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Bajazly
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So I have been talking with Jose and this is how things went. Mexicali Jose arrived Sunday about 2 PM and we got there about 3. We were greeted with
the usual beer in hand hug and we talked for just a few minutes and Pancho left for his house. Jose said Pancho was not very well and we noticed that
too. Estefania and I had some beers with Jose and went off to set up camp. It got dark and I thought it was strange Panchos was dark and he had not
come down to see us. The next morning I talked to Jose and he was going to go over and check on Pancho which he did thru out the day, Pancho pretty
much slept all day but was up and over at Joses late Monday afternoon. Again, when the sun went down, Panchos was dark. That day Jose told me Pancho
had tripped over a rock and hit the ground flat on his chest. That would turn out to be pivotal.
On Tuesday morning I saw Pancho moving around but when a big group of Can Ams pulled in, he never got up out of his chair. One of them asked me if he
was in a wheelchair. After their departure we talked and decided ranchero Jose would be the one to drive Pancho to GN hospital. We loaded Pancho in
the truck, filled it with gas and off they went GN. Pancho died in the truck before they reached the hospital.
Apparently he had been in pain for a couple weeks but never said anything. He had a gastric ulcer from beer and beer and tequila and not eating, that
burst when he hit the ground. Jose was going to stay until today waiting for Panchos return and when he got to Bahia that is when he sent me the text
of what had happened.
Tomorrow they will transport Panchos body back to Bahia where he will be laid to rest. Jose and I tried to get a cremation but due to Mexican law and
logistics getting him to a crematorium, time has run out and they are all ready to bury him tomorrow in Bahia.
Mexicali Jose is making plans for a memorial of some sort there at the snail bed and it sounds like rancho Jose has a handle on keeping the place safe
and intact because he controls all the water out there. When Jose gets a memorial plan together I plan on going down to help him build it and will
pass on any info here if anyone is interested and available to come down.
This is truly a sad time in Baja history. Pancho was 68 years old and I am proud to have had him as my friend.
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
Bajazly, August 2019
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David K
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Sunday night (last night) at 10:05 pm, I received this text from Antonio, the person in Guerrero Negro who has been sharing information with me for
you all:
"Hi Dave, today asked and told me that somebody from Ensenada will come tomorrow (Monday) to take Pancho to be buried. Pancho is still at Guerrero
Negro."
[based on a u2u I got last night, and before reading Nomad this morning, I asked Antonio if there was a Crematorium in Guerrero Negro and that there
were people who would take Pancho's ashes to his beach]
[Edited on 6-25-2018 by David K]
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David K
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Monday Morning Update
From Antonio, Guerrero Negro:
"Good morning Dave, the nearest crematoriums are at Ensenada and Villa Constitución, but they are very expensive. I talked to the funerary and they
said that at Tijuana is less expensive. The amount is 1500 US dls the ashes taken to Bahia de los Angeles. Let me know if I can help you more. I'll be
glad"
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Paco Facullo
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Why the need for cremation ?
I would think a burial at Bahia San Rafael would be quite fitting.
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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David K
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I think for anyone, to transport a jar is far more doable than a body in a casket. Also, coyotes are very likely to dig up a body if it isn't super
deep, right?
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Paco Facullo
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Well transporting the body to either crematorium place is further than to Bahia San Rafael so me thinks that is a moot point. I could be wrong though
?
As for the coyotes,
yes a deep grave is a must. A bag of lime would help though.
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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John Harper
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Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. I wouldn't really care if a coyote ate my bones, it's organic and biodegradable. Not much use for them after I'm gone
anyway.
John
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  | Well transporting the body to either crematorium place is further than to Bahia San Rafael so me thinks that is a moot point. I could be wrong though
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As for the coyotes,
yes a deep grave is a must. A bag of lime would help though. |
I was presuming that would be done in Guerrero Negro when I said that. It sounds like it will be done today... so as I get fresh news, I will share
when I can.
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Paco Facullo
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The outlaw Josey Wales said .. "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms".
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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Enrique2012
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Something tells me this would be a deserving way to dispose of your carcass, but Pancho's body deserves more respect.
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TMW
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The price to cremate is not much different in Baja than the US. Greenlawn here in Bakersfield charges $1600.
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | The price to cremate is not much different in Baja than the US. Greenlawn here in Bakersfield charges $1600. |
It should be much less. I paid 1300 usd in Encinitas Ca. 2013. I paid 365 usd in Apatzingan Mich. 2012. Maybe its the transportation fee added into
it?
[Edited on 5-14-2018 by chippy]
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DavidT
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. I wouldn't really care if a coyote ate my bones, it's organic and biodegradable. Not much use for them after I'm gone
anyway.
John |
Edward Abbey burial
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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TMW
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| Quote: Originally posted by chippy | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | The price to cremate is not much different in Baja than the US. Greenlawn here in Bakersfield charges $1600. |
It should be much less. I paid 1300 usd in Encinitas Ca. 2013. I paid 365 usd in Apatzingan Mich. 2012. Maybe its the transportation fee added into
it?
[Edited on 5-14-2018 by chippy] |
Greenlawn quoted me $3600 for a burial in a cheap casket, that included the plot.
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Udo
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When I needed to cremate my sister's ashes, I was directed to a crematorium in Chula Vista, Ca. They charged me $850.00 USD last year.
| Quote: Originally posted by chippy | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | The price to cremate is not much different in Baja than the US. Greenlawn here in Bakersfield charges $1600. |
It should be much less. I paid 1300 usd in Encinitas Ca. 2013. I paid 365 usd in Apatzingan Mich. 2012. Maybe its the transportation fee added into
it?
[Edited on 5-14-2018 by chippy] |
Udo
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Bajazly
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Jose texted me this morning and said Pancho was taken to Bahia and will be buried today. That was about lunch time so I assume he is now in his final
resting place.
Thank you for your help David. Mexican law on burial is very strict and time had pretty much run out for anything but placing him in a grave.
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
Bajazly, August 2019
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Bajazly
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Today from Jose. My heart is sad.
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
Harald Pietschmann
"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
Bajazly, August 2019
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David K
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Vaya Con Dios Amigo Pancho
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Paco Facullo
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Thank goodness some kind Hombre through a pair of shades on Pancho,
that sun was getting kinda bright ..................
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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Paco Facullo
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It would be nice to pick a day soon to have a sort of remembrance/send-off/get- together of Nomads and throw a "Poncho fiesta" of sorts to remember
one of Baja's true legends.
There should be a BBQ, music, beer & Tequila, fire pit and dancing involved.
I know I would try my best to make it as I would love to meet some of you Nomads in person and it surely would be a great time !
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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