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dtbushpilot
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I have traveled to many countries across the globe, it never occurred to me to look for signs along the highway informing me of visa requirements of
the next country on my itinerary....maybe I could have saved a lot of time researching the requirements and being sure I was in compliance before I
showed up on the other side of the border.  
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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David K
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Only two countries can American drive into... only two.
A few years ago signs were added just north of the Mexican border alerting that guns and ammo are illegal in Mexico. That rule was in place long
before those signs went up.
Now, a few here are all worked up about some American driving to San Quintin or elsewhere in Baja ILLEGALLY as EVERYONE (they report) must have an FMM
if they are a foreign tourist.
I offer an easy solution... a simple sign like the guns & ammo one IF this is a big violation you guys are concerned about.
Seriously, if Mexico was that concerned over every American tourist having an FMM, don't you think it would be put into place at the border or at
least south of the border cities like it was before?
Do you like to nag about the law or law breakers rather than find a solution for it?
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Bajahowodd
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Signs along the major highways just short of the border clearly state that no guns are allowed.
I will most likely be attacked by some, but I have to say that I was born and raised in New York, and lived most of my adult life in the greater Los
Angeles area and have never owned a gun. Never fired a gun, except in amusement parks. Never felt unsafe.
So, I'm obviously out of touch with reality.
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mtgoat666
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It would be much easier if we could all carry our ID in a subdermal microchip, we would never forget our passport at home! Never lose it to a
pickpocket!
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  | Signs along the major highways just short of the border clearly state that no guns are allowed.
I will most likely be attacked by some, but I have to say that I was born and raised in New York, and lived most of my adult life in the greater Los
Angeles area and have never owned a gun. Never fired a gun, except in amusement parks. Never felt unsafe.
So, I'm obviously out of touch with reality. |
Me three.
But I understand there are a lot of fraidy cats and poorly endowed that feel braver and bigger when they carry a gun,...
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Only two countries can American drive into... only two.
A few years ago signs were added just north of the Mexican border alerting that guns and ammo are illegal in Mexico. That rule was in place long
before those signs went up.
Now, a few here are all worked up about some American driving to San Quintin or elsewhere in Baja ILLEGALLY as EVERYONE (they report) must have an FMM
if they are a foreign tourist.
I offer an easy solution... a simple sign like the guns & ammo one IF this is a big violation you guys are concerned about.
Seriously, if Mexico was that concerned over every American tourist having an FMM, don't you think it would be put into place at the border or at
least south of the border cities like it was before?
Do you like to nag about the law or law breakers rather than find a solution for it? |
I realize that you haven't traveled extensively David but there are lots of countries where Americans can drive from one to another. I've been
fortunate to have been able to do it in Europe, central and South America, I don't recall seeing any signs referring to visa requirements of the next
country but maybe there were some and I didn't understand the language.......but I doubt it.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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rts551
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What is so hard about a passport David? I don't understand your preoccupation with this. Mexico makes it pretty easy I think. It could be like the
USA where on-demand tourist permits are not allowed.
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Mary Ann
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | It would be much easier if we could all carry our ID in a subdermal microchip, we would never forget our passport at home! Never lose it to a
pickpocket!
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You already do, "they" just tell us it's a vaccination.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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BajaBlanca
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Sancho and bajaguy have it down.
it is our responsibility to know and follow what is required to enter another country. PERIOD. I cannot believe anyone would say just drive on
through. and what the gvt. spends (or pockets) the money on is none of our beeswax.
So many countries allow us - as dt said - to cross borders by car but we have to be in compliance with their laws.
and really...some of you are saying that if illegals can get across the US border without paperwork, and there are no signs posted every step of the
way, then they are OK? I sure hope not.
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sancho
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A most astute reply, DK for some reason. known only to him,
has had it in for Mex Imm's SIMPLE request for visitors to
check in when visiting their Country.
His view is that
Mex should be extremely grateful for us Gringos visiting, in
some cases, contributing nada to the tourism industry SOB. I view it as a privledge to have Baja so close, so a small
request by Mex Imm, I'm glad to comply
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Only two countries can American drive into... only two.
A few years ago signs were added just north of the Mexican border alerting that guns and ammo are illegal in Mexico. That rule was in place long
before those signs went up.
Now, a few here are all worked up about some American driving to San Quintin or elsewhere in Baja ILLEGALLY as EVERYONE (they report) must have an FMM
if they are a foreign tourist.
I offer an easy solution... a simple sign like the guns & ammo one IF this is a big violation you guys are concerned about.
Seriously, if Mexico was that concerned over every American tourist having an FMM, don't you think it would be put into place at the border or at
least south of the border cities like it was before?
Do you like to nag about the law or law breakers rather than find a solution for it? |
I realize that you haven't traveled extensively David but there are lots of countries where Americans can drive from one to another. I've been
fortunate to have been able to do it in Europe, central and South America, I don't recall seeing any signs referring to visa requirements of the next
country but maybe there were some and I didn't understand the language.......but I doubt it. |
Hi David,
Sorry, it wasn't clear about what I meant about Americans driving only to two countries (Mex and Can)... but that was meant to be from America, not
Americans driving in other countries.
Me, not traveled extensively?
Besides many states, Mexico, and Canada:
Fiji
New Zealand
Australia (I lived there for 6 months)
Hong Kong
Japan
Egypt
Greece
Italy
Vatican City
Switzerland
Germany
Luxembourg
France
U.K.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by sancho |
A most astute reply, DK for some reason. known only to him,
has had it in for Mex Imm's SIMPLE request for visitors to
check in when visiting their Country.
His view is that
Mex should be extremely grateful for us Gringos visiting, in
some cases, contributing nada to the tourism industry SOB. I view it as a privledge to have Baja so close, so a small
request by Mex Imm, I'm glad to comply
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Again, misunderstand me totally. I am all for obeying the migra laws. It was mentioned how many are not getting FMMs and I contend it isn't totally
intentional.
Since you are able to drive right into another country... and if you get the green light, be in it without any questioning, how hard is it to have one
sign, even inside Mexico if not before the border saying the FMM is needed?
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | What is so hard about a passport David? I don't understand your preoccupation with this. Mexico makes it pretty easy I think. It could be like the
USA where on-demand tourist permits are not allowed. |
How do you get this or are you just trolling by misrepresenting what I have said here? I have advocated have BOTH a passport and passport card in all
these current threads.
1) Have the passport and passport card (if you have both).
2) Obtain the FMM at the border or validate the one you bought in advance, at the border.
3) Spend money at businesses in Mexico and tip kindly for good service everywhere.
4) Enjoy the history of Old California, it started in Baja!
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by sancho |
A most astute reply, DK for some reason. known only to him,
has had it in for Mex Imm's SIMPLE request for visitors to
check in when visiting their Country.
His view is that
Mex should be extremely grateful for us Gringos visiting, in
some cases, contributing nada to the tourism industry SOB. I view it as a privledge to have Baja so close, so a small
request by Mex Imm, I'm glad to comply
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Again, misunderstand me totally. I am all for obeying the migra laws. It was mentioned how many are not getting FMMs and I contend it isn't totally
intentional.
Since you are able to drive right into another country... and if you get the green light, be in it without any questioning, how hard is it to have one
sign, even inside Mexico if not before the border saying the FMM is needed? |
"isn't totally intentional" isn't that like "kinda pregnant".
Responsibility David. Its called personal responsibility.
[Edited on 2-1-2016 by rts551]
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David K
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So, kinda like a speed trap...? Hide (or don't post) the sign and then getting busted for speeding, "because you should have known the law".
See, I am for helping people know BEFORE instead of punishing them AFTER for not knowing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd | Signs along the major highways just short of the border clearly state that no guns are allowed.
I will most likely be attacked by some, but I have to say that I was born and raised in New York, and lived most of my adult life in the greater Los
Angeles area and have never owned a gun. Never fired a gun, except in amusement parks. Never felt unsafe.
So, I'm obviously out of touch with reality. |
Me three.
But I understand there are a lot of fraidy cats and poorly endowed that feel braver and bigger when they carry a gun,... |
Goat- You speak like you have first hand knowledge in profiling the "poorly
endowed"
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willardguy
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | So, kinda like a speed trap...? Hide (or don't post) the sign and then getting busted for speeding, "because you should have known the law".
See, I am for helping people know BEFORE instead of punishing them AFTER for not knowing. |
kind of like seeing that smiling sun is a warning to just keep scrolling?
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BigBearRider
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Come on, guys. It makes perfect sense for Mexico to put up a sign to let people know how to abide by the law and obtain the FMM. (Perhaps especially
so since FMM's were only "sorta" required in the recent past.)
[Edited on 2-1-2016 by BigBearRider]
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Romano
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How many of those were after the age of six, David?
And of all those (Vatican City, really?) how many allowed you to drive in without a visa and a check? Or did you drive in those countries?
Before the Schengen agreement, I can guarantee you that driving between European countries was much harder that for a gringo to drive into Mexico. And
don't even talk about New Zealand. They don't want foreigners at all, except for tourist and a few other exceptions. They are terrified aliens will
use their social resources.
The real question, whcih you seem to want to miss, is that individuals are responsible for their actions. How can you make arguments against welfare
and taking care of your countrymen/women because they need to learn personal responsibility, and then try to make the case that crossing the border
without needed is papers "is not their fault"? Talk about BIZARRO!
Whether it was on purpose or by accident, makes no difference whatsoever. It's their responsibility. Not much more to say.
[Edited on 2-1-2016 by Romano]
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