| Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
..
25 |
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64704
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
March was almost a year ago, and there was no government draught water restrictions and that was my post, fact not myth.
The Colorado has many times stopped flowing to the gulf before and man NOTHING to do with it... Nature has and will continue to be more powerful than
people.
|
|
|
wessongroup
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
Member Is Offline
Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
|
|
Yep when things get nasty with mother nature .. they really get nasty .. wouldn't disagree with that one 
|
|
|
motoged
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6481
Registered: 7-31-2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: Gettin' Better
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by David K  | .....
The Colorado has many times stopped flowing to the gulf before and man NOTHING to do with it... Nature has and will continue to be more powerful than
people. |
I do believe you are incorrect again.....humans have certainly affected its flow:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/colorado-river-drought-impact-tracked-space
Droughts have certainly predated this one....but increasing population and poor water management planning are factors at play with the river's levels:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/dyk/colorado-basin-drought
[Edited on 2-16-2015 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
|
|
|
bajabuddha
Banned
Posts: 4024
Registered: 4-12-2013
Location: Baja New Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Always cranky unless medicated
|
|
Just another two or three and there's the necklace; pearls of wisdom just keep on a-rollin'. Care to document that, oh scholar?
Before the Damn Dams the once-mighty Colorado would run easily over one hundred thousand cubic feet per second in flood-range, and the first Spanish
sailors SAILED to almost current Las Vegas. ..... but that was before Reagan and your childhood.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
|
|
|
Mexitron
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3397
Registered: 9-21-2003
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Member Is Offline
Mood: Happy!
|
|
David's right---the Colorado has changed course from draining into the gulf many times in its history and instead filling up the Salton Sink (Lake
Cahuilla). But we had this discussion in another thread a couple months ago.
|
|
|
Cliffy
Senior Nomad
Posts: 983
Registered: 12-19-2013
Member Is Offline
|
|
Here's data for all the Colorado River drainage I've got a headache from trying to read it all
http://lakepowell.water-data.com/
There are pages for all the lakes along the drainage
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64704
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | David's right---the Colorado has changed course from draining into the gulf many times in its history and instead filling up the Salton Sink (Lake
Cahuilla). But we had this discussion in another thread a couple months ago. |
Thank you... while a few here may not like that I have some knowledge of the past, it doesn't make it untrue if it comes from my keyboard. I don't
make up history, but if I make a mistake in how I report it, I am happy to have the correct answer provided... To me truth is what counts, not
political or environmental New Age nonsense used to gain power over people by a vocal minority.
|
|
|
monoloco
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6667
Registered: 7-13-2009
Location: Pescadero BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | David's right---the Colorado has changed course from draining into the gulf many times in its history and instead filling up the Salton Sink (Lake
Cahuilla). But we had this discussion in another thread a couple months ago. |
Thank you... while a few here may not like that I have some knowledge of the past, it doesn't make it untrue if it comes from my keyboard. I don't
make up history, but if I make a mistake in how I report it, I am happy to have the correct answer provided... To me truth is what counts, not
political or environmental New Age nonsense used to gain power over people by a vocal minority. |
Do you
really think that all the climate scientists at NASA, NOAA, and the world's top universities (and who get paid the same no matter what their data
shows) have a "New Age" political agenda? What do they have to gain compared to the oil, coal, and gas industries who are spending billions to
obfuscate the science? Almost all the prominent "skeptics", who are for the most part not even climate scientists, and in some cases like, Lord
Moncton, not scientists at all, are on the payroll of these guys (and have been paid very well). It seems pretty obvious who really has the agenda,
and has the most to gain by creating doubt.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
|
|
|
monoloco
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6667
Registered: 7-13-2009
Location: Pescadero BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Yes, and it is called 'funding'... if there is no "sky is falling" paranoia, then gullible liberals won't send in money (or take working people's
money) to keep government scientists working or pretending they are more powerful than Nature.
|
So do you believe that we should just immediately declare that the climate is going to do what it's going
to do, our activities have zero effect on it, and cease funding the study of climate related science? It seems to me like it would be a valid and
important field of study whether humans are complicit or not.
[Edited on 2-16-2015 by monoloco]
"The future ain't what it used to be"
|
|
|
Cliffy
Senior Nomad
Posts: 983
Registered: 12-19-2013
Member Is Offline
|
|
Why are there over 600 scientists standing by a letter they signed saying essentially it nothing but hooey?
Why has even the guy responsible for the original data collection saying HIS data collection is sloppy?
If I remember correctly, Tucson AZ was sited as an historical data collection site BUT the "concrete island effect" due to population explosion was
not factored in on the final report for temp rise over the study period.
As has been postulated It all comes down to funding! The sky is falling!
We're looking at a few hundred years in what 4 or 5 billion?
Climatologists can't predict next weeks weather and now we are predicting the end of the earth?
Just heard this week that it has been the coldest winter back east on record. To add, there has been no significant warming trend for over 18 years
from what I read.
|
|
|
monoloco
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6667
Registered: 7-13-2009
Location: Pescadero BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | Why are there over 600 scientists standing by a letter they signed saying essentially it nothing but hooey?
Why has even the guy responsible for the original data collection saying HIS data collection is sloppy?
If I remember correctly, Tucson AZ was sited as an historical data collection site BUT the "concrete island effect" due to population explosion was
not factored in on the final report for temp rise over the study period.
As has been postulated It all comes down to funding! The sky is falling!
We're looking at a few hundred years in what 4 or 5 billion?
Climatologists can't predict next weeks weather and now we are predicting the end of the earth?
Just heard this week that it has been the coldest winter back east on record. To add, there has been no significant warming trend for over 18 years
from what I read. |
If you look at the qualifications of those 600 "scientists" almost none of them are
climate scientists and many of them are not what we'd consider scientist at all, but just have bachelor of science degrees.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
|
|
|
durrelllrobert
Elite Nomad
Posts: 7393
Registered: 11-22-2007
Location: Punta Banda BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: thriving in Baja
|
|
..and so it did cometh to pass that it raineth for 40 days and 40 nights.
(Gen 7:12 KJV)
Bob Durrell
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64704
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by monoloco | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Yes, and it is called 'funding'... if there is no "sky is falling" paranoia, then gullible liberals won't send in money (or take working people's
money) to keep government scientists working or pretending they are more powerful than Nature.
|
So do you believe that we should just immediately declare that the climate is going to do what it's going
to do, our activities have zero effect on it, and cease funding the study of climate related science? It seems to me like it would be a valid and
important field of study whether humans are complicit or not.
[Edited on 2-16-2015 by monoloco] |
I think we should do the best we can to live well and help others by being our best. Clean energy is an awesome idea and when it is practical and
affordable I am all for it. Punishing Americans with blame, taxes, and loss of freedom is not beneficial... specially when China and other nations are
not in the least concerned with pollution and are powering up without restriction. If it's good enough for us, it should be good enough for them.
|
|
|
wessongroup
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
Member Is Offline
Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
|
|
Don't think anyone is suggesting that there hasn't been variation in climate on this planet over billions of years ...
Rather we are just talking about what is being observed and measured by science, at this time ... or at least that is what I'm talking about
As for the "river" ... all depends on who ya talk to ..
http://www.usbr.gov/uc/water/crsp/cs/gcd.html
These folks are suggesting much different numbers for the Lakes and the Colorado River in the future ... We will see at the end of 2015 how much run
off there was ... pretty hard to quantify future amounts of moisture from the "Water Cycle" on the Planet ... It is still a very big place with
million and million of variables which are all interrelated 
Given the light weather tracks we have been seeing in CA this year ... Due to a High Pressure Ridge ... it isn't looking good
And is the reason a Law was passed to restrict groundwater overdraft by limiting "pumping" from same
That is something which is hard to imagine, for anyone that has had a "water well" on their own private property IMHO
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 18007
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
while a few here may not like that I have some knowledge of the past, it doesn't make it untrue if it comes from my keyboard. To me truth is what
counts, not political or environmental New Age nonsense used to gain power over people by a vocal minority. |
dk,
i find that about half of your posts are political nonsense that present your partisan fantasies as "truth." about 40% of your posts are posts about
your baja trips, and are usually repeats from your previous posts. the remaining 10% are toyota tacoma advertisements. 
|
|
|
BajaRat
Super Nomad
Posts: 1303
Registered: 3-2-2010
Location: SW Four Corners / Bahia Asuncion BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: Ready for some salt water with my Tecate
|
|
One thing that I hope we can all agree on is man is changing the environment of the desert Southwest including Northwest Mexico and cannot remain
sustainable with its current water demands.
|
|
|
wessongroup
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
Member Is Offline
Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
|
|
Biggest use of petroleum here in the States is for "transportation"
And will be the most difficult to deal with, as we have become dependent on using: Ships, Airplanes, Trains, Trucks, and Cars for same, since Henry
Ford ... and I'm not forgetting about equipment and oil used to produce food and fiber
Progress has its positives and negatives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environment
Perhaps Apple can come out with the iCar et al ...
I'm still betting on this and these guys for the real break through
http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/supersymmetry
Not the stock market
[Edited on 2-16-2015 by wessongroup]
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 18007
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
The SW water needs could be met by building a few more aqueducts. I like the idea of taking Columbia river water. What a grand infrastructure project!
Let's tax and spend and golf in the desert! Employment and golf for all!
|
|
|
captkw
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3850
Registered: 10-19-2010
Location: el charro b.c.s.
Member Is Offline
Mood: new dog/missing the old 1
|
|
on this note..
Anyone here watch the doc called "Chasing Ice"...that will sorta end the BS !! K&T
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | Don't think anyone is suggesting that there hasn't been variation in climate on this planet over billions of years ...
Rather we are just talking about what is being observed and measured by science, at this time ... or at least that is what I'm talking about
As for the "river" ... all depends on who ya talk to ..
http://www.usbr.gov/uc/water/crsp/cs/gcd.html
These folks are suggesting much different numbers for the Lakes and the Colorado River in the future ... We will see at the end of 2015 how much run
off there was ... pretty hard to quantify future amounts of moisture from the "Water Cycle" on the Planet ... It is still a very big place with
million and million of variables which are all interrelated
Given the light weather tracks we have been seeing in CA this year ... Due to a High Pressure Ridge ... it isn't looking good
And is the reason a Law was passed to restrict groundwater overdraft by limiting "pumping" from same
That is something which is hard to imagine, for anyone that has had a "water well" on their own private property IMHO |
Wiley---------I can't get that USBR link to work, nor can I get any of the USBR links to work----------what gives??? (looks like a Govt. conspiracy
to me) (-:
Barry
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
..
25 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
