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sd2hi
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David K, if you're interested in a few free drinks and some carne asada I'll be in San Diego Oct 4 (Clairemont)
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StuckSucks
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Here's a photo sphere I took at the El Tiburón Microwave towers. To the south you can see Bahia Concepcion, and to the north you can see palms around
Mulegé.
http://tinyurl.com/q82t8w8
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by sd2hi  | | David K, if you're interested in a few free drinks and some carne asada I'll be in San Diego Oct 4 (Clairemont) |
Sounds good, what's the occasion/what can I add?
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Bob and Susan
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people don't use this road everyday...there is a lot of private property too...gates
the edijo has control of the area so permission from them is respectful
the road is a path not a road...it is passable but the car will get lots of scratches...lots of rocks so expect a flat
there's no "road service" so you're on your own...its not a friendly place for the timid...
just because the map shows a dirt road doesn't make it one
I would stay away...if you want to see the area go by boat
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AKgringo
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B&S, Good information. How would one go about getting permission to access Ejido roads or beaches? Are all the gates locked privacy gates, or
are some of them ranch gates that need to be closed after passing through?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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chuckie
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Operative term from B&S "Its not a friendly place"......
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bajabuddha
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IF you're just doing the east road around the bay, there are no gates. I've been out there dozens of times; you just have to take the road closest to
the water across the South Bay, then stay to the left. All the private property gates are to the south of the bay; I've never been all the way to the
north point, only about 2/3rds of the way. It can have some nasty spots, so be prepared and loaded for bear.
Oh, they did put a gate where the road leaves the highway; it's for livestock, so leave it like you find it (cowboy rule) as in, close it behind you
if it's closed when you get there.
Again, if there's been any precipitation whatsoever in the last week to two weeks the mud flats are un-crossable, even with 4wd. If you don't
believe me, have fun trying to get un-stuck.... and take an extra pair of shoes or two.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Bob and Susan
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if a gate is closed when you get there it means "stay out" or have permission to enter
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David K
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In northern Baja, gates on rural roads that are not locked or signed are to control cattle movement and it is perfectly normal to pass through as long
as you close the gate behind you. The roads were there before the ranches, to get around.
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chippy
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Croc o chite
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AKgringo
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I was asking how to get permission, if it is required. Like Buddha, I grew up in ranch country, where ranchers frequently had rights to graze cattle
on property (and roads) that they did not own. The rule was, leave the gate like you find it!
I respect signs, so if I am not welcome, I won't enter. I just want to do some exploring without pi$$ng someone off.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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SFandH
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It's tough to pi$$-off a Mexican rancher, mellow folks, at least the couple I've met.
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bajabuddha
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Jayzus wept!! Again, just GO DRIVE THE DAMNED ROAD AND CLOSE THE DAMNED GATES BEHIND YOU.
If they're posted, then don't enter. Ranger Bob won't write you a ticket.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Jayzus wept!! Again, just GO DRIVE THE DAMNED ROAD AND CLOSE THE DAMNED GATES BEHIND YOU.
If they're posted, then don't enter. Ranger Bob won't write you a ticket. |
a great portion f this area IS NOT public land...
the "gringo" attitude is Baja is still the "wild west"and they can do anything they like...
its not...
"gringos" DO NOT and should not take advantage of this area
they are guests
the young go to college...smart...there is a new generation rising
respect is still important
the area we are talking about here is not for a rental car...and certainly not tourist friendly...there are no "ranger bob's" to assist you WHEN you
get in trouble
don't "check your brain" at the border" as so many people do
would you want someone wandering around your back yard?
...just open your back gate and walk in....I don't think so
why would you do it here
if you want to see the area take a boat and land on the many beaches and explore
if there is a fence...keep out
if there is a gate...don't go in
this is NOT rural America...respect is important
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Terry28
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We had a house at Buenaventura for 10 years, had this conversation many times with locals there....If the gates is there at all, open or closed ask
the rancher for permission.....no exceptions...Bob and Susan's answer is correct.....Just because someone else did it without asking does not make it
right....no matter how many times you did it.....
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Very cool. Thanks!
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BajaGringo
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Up here in our region of Baja, closed gates are closed for a reason. The locally accepted way is to seek permission first, prior to passing through.
Does everybody follow that?
No, but I also know that most ranchers up here carry a handgun and/or rifle in their truck. When they see someone they don't recognize on their
property nowadays, their first thought is more likely to be that it is someone moving drugs, not tourists on an off-road adventure. In some areas, the
cartels have strong armed ranch owners into giving them access and control of their remote ranches.
You just cannot be sure who or what you will find today when you go through a closed gate down here, unannounced...
YMMV
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David K
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Once the land of "Hardly Any Fences" ...
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chuckie
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Gone
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bajabuddha
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| Quote: Originally posted by Terry28 | | We had a house at Buenaventura for 10 years, had this conversation many times with locals there....If the gates is there at all, open or closed ask
the rancher for permission.....no exceptions...Bob and Susan's answer is correct.....Just because someone else did it without asking does not make it
right....no matter how many times you did it..... |
So, tell the truth, straight up, Terry....
Did you sell out to TBH, or did you back MarK?
TELL IT LIKE IT IS.
Aside from that, the road from Hwy 1 to the East Bay road is open, I've never opened or closed a single gate IN TWENTY FREAKING YEARS, other than the
recent one put on the Highway exit for livestock only. IF you stay to the left, close to the bay, NO GATES.
SOMEBODY NAME ONE GATE BETWEEN HIGHWAY ONE AND PINTURTA CAÑON, OR THE MOST MAJOR POINT ACROSS FROM COYOTE. NAME ONE GATE. I've traveled that enough
to say BS to anyone, have taken dozens of tours to Pintura Cañon pictographs, andn 15 years worth.
There is a brand of people I call "The Last Pioneers"... they move in, with lots of buck$$$, and then slam the door behind them (i.e. "NIMBY
Door-Slammers" {NIMBY= Not In My Back Yard}). I'm guilty in a lot of it from the 70's to the '90's in the expansion of "Search of Solitude" of the
desert Southwest of the U.S., and I realized i'm an integral part of it, because I came , saw, and shared. The rest is history, same as Baja. Some
come and with LOTS of money, build a lighthouse and then dictate how things should be. THE LAST PIONEER: NOW THE DOOR IS LOCKED, I AM THE LAST.
Fine, keep your power structure to yourself.
I'll continue travelling to the Cañon Pinturas and the abandoned Ranchero watertanks, and Baja (Suzie? Sally?)'s old ruins until you pry my cold
dead hands off my steering wheel. Until then, I strongly suggest, as in all Gringolandias in Baja, that you tend to your own propriedades and
quit trying to rule everyone elses.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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