Hell. OK! I tried that
when I was young and impressionable and my critical thinking skills were not fully mature.
I went along with it until I was the recipient of child abuse by these hypocrites (on a boy's ranch). Then, I grew up and continued observing the behavior of our institutional leaders, government leaders, religious
leaders and fallible human beings in general.
A more realistic approach would be to live by the principles of Love, Humanism with maybe some Buddhism; it is all good! To serve mankind here on
earth, it seems to me, will produce its own rewards. The beneficiaries are certainly those whom you serve!...and perhaps your own Karma...who knows?
That leaves you free to serve full time instead of redeeming yourselves by going to Church and praying for redemption and then going out into the
world the rest of the time and lead ignorant, stupid, offensive lives. The time is Here and Now! Not some promise of an eternal afterlife if only you
believe.
And don't spew Evangelical dogma or wave a Bible in my face It is an allegorical book of tales written by so called,"inspired" people in many
different times.
My conclusion is: to live my life the best that I can in spite of my fallibilities. to serve others...and think Love. Go deep and reflect. Do not
support any form of aggression. Maybe there is an Afterlife...who knows? I don't doubt the possibility of anything. Hey! If there is, I want to go.
So, what is the basis upon which we are to to cast our hope for Eternal Life? Blind Faith? I don't think so. We are to be joyful about the
canonization of Junipero Serra? I don't think so! |
Hi Tony. Good post, connects with me very personally as I was born into sin and my mother would walk us kids over to the Mission for mass, that was
during Bishop Buddy's time.
The San Diego River could be high, chest high for a little kid, but we went.
Many stories of my time at the Mission and the orphanage adjacent to it but one that I remember so clearly was the tunnel from the Mission to a
fortification of sorts at the river down below.
The local Indians still came into the valley to mine the oak trees and I asked about this. Was told that the tunnel was dug to get water to the
mission when the Indian attacks took place. They were severely treated and would war against the invaders.
Sorry I cannot add emphasis to my comments, the machine will not post with them.
There also was a flume built by the Indians from Mission Dam to the Mission. I would ride my scooter up the flume to the dam, leave it there and go
hunt Spring and Quail canyons for deer.
For your soul Tony, not a religious statement, watch "Baraka", saw it yesterday, I watch it at least once a year along with "Why has Bodhi Dharma left
for the East". Subtitled in English. Baraka has no spoken words, just the beauty of the World.
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