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Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  | | Quote: Originally posted by Cisco | | Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.
Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there? |
Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a
no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.
On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20
years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)
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Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't
follow/know the rules. |
Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or
not.
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht... |
Diana. A pregunta por favor.
You seem to be acquainted with high/low deserts maybe you can help me out here with a definition.
Coming south through Joshua Tree I stopped at all the little highway information placards that were in the park describing different scenes and
characteristics.
One of them delineated the "low" Sonora desert with the "middle" Mojave and pointed out that the only "high" desert in California was located up in
the NE corner. Yet I hear people call places around hwy 10 "high Desert" which is a mis-nomer according to the Joshua Tree Rangers.
Ayuda! Any clarification?
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Sorry, I really have no idea the official designation of high or low desert. I know we refer to our area as high desert because we are at 4000 feet
in comparison to when we lived at sea level in Imperial County. But, that very well may be totally inaccurate.  
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??? The placard I was reading was at the altitude, in the southern part of the Park where the Sonora became the Mojave, the division of low and middle
deserts according to it.
I don't know where you are but Black Rock Desert (Burning Man. WHOO-HOO) I think is about 3900 and it extends into California.
I have a big booklet topo map of California. Will check it out.
Mil Gracias.
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In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over
4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the
state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada
all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over
4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the
state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada
all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally. |
So here in Big Pine in the Owens Valley we are high desert --- barely at 4000 feet. Terrain wise, we do feel like we are more connected in many ways
to Nevada. Of course around here, drive 15 minutes in different directions and it all changes.
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Thanks for the trip ... been a long while for me too 
California is a trip ... Alpine to Death Valley
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over
4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the
state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada
all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally. |
Great explanation, Thank You.
Clears up the whole thing.
I have friends in Trona and Ridgecrest (2500'?) who are always saying they live in the high desert and it made me wonder after seeing the JT Park
information.
I am keeping the flora information for ref. in my travels.
Very helpful, tnx again.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over
4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the
state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada
all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally. |
So here in Big Pine in the Owens Valley we are high desert --- barely at 4000 feet. Terrain wise, we do feel like we are more connected in many ways
to Nevada. Of course around here, drive 15 minutes in different directions and it all changes. |
Diana this is soo cool.
"Mount Whitney, the highest peak in the Continental United States, is on Inyo County's western border (with Tulare County). The Badwater Basin in
Death Valley National Park, the lowest place in North America, is in eastern Inyo County. The two points are not visible from each other, but both can
be observed from the Panamint Range on the west side of Death Valley, above the Panamint Valley."
So. You are living in the high desert of the County in the United States that has both the highest and lowest elevations of the entire continental
country.
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Actually the technical name for high desert I've described is 'Great Basin Desert', since it covers large portions of the western U.S. basin and range
provinces. Just listening to the local newscast---they do refer to Joshua Tree and similar environs as 'High Desert' since it is higher than other
locales like Palm Springs(just to confuse things!) but really its Mojave Desert which is 'higher' than Colorado Desert where Palm Springs is.
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big govt, for a big country
| Quote: | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Oh brother... more big government to deal with.
So, tell me how and where one gets a permit when we didn't even know we were going to camp there 3 hours earlier? No signs other than to stay on
marked roads, just open desert, lots of dirt roads to pick from.
Nearly nobody is out there in the big beautiful desert and maybe the excessive rules added by big government restricting personal freedoms is why?
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From the blm::::::
If you create a campfire of any kind on lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management, U.S. Forest Service, California Department of Forestry, and
Fire Protection, or National Park Service, you will need a campfire permit.
Campfire permits are free of charge, and may be obtained from any Bureau of Land Management office in California. We now have a link for your
convenience to obtain a campfire permit online: "Preventwildfireca.org" To obtain National Park Service (NPS) campfire permits, contact the NPS you
plan on visiting. You may also obtain campfire permits from any of the following agencies:
US Forest Service
National Park Service
California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection
Additional Information
On private land you must have written permission from the landowner for campfire use.
Many high-country areas prohibit wood fires to protect scarce vegetation.
If you smoke outside a vehicle, be sure you do so within a cleared area at least 3 feet in diameter.
So....... If you can plan ahead to bring food and fire fuel, then I think you can plan ahead and get a fire permit online.
P.s. Why is "big govt" bad? The USA has biggest military in the world, biggest economic engine in the world, huge land area,.... Sort of goes along
that it would have a big government.
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Types of Deserts
This is a bit of a hi-jack but follows the low/mid/high discussion of deserts -
There are four distinct desert types in the US. Not sure where the low/mid/high desert names originate as the desert types are primarily determined
by vegetation types rather than elevation.
In very brief summary, here are the names and characteristic vegetation types -
Great Basin (high) Desert - characteristic vegetation is sagebrush and saltbush.
Mojave Desert - characteristic vegetation is creosote bush and joshua tree.
Sonoran Desert - characteristic vegetation is large cactuses, saguaros/cardons
Chihuahan Desert - characteristict vegetation is small low cactus and agaves.
The borders between the different deserts are transitions rather than a distinct line. However, once you travel well into a different type of desert,
you typically will not see another desert's characteristic vegetation type.
As in -
If you are surrounded by creosote bush (Mojave), you typically will not see any sagebrush.
If you are surrounded by sagebrush, you typically will not see any saguaros/cardons.
Etc.
Link to a map of the types of deserts and their locations -
Deserts of North America
On edit -
I decided to start a new thread with this topic rather than hi-jack DK's trip report.
[Edited on 1-26-2015 by RnR]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | Thanks for the report David.
All, I'm heading to Anza next weekend and I'm looking for a "metal container" to burn my wood in. Any ideas? I know people use dryer drums but any
other ideas? |
I had a small Weber bbq die on me so I gutted it and use it. Definitely not a good choice for a big fire but very portable.
[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Bajaboy] |
Dude that's exactly what I was thinking. I have an old red one that never gets used. Take a couple screws out, take legs off, and DONE.[/
We always camped with a mini weber smokey joe for grilling and then used it for fire pit after dinner. One of the legs finally broke off and now it's
fire pit only. It's handy because it's small and packs easily has a lid for traveling and it makes for a nice 'Indian fire' small so you all get in
tight to talk story. |
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Thank you RnR... hijacks like yours above would be more welcome here than even my replies! LOL
(you are welcome to hijack my threads anytime with things like what you posted, informative facts, maps, or just friendly conversation)
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Winter Camping
Hi, David,
I have camped at -30 C in the snow in comfort with a plastic tarp shelter and all-season sleeping bag.
Switching to an insulative type of mattress and sleeping in a lean-to facing the fire could increase your ability to be warm and sleep.
http://www.atmosphere.ca/en/advice/camping/sleeping-pads
Spent a night in chilly Jacumba last November in a cozy motel. Enjoyed your trip report,
W
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| Quote: Originally posted by windgrrl | Hi, David,
I have camped at -30 C in the snow in comfort with a plastic tarp shelter and all-season sleeping bag.
Switching to an insulative type of mattress and sleeping in a lean-to facing the fire could increase your ability to be warm and sleep.
http://www.atmosphere.ca/en/advice/camping/sleeping-pads
Spent a night in chilly Jacumba last November in a cozy motel. Enjoyed your trip report,
W
[Edited on 1-26-2015 by windgrrl] |
Thanks... I just threw a few things in my truck for this trip and only had one tarp... which I put on the ground (to keep my air mattress clean). If I
had my normal supplies, there would be more tarps, one of which I would put over me, as I have done before when not using a tent... works great. I
wasn't cold inside my bag (it is a 20 degree rated bag), but getting up a couple times during the night, the cold air is just not as fun being in as a
night in Baja, in July!
[Edited on 1-26-2015 by David K]
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high, low, left, right,... it doesn't matter.
this sign on the S2 amuses me.
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