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None of those people or platforms could see the future of fracking and natural gas. I pay $4 bucks a gallon way down here in Baja Sur and people in
the U.S. now pay $2 1/2. Need a big computer to add all that up and make sense of it. You can spin it all the way back to Truman and it still makes no
sense in this century/system/culture.
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wessongroup
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Dittos Ron ...
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woody with a view
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I'm paying $4.10 in Long Beach CA.
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Osprey
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Woody, ya gotta move pal. U.S. average now is $2.76
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Quote: Originally posted by Osprey  | I will keep trying to herd some of you back to the Milankovitch cycles until you get that the earth WOBBLE changes things drastically every 26,000
years.
I don't think I'll have much success until they change the name to the O'bama cycles. Has a better ring for millions more people in confusion and
distress.
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In case you missed what I wrote-- the Milankovitch Cycles would warm the upper atmosphere...that's not happening currently...it's the lower atmosphere
that has increasing temps.
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Mexitron
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$2.36 in TX
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | People have shown so far that they are willing to do little things... but to make big changes they are too dependent on fossil fuels.
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Yes, unfortunately that is true. I was a card carrying republican back in the 80's and admit to voting for Reagan. At the time I remember thinking
that he had sent a very mistaken and negative message when it was published that Reagan had ordered the solar panels installed by his predecessor on
the White House roof to be removed. The US had the economic, industrial and technology resources at the time to be able to establish itself as a world
leader in alternative energy production. Instead, we poo-poo'd that awesome idea, ridiculed the "tree huggers" and gave big oil lobbyists a regular
spot on the presidents weekly golf foursome.
Not only did we make ourselves even MORE dependent on oil, in the process we increased the political-economical power of mid east oil barons which
further destabilized a region historically at war. And that mid east instability sucked the US into the fight to protect its "oil addiction" which in
turn has cost tens of thousands of lives, left countless crippled and after throwing trillions of dollars down that black hole, there are STILL
politicians calling for us to go back for more.
Many love to make fun of Jimmy Carter's presidency but he was 100% right on energy. If the US had heeded his warning on oil dependency and instead
embarked on a path of developing alternative energy programs, the country today would be much stronger economically, much less dependent on imported
oil and be a lot cleaner to boot.
China probably wouldn't hold the mortgage on the country either... |
Removing those solar panels were a reminder of when the very efficient rapid transit system in Los Angeles was stopped and all the tracks pulled up.
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Awww Jimmy, we need you man, come back for one more term, it's not too late......
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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TMW
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You can put up all the solar panels you want or wind generators but you still need power plants for backup. The sun don't shine at night and the wind
does not always blow. If you are talking about an individual home OK but not a US home on the grid.
Electric cars a OK for the city but you are not going on vacation in one unless you are rich and can afford a Tesla and even then it has only a 250
mile +/- range. Hydrogen, where is it. Before you say the car companies are holding it back then why don't the university brain-e-acts design and
build one.
The best we can do is regulate for better gas mileage and cleaner emissions on cars and trucks until something better comes along. We can also get rid
of coal plants and use natural gas.
I believe in nuclear power but it probably won't happen. Our nuclear polices are stupid. It is dumb that this country can't find and agree on a place
to put the waste. It is also dumb that we can't recycle the nuclear waste.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | You can put up all the solar panels you want or wind generators but you still need power plants for backup. The sun don't shine at night and the wind
does not always blow. If you are talking about an individual home OK but not a US home on the grid.
Electric cars a OK for the city but you are not going on vacation in one unless you are rich and can afford a Tesla and even then it has only a 250
mile +/- range. Hydrogen, where is it. Before you say the car companies are holding it back then why don't the university brain-e-acts design and
build one.
The best we can do is regulate for better gas mileage and cleaner emissions on cars and trucks until something better comes along. We can also get rid
of coal plants and use natural gas.
I believe in nuclear power but it probably won't happen. Our nuclear polices are stupid. It is dumb that this country can't find and agree on a place
to put the waste. It is also dumb that we can't recycle the nuclear waste. |
You have been oblivious to the plants in Mojave, San Bernardino, Gila Bend, Barstow and a couple of other places. Solar has gone way beyond the
home. People always find a reason not to...and never a reason to.
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Mexican City to Become 100 Percent Solar-Powered -- Kinda
http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/solar/photovoltaic-...
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dtbushpilot
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This has been a good exchange of thoughts and ideas, let's try to keep it that way without being insulting, we all have an opinion and that's OK.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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BajaRat
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| Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot | | This has been a good exchange of thoughts and ideas, let's try to keep it that way without being insulting, we all have an opinion and that's OK.
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How dare you 
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dtbushpilot
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How about a group hug?
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Hola SFandH,
thank you for the site but, unfortunately, the item i mentioned was not there.
I,ll keep looking.
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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kumbyah! Wind farms work....
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Mexitron
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | You can put up all the solar panels you want or wind generators but you still need power plants for backup. The sun don't shine at night and the wind
does not always blow. If you are talking about an individual home OK but not a US home on the grid.
Electric cars a OK for the city but you are not going on vacation in one unless you are rich and can afford a Tesla and even then it has only a 250
mile +/- range. Hydrogen, where is it. Before you say the car companies are holding it back then why don't the university brain-e-acts design and
build one.
The best we can do is regulate for better gas mileage and cleaner emissions on cars and trucks until something better comes along. We can also get rid
of coal plants and use natural gas.
I believe in nuclear power but it probably won't happen. Our nuclear polices are stupid. It is dumb that this country can't find and agree on a place
to put the waste. It is also dumb that we can't recycle the nuclear waste. |
Small modular nukes, like the type running on carriers, might be an option. Lockheed says they'll have a small fusion reactor market-ready in ten
years. Hydrogen has been ready for years now, just a matter of having the power sources ready to fuel it. I don't like electric cars personally--too
much heavy metals/disposal problems and what's the point if the electricity is generated by a coal plant?
There are ways to stores solar and wind power for night use--for instance PGE's reservoir turbine and pump they use for storing off peak power use.
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woody with a view
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look up Thorium powered reactor.
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TMW
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | You can put up all the solar panels you want or wind generators but you still need power plants for backup. The sun don't shine at night and the wind
does not always blow. If you are talking about an individual home OK but not a US home on the grid.
Electric cars a OK for the city but you are not going on vacation in one unless you are rich and can afford a Tesla and even then it has only a 250
mile +/- range. Hydrogen, where is it. Before you say the car companies are holding it back then why don't the university brain-e-acts design and
build one.
The best we can do is regulate for better gas mileage and cleaner emissions on cars and trucks until something better comes along. We can also get rid
of coal plants and use natural gas.
I believe in nuclear power but it probably won't happen. Our nuclear polices are stupid. It is dumb that this country can't find and agree on a place
to put the waste. It is also dumb that we can't recycle the nuclear waste. |
You have been oblivious to the plants in Mojave, San Bernardino, Gila Bend, Barstow and a couple of other places. Solar has gone way beyond the
home. People always find a reason not to...and never a reason to. |
You missed my point. There is solar but you still have to have oil, gas or coal plants available. You can't shut down these plants because solar and
wind are not reliable all the time. I am well aware of the wind farms and solar plants in So Cal.
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