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I think arresting the driver is standard procedure in Mexico, unless there is clear evidence the the person killed was at fault, like running in front
of the on coming race car. There have been cases where a race driver has run into spectators and killed someone and the team gets them out of the
country ASAP. This has happened several times over the years. I remember at one Baja 500 race one of the Balwin boys ran into a crowd and daddy Jim
had him flown out in their helo.
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The corner where the accident happened is a nasty one. You are coming off of pavement wanting to accelerate into the wash. Its off-camber and
slippery. Site of numerous accidents over the years. In this case it appears the driver just missed the turn and then tried to accelerate his way
out of it as he slid down the bank.
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OK, I guess there were two unrelated incidents that the lousy automatic translation of the newspaper article led me to incorrectly think were
related.
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Do not know what you read but this video will give you an excellent perspective of what happened. First trucks through negotiate the curve properly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbCpAZ8uBs
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by rts551  |
Yes sir. Pure Bull. Deaths in Chicago have no relevance to racing in Baja. In fact, deaths in Chicago have no relevance to Baja what so ever.
Unless we can convince David to start taking his vacations in Illinois. |
Selective reading?
1) Mt.Goat666 connected Baja racing to body counts.
2) I responded to what is an actual published body count and made the argument that doing anything in Baja is still safer than daily life in a U.S.
city (like Chicago).
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SFandH
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Thanks.
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Ateo
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And this link shows the true horror of the aftermath for every person involved:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDSrHD0pA0
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | The corner where the accident happened is a nasty one. You are coming off of pavement wanting to accelerate into the wash. Its off-camber and
slippery. Site of numerous accidents over the years. |
And yet they still route the race through there.
Hmm.................Somebody is not thinking. Criminal negligence.
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And here's Penhall (45X) crashing after battling Colton. Kendall gets out of the chopper and takes over the bike.
https://youtu.be/jlo-Ef2Kdt0
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DK? STFU.....STILL BULL
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy | The Municipality, SCORE, the racers, the spectators, the parents????
Everybody has a part
Most "accidents" are the result of a chain of failures |
In this phot from Elvigia you can clearly see that there was a rope barrier put up by ? and the people that werestruck were on the wrong side of it.
However, like ElChappo told the judge at his first trial " It's not my fault that I shot that guy. he shouldn't have been where he could get shot."
Bob Durrell
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Bob. That's police tape. They put it up after the accident. Maybe delete your post as to not spread more misinformation.
[Edited on 6-5-2016 by Ateo]
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Well, that's good logic...
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Has anyone seen a statement from SCORE as yet? They were going to have one today....
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Editorial
From El Viga
http://www.elvigia.net/general/2016/6/5/bajas-bajas-238520.h...
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This was posted today from score:
In the interest of maximum clarity, here is the complete and exact official statement regarding the fatalities from race organizing outfit SCORE
International:
“The closing time on the race course was delayed by one hour, 10 minutes as SCORE and local officials worked on the aftermath of an accident early
during the start of the cars, trucks and UTVs involving a race truck within a half mile of the start. Racer Todd Pedersen, Orem, Utah, while
negotiating a turn entering the Ensenada wash and attempting to avoid some fans, eventually hit three spectators. An eight-year old boy was fatally
injured in the accident, according to police on the scene. He was transported to an Ensenada hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.
The boy’s mother was hospitalized and is reported in stable condition at a hospital in Ensenada with head and leg injuries. The identities of the two
victims were not released.
In the first racer fatality, Pro Moto Unlimited rider Travis Livingston, 34, of Palmdale, Calif., crashed at race mile 288.9. When SCORE medical
personnel arrived, while attempting to stabilize him, Livingston went into cardiac arrest and could not be revived.
In the second racer fatality, Sportsman Moto rider Noah Evermann, 34, of Alaska, was found dead near his motorcycle at race mile 180.9 by another race
team.
No further information was released regarding all three accidents as all three are still being investigated by Ensenada Municipal Police.”
Added 2nd paragraph on edit.
[Edited on 6-6-2016 by fandango]
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Score's statement did not even express condolences or an ounce of compassion. Just cold hard facts.
That says a lot about score.
| Quote: Originally posted by fandango | This was posted today from score:
In the interest of maximum clarity, here is the complete and exact official statement regarding the fatalities from race organizing outfit SCORE
International:
“The closing time on the race course was delayed by one hour, 10 minutes as SCORE and local officials worked on the aftermath of an accident early
during the start of the cars, trucks and UTVs involving a race truck within a half mile of the start. Racer Todd Pedersen, Orem, Utah, while
negotiating a turn entering the Ensenada wash and attempting to avoid some fans, eventually hit three spectators. An eight-year old boy was fatally
injured in the accident, according to police on the scene. He was transported to an Ensenada hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.
The boy’s mother was hospitalized and is reported in stable condition at a hospital in Ensenada with head and leg injuries. The identities of the two
victims were not released.
In the first racer fatality, Pro Moto Unlimited rider Travis Livingston, 34, of Palmdale, Calif., crashed at race mile 288.9. When SCORE medical
personnel arrived, while attempting to stabilize him, Livingston went into cardiac arrest and could not be revived.
In the second racer fatality, Sportsman Moto rider Noah Evermann, 34, of Alaska, was found dead near his motorcycle at race mile 180.9 by another race
team.
No further information was released regarding all three accidents as all three are still being investigated by Ensenada Municipal Police.”
Added 2nd paragraph on edit.
[Edited on 6-6-2016 by fandango] |
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Noah Evermann video
I did not know Noah, but I found this film that he posted;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVl_5UMm8k
For what it is worth, that is what the conditions are like up here right now. I can't even imagine pushing through the dessert in 100+ temperatures!
More on Noah, he was a military dog handler and served in Iraq; https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&...
[Edited on 6-6-2016 by AKgringo]
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http://www.sltrib.com/news/3971513-155/vivint-ceo-pederson-i...
Pedersen released a statement addressing the crash that reads: "I'm devastated by the tragic accident that happened this weekend. My heart goes out to
the family at this time."
Two other racers died in unrelated incidents during the weekend's events.
The Utah-based Vivint Inc., which Pedersen founded in 1999 under the name APX Alarm, primarily sells home security systems.
Now this:
PROVO — The CEO of Utah County-based home security company Vivint was back in the United States Monday following a weekend crash during a race in
Mexico that resulted in the death of an 8-year-old boy.
Juan Manuel Yepiz, spokesman for the State Attorney's office in Ensenada, Baja, said Todd Pedersen was released from custody Sunday after reportedly
being detained by authorities following the crash. A spokeswoman for Vivint confirmed Monday that Pedersen was back in the United States.
On Saturday, Pedersen was driving an off-road truck in the 48th annual SCORE Baja 500 near Ensenada. About a half-mile from the start, his vehicle
failed to negotiate a sharp turn. Videos posted on YouTube from spectators show the truck sliding down a steep embankment and into a ravine where
spectators were watching the race.
According to a statement released Sunday from race officials, "Racer Todd Pedersen, Orem, Utah, while negotiating a turn entering the Ensenada wash
and attempting to avoid some fans, eventually hit three spectators."
Three people, including an 8-year-old boy, were injured. The boy was transported to an Ensenada hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The
boy's mother was hospitalized with head and leg injuries but was reported in stable condition Sunday, race officials said. Information on the third
victim was not immediately available.
The race course was lined with spectators. On social media, many people reacted to the crash by citing a lack of crowd control, noting that others
have crashed in years past on the same curve that Pedersen slid off and that it was not an area where spectators should have been standing.
Race officials declined Sunday to say whether the crowd was inside or outside the designated spectator area, but Ensenada Municipal Police were still
investigating the incident Sunday.
Yepiz said Monday that the incident would likely be classified as a bad accident and not an intentional criminal act, but that it was still an "open
process" and that authorities in Mexico would continue to investigate whether negligence was involved.
He said the investigation could also be resolved if Pedersen reaches a monetary settlement with those involved in the crash. If the families decline
the settlement, the investigation would continue, Yepiz said.
Pedersen released a brief statement Sunday regarding the accident.
"I'm devastated by the tragic accident that happened this weekend. My heart goes out to the family at this time," he said.
[Edited on 6-6-2016 by Sweetwater]
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After watching that video maybe 20 times I still can't understand what that driver was doing. It's not like he came around that corner going 70mph.
That's one of the most famous turns in the race. I can close my eyes and see it right now.
What happened? Why?
Condolences to all involved and to the 1000's of lives that were intertwined with the deceased.
I hope they find solace.
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