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LancairDriver
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Correct. Not only on the Great Plains but all over the country. A friend who raises strawberries on the Oxnard plain recently had to spend $450,000 to
deepen and bring a well into current compliance. I would think we are coming to the bottom of the well very rapidly.
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  | | DK? NO the water levels are NOT fine and are not the same as they have been the past 60 years...Out here on the great plains our watertables are
dropping at an amazing rate due to depletion and not enough moisture to replenish them...I am not talking centimeters but feet...Lots of wells have
had to be deepened or pipes dropped to reach the water table....Scary.... |
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bufeo
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Correct. Not only on the Great Plains but all over the country. A friend who raises strawberries on the Oxnard plain recently had to spend $450,000 to
deepen and bring a well into current compliance. I would think we are coming to the bottom of the well very rapidly. |
And I'll bet salinity is your friends new worry. Rancher friends of ours in the Santa Maria area have had to abandon two of their deep wells because
the salt was ruining their crops.
Allen R
(Edited because my response was not about sea level changes.)
[Edited on 8-28-2015 by bufeo]
[Edited on 9-7-2015 by BajaNomad]
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Mexitron
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Star Trek is about as socialist/communist as you can get-- a government run spaceship crewed by people who get no money, only payment is the
satisfaction of bettering themselves. Free healthcare, free education.....what are you thinking David, LOL! (I'm actually a big fan but, heh, they've
never quite gone in to the details of how humanity came to that kind of economy).
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gnukid
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If you are concerned why not do something about it? Speak up get involved. There are visible identifiable manipulations that cause changes to the
water table, rain fall, ice, and sea levels.
Why leave it up to EPA, NOAA, DARPA, DOD etc to manage and control when the result is weaponization of the atmosphere and control of the weather.
Geo-engineering of weather involves using planes to spray fine particulate and conductive matter in the sky and high frequency arrays previously known
as HAARP now being replaced by Sea based x band radar.
General info (do your own research)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-based_X-band_Radar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_...
The technology is publicly documented and provides many uses for the military.
Give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the
military through at least 1986)
Replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact
technology
Be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system
Provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working
Provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible
to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements
Be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area
Be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete
Control rain, ice, temperature for economic or strategic gain.
etc...
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bufeo
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Many of us already are involved and have been for a long time.
Allen R
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chuckie
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OK, Lets git er dun....And while we are at it, cure cancer, get the Jews and the Muslims to love each other and make my ex wives quit buggin me.....
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chuckie
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As to getting involved, farmers and ranchers have been involved for a long time, changing irrigation technology, diversifying crops trying to slow
down this loss. Doing real things, not touting pie in the sky stuff. And as far as "letting" the EPA manage things, we seem to have little
choice....as is the fact with all the government agencies that hinder and interfere with logical process. While many of us are struggling trying to
deal with this problem, we see on Colorados front range, more and more subdivisions with look at me homes and golf courses sucking up water....and
more water...and more water.....
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David K
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What a way to flip or spin what I say here! Sea water levels not ground water tabels in Kansas! Wow, that is quite a stretch to try and discredit a
statement of actual observation. There are photos of the same palm trees, on the beach on Bahia Concepcion taken in the 1950's as can be seen today,
same place, same height above sea level. Lots, homes and streets in San Diego County built just after WWII just above sea level are still there, just
above sea level. Homes change, but not the lot or street.
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bufeo
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | OK, Lets git er dun....And while we are at it, cure cancer, get the Jews and the Muslims to love each other and make my ex wives quit buggin me.....
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Well, let's see. In order presented:
Cancer http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2015/08/27/heres-how-...
Jews and Muslims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=481yOnMvtV8
Your ex wives....well, I don't have a clue. 
Allen R
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chuckie
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I do ,but it aint legal....
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gnukid
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If it was just about "water" or "temperature" people could migrate to locations where there is more water and cooler to the north.
But that issue is much more endemic. The Military industrial complex is a profit and control machine that can't stop. The planes you see flying
overhead spitting out white lines that fade into a haze, throughout remote baja, are spraying aerosol metals particulate aluminum, barium etc. that
harm the land and sea and reduce our ability to produce food and of course alter the weather and harm our bodies. It is highly damaging to the
ecosystem and to ourselves.
The propaganda about man-made carbon as a driver for the global climate is pure b.s. distraction from the massive attack on our environment for
economic and power benefit.
If people on this forum cared about the environment they would not be here beating up DK who is simply sharing his experience and observations, or
making snide comments about wives. If people were serious they would be actively working to inform the group about the damage caused by the military
weaponization of weather using chemicals that harm people globally.
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chuckie
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Why should we work your agenda? What would I know about the alleged "weaponization of weather"...My comments about my ex wives are not "snide"...Your
military industrial complex conspiracy? What are you going to do about it? You, not me.....Tell us please....What are you going to do about
it....?????
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bajacamper
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The 4 or 5 Marx brothers are at it again. Do not confuse them with facts. Another "scientific" computer model is what is needed. Just the ticket to
clarify global warming issues for the geezer gallery.
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bajabuddha
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It ain't the MIC that's causing all the air pollution from aircraft; there are over ONE MILLION PEOPLE in the air, flying, at any given time over the
globe. There was a map recently that showed all the airways at any given time above the earth of just commercial travel; that's a lot of Co2 in
itself, let alone private enterprise pumping from factories, Big Oil from refineries, and the MIC....
and Gnukid, far's ex-wives are concerned, pizz on ya if you can't take a joke; a little humor makes this hogwash a little more palatable to some of
us. Lighten up, dude. I and anyone else will write what we damned well please. I know, you will too. Far's DK is concerned, he's earned
everything he's received.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | Correct. Not only on the Great Plains but all over the country. A friend who raises strawberries on the Oxnard plain recently had to spend $450,000 to
deepen and bring a well into current compliance. I would think we are coming to the bottom of the well very rapidly.
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They're drilling deep in the Central Valley to get ground water. The shallow aquifers are dry so now they're going into the deep aquifers at big
expense. One news report said they're pumping up 1000 year old water. This is causing the shallow aquifers above to collapse because of lack of
support beneath, forever reducing their capacities, and damaging surface structures because of ground subsidence, especially canals carrying water,
which makes the water problems worse.
Many videos made by Central Valley news orgs on Youtube if you're interested.
Pray to your favorite deity for lots of rain and snow this winter.
list of rain deities
[Edited on 8-28-2015 by SFandH]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
The planes you see flying overhead spitting out white lines that fade into a haze, throughout remote baja, are spraying aerosol metals particulate
aluminum, barium etc. that harm the land and sea and reduce our ability to produce food and of course alter the weather and harm our bodies. It is
highly damaging to the ecosystem and to ourselves.
If people were serious they would be actively working to inform the group about the damage caused by the military weaponization of weather using
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Where is your link pointing to the facts you state with regard to the contrails from commercial aircraft flying over Baja (or anywhere else)?
"Jets leave white trails, or contrails, in their wakes for the same reason you can sometimes see your breath. The hot, humid exhaust from jet engines
mixes with the atmosphere, which at high altitude is of much lower vapor pressure and temperature than the exhaust gas. The water vapor contained in
the jet exhaust condenses and may freeze, and this mixing process forms a cloud very similar to the one your hot breath makes on a cold day.
Jet engine exhaust contains carbon dioxide, oxides of sulfur and nitrogen, unburned fuel, soot and metal particles, as well as water vapor. The soot
provides condensation sites for the water vapor. Any particles present in the air provide additional sites.
Depending on a plane¿s altitude, and the temperature and humidity of the atmosphere, contrails may vary in their thickness, extent and duration. The
nature and persistence of jet contrails can be used to predict the weather. A thin, short-lived contrail indicates low-humidity air at high altitude,
a sign of fair weather, whereas a thick, long-lasting contrail reflects humid air at high altitudes and can be an early indicator of a storm.
The mixing gases contained in the contrail rotate with respect to the ambient air. These regions of rotating flow are called vortices. (Any sharp
surface, such as the tip of a wing, can cause vortical flow in its wake if it is sufficiently large or the flow is sufficiently fast.) On occasion,
these trailing vortices may interact with one another."
www.scientificamerican.com › More Science › Ask the Experts
Bob Durrell
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chuckie
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OK? So what are you gonna do about it? Answer, nothing....This Sunday a bunch of farmers and ranchers will be meeting at Beechers Island, Colorado to
plan the next phase of the water conservation watershed restoration program in the Republican River basin. The "Three Rivers Alliance" promotes good
stewardship of water land and wildlife. No Scientific articles quoted, no conspiracies just a bunch of folks organizing work parties, donating time
and tractors, working with conservationists to help the basin. Actual work will be done over the next 12 months, get that? WORK....making something
happen...Sunday we will have a BBQ, drink some beer, collect pledges and once again, "git er dun"....My ex wives likely wont help....neither will the
gummint, we don't ask...
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: Originally posted by bufeo | | Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Correct. Not only on the Great Plains but all over the country. A friend who raises strawberries on the Oxnard plain recently had to spend $450,000 to
deepen and bring a well into current compliance. I would think we are coming to the bottom of the well very rapidly. |
And I'll bet salinity is your friends new worry. Rancher friends of ours in the Santa Maria area have had to abandon two of their deep wells because
the salt was ruining their crops.
Allen R
(Edited because my response was not about sea level changes.)
[Edited on 8-28-2015 by bufeo] |
Actually seawater intrusion has been a problem in that area for a long time. Probably made worse by the close proximity to the ocean. Millions have
been spent trying to divert rain water into the aquifer with limited success.
[Edited on 9-7-2015 by BajaNomad]
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wessongroup
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | OK, Lets git er dun....And while we are at it, cure cancer, get the Jews and the Muslims to love each other and make my ex wives quit buggin me.....
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And Dittos on the "growers" ... they can't do a thing with out it and the pumping costs get pretty big with those deep wells ... not even considering
"quality"
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert |
Where is your link pointing to the facts you state with regard to the contrails from commercial aircraft flying over Baja (or anywhere else)?
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durrelllrobert, here you go.
chemtrails
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