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Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  | | Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper |
At Cancun on the mainland many reports of Canadians and Americans not being allowed to enter Mexico and being sent home immediately for crimes up to
10 years old ....Seems Mexico is now linked to the Interpol Data Base........ |
I would say compared to Canada's and the USA's dated and extreme custom border polices, Mexico has the most reasonable border crossing polices.
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It is not unreasonable for a sovereign country, to ask that any crosser follow the established regulations for entry.
Because Mexico often does not enforce this regulation, does not negate the need to obtain that permission, prior to entry.
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DaliDali, do you ever stand up to unfairness, or do you always go along with the status quo, no matter how unfair, outdated or ridiculous a law,
rule, or policy is?
Your President, who you seem to love so much, is currently trying to change NAFTA to more favorable terms for the US, and if not, just dump it and
ruin the economies of all three countries.
So why can't the rest of us, complain against such outdated and asinine laws that are still on the books in Canada and the US in regards to border
crossings?
In Canada, they want to block US citizens who in the past were convicted of a misdemeanor DUI, which doesn't have a time frame, so they could actually
keep you out of Canada, if you show up at the border, and they find out you have a DUI conviction as an young adult, 10 years, 20, years, and maybe
even 40 years ago!
Not to be outdone by sheer stupidity, are the jack booted thugs, better known as US Custom officers, who sometimes ask Canadians, do you smoke
marijuana, or have you ever smoked marijuana?
If the answer, if yes, the jack booted thugs in the US want to bar you for life from crossing into the US, even in US states where Marijuana is legal
like Washington, and in Canada where recreational marijuana, will be totality legal in a few days.
This is because the US Attorney General, Jeff Session, who is so out of touch, is still pushing the Federal law, that makes marijuana illegal and he
still wants to crack down. ( thank God, to a US Senator, who complained to Trump, and made Sessions, back down a little bit)
The current Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, has admitted to smoking marijuana in the past, when he becomes a private citizen, under US law,
he could be barred from entering the US!
I think while the US and Canada, are in negotiations over NAFTA, they should also update their border crossing laws to at least be as fair as Mexico's
laws.
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"................The current Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, has admitted to smoking marijuana in the past, when he becomes a private
citizen, under US law, he could be barred from entering the US!........."
GREAT IDEA!!!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
DaliDali, do you ever stand up to unfairness, or do you always go along with the status quo, no matter how unfair, outdated or ridiculous a law,
rule, or policy is?
Mexico's laws. |
Mexico is fair...requires a passport and a form of visa to enter.
Canada is fair....requires a passport and a form of visa to enter
USA is fair.....requires a passport and a form of visa to enter.
Visa waiver countries want a passport.
A "form" of visa can be anything from a stamp on the passport dictating the time of stay, to a full on Consulate approved visa.
All three have long established regulations for means of entry into their countries......often modified to be more strict or more lax, as the times
dictate.
Not outdated whatsoever to ask border crossers to obtain the proper documents to pass on freely.
'Mexico can take away freedom of movement and the loss of assets for disregarding their immigration regulations.
As can Canada and the USA.
[Edited on 9-4-2018 by DaliDali]
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Some of you guys are nuts.... 
Don't believe everything you think....
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AND what about poutains? Talk about over priced!
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Don't forget Timmy's.......
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Back in the good old days the highlights of trips to BC canada were kokanee beer, hard ciders and sausage rolls. Could live for weeks on that diet.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
All three have long established regulations for means of entry into their countries......often modified to be more strict or more lax, as the times
dictate.
Not outdated whatsoever to ask border crossers to obtain the proper documents to pass on freely.
'Mexico can take away freedom of movement and the loss of assets for disregarding their immigration regulations.
As can Canada and the USA.
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Look at how DaliDali, skips over the old archaic ridiculous drug polices the US has at the US/Canadian border, and not to mention the subject of this
thread, crossing into Canada with a DUI.
DaliDali, offers no practical advice to Americans or Canadians wanting to cross into each others borders, even if they had a past with either alcohol(
DUI) or marijuana use.
My advice to Canadians crossing over to the US with an old or current background of marijuana use, is watch what you say, because if you admit to
marijuana use, or you are caught lying, you'll face a lifetime ban from the USA.
Maybe the best option, is just refuse to answer their questions of marijuana use. You will be sent back to Canada, but other than that, there will be
no repercussions, and you can always try to cross again, and maybe get a US custom agent, who isn't wearing jack boots, and won't be asking you
stupid questions about marijuana use.
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NEWS Home » Marijuana News Canadians Who Smoke Weed Could Be Banned From Entering US
Federal prohibition in the United States is just that: federal. So why is it that Canadians who smoke weed could be banned from entering US?
Despite marijuana’s surge in popularity, there are still serious consequences to getting high. Today, Canadians who smoke weed could be banned from
entering US. If a border patrol agent asks you if you smoke weed, they can bar you from entering the country.
Once You’re Banned, You’re Banned Forever
This isn’t a temporary ban, either.
Once a Canadian is denied entrance to the U.S. it goes on their permanent record. As Len Saunders, an American lawyer focused on this issue, explained
at the Senate Hearing Committee, “They’re basically turned around, told to go back to Canada, and told they are inadmissible for life. This is a
lifetime ban.”
https://hightimes.com/news/canadians-smoke-weed-banned-enter...
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
All three have long established regulations for means of entry into their countries......often modified to be more strict or more lax, as the times
dictate.
Not outdated whatsoever to ask border crossers to obtain the proper documents to pass on freely.
'Mexico can take away freedom of movement and the loss of assets for disregarding their immigration regulations.
As can Canada and the USA.
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DaliDali, offers no practical advice to Americans or Canadians wanting to cross into each others borders, even if they had a past with either alcohol(
DUI) or marijuana use.
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Do it all the right way, as required by the country you want to enter, is about as basic advise as there is.
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Some interesting comments on this thread.
The original post was regarding a DUI and it is most certainly true but some of the other responses bring up a complete host of related discussions.
To MTGOAT666 your reply in one post is "Don't be a criminal" sounds reasonable on the surface but is not. Been a criminal when younger but have
corrected yours ways? Well now you will be continued to be affected for years and even decades.
Or what about the one off felonies by otherwise law abiding folks, no mercy for them?
To MrBillM comes another great, but truly ignorant, response "Ignorance is (truly) no excuse". Again another reply that sounds good at first but is
(truly) not.
While this is the current standard in our jurisprudence, it is being questioned more often and really needs to be changed. Some points to consider
are...
First this is a very old concept and many things in the centuries since this became the standard have changed. The most important change has been the
sheer numbers of laws and how complex they are.
Hence the reason for lengthy schooling for lawyers and the experience required in practicing the law in order to be an effective judge.
Even lawyers and judges will complete lengthy researches into the law on many cases and they are the experts!
Even the supreme court has ruled that that cops are allowed to be ignorant of the law under some cases.
Certain laws even allow ignorance as a excuse.
Ever share an internet password with anyone, such as allowing your wife or husband, parent or child, or any other person close to you? Many websites
forbid it and if you do share it with anyone you have broken a law and can be held criminally liable for doing so.
Now, Alm said something about Recent offenses that are considered felonies might cause problems which also hints at another aspect of crossing borders
and the law.
If you are charged, but not convicted with a felony, Canada will not allow you in.
Even after the case is resolved it may take many months before it is cleared up in the database if you are not guilty or the case is dismissed.
There is a US Federal Database that has a list of people that have been CHARGED with a felony. So just being charged puts up flags for a law
enforcement most everywhere which can have a huge impact on your travels and not only for border crossings but for traveling within the USA.
So my advice is this for someone crossing for the first time, or the first time crossing since anything criminal has happened, try to do as much
research as possible to see if it may affect your travels.
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Share a Password - Go to Jail ?
BullShit ? Any references ?
Be that as it may ...........................
Although it's not a place that I've ever thought to visit, Canuckia could run MY ID anytime and come up with ZIP.
Those with a criminal past (including drunken drivers) should simply accept the possibility that said past will impact their future.
"Don't do the crime and then whine".
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Lots of half-truths in Fatboy's post.
Mr BillM, is pretty accurate when he says, "ignorance is (truly) no excuse," if you break the law.
Now if you're a rogue cop, you might get away with being ignorant of the law if you profile a dark-skin motorist(DWB) or driving while being black,
and later kill him, but as far as I know that's only for rogue cops, with the Supreme Court, backing you up. ( see HEIEN v. NORTH CAROLINA)
The password sharing is another half-truth, that's is mostly fiction, and in practice, would not result in your arrest for sharing passwords.
There is some rumor and articles going around, mentioning "Netflix" and saying you could get arrested and convicted for sharing your "Netflix"
account. However, the court case involved an ex-employee, sharing or hacking a password, of another company he used to work at for some type of
personal gain, and the court ruled password sharing was a violation of the CFAA.
This ruling has nothing to do with Netflix, Facebook, or even "Baja Nomad" if you voluntarily share an account, although I guess you can be banned by
these companies, if they wanted to ban you.
I also don't think people go to law school for years, just so they keep up with all the sheer number of changing laws. In law school, the students
mostly study old precedents so they learn how to think as lawyers.
I do agree with Fatboy, when he disagrees with the Goat, and Mr Bill, who seem to think, you should suffer for life, if you break a law, like having a
DUI on your record years ago, and now you find yourself at the Canada being denied entry.
Where is Fatboy's outrage, against DaliDali's simplistic augment, who seems to just say, follow the law, no matter how old, wrong, or stupid the law
is? ( DD post offers no help, when there is actual help available, to get around these road blocks)
I don't think you should suffer from life, over an DUI, and I think, laws should be changed when they are ridiculous, like the Canadian DUI, law, or
the US old marijuana Federal laws.
[Edited on 9-12-2018 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Back in the good old days the highlights of trips to BC canada were kokanee beer, hard ciders and sausage rolls. Could live for weeks on that diet.
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What? No mention of Nanaimo Bars?? C'mon back up again sometime....BC is a wonderful place to explore....ocean, mountains, and desert.
I went for a moto ride yesterday to a favourite place (Wallachin) just to sit in the middle of a patch of dunes....laid back in the warm sand watching
the clouds do their thing....felt like I could be in Baja with the vibe....
Don't believe everything you think....
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Canada has no visa requirement for either the US resident and recently dropped the very short term that a visa had been needed by a Mexican at the
Canadian border/entrance point. No visa is required by for the Mexican traveler to enter Canada. Mexico does not need a visa for US citizens or for
Canadian citizens. The Mexican FMM is a tourist pass that requires nothing except to fill it out at the border, and there is no need to visit or
contact a consulate, they are provided when getting aboard a Mexico-bound aircraft or at the border entry points. Many people do not even pay for it
since it is a rarity that anyone is ever asked for it. Nothing like even that, is need at Canadian borders for the two nationalities mentioned. I
don't know how American borders treat a Mexican traveler.
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Trump admin has built concentration camps, Mexicans are thrown in detention, parents are separated from children, children locked in prison, cared for
by lowest-bid govt contractors,... all in all, not a pretty picture
Woke!
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Trump admin has built concentration camps, Mexicans are thrown in detention, parents are separated from children, children locked in prison, cared for
by lowest-bid govt contractors,... all in all, not a pretty picture
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Yes, more hypocrisy from the Jesus Party.
John
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Canadians face a lifetime US travel ban if they work in the cannabis business.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/weed-stocks-...
That's Republican rednecks for ya.
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Bit of a detour but if you can pack light and have some time the Pacific Crest Trail Starts/Ends in Manning Park BC. DIY crossing.
On the OP - if that what the rule is what can you do? I expect its hit and miss depending on the agent and what quota numbers they've had to date.
Seems cruel insult for the air passengers, if the agent can pick this up from the passport number and whatever other database it links to you'd think
a passenger could check in advance, am I gonna get extra screening / tossed because of this?
One thing is absolutely true , the US agents- at the US/CAN land side - can be classed universally as pricks. Strap a gun on a d bag you get a
bigger D BAG. Before 9/11 you were on a even footing with them , now one keyboard click they will muck up your travel for life.
Land crossing, sucking in exhaust for 8 hours I guess they need something/one to blame. The Canuck agents are decent and professional without
attitude IMHO.
It would be awesome for Trudeau to burn Orange 45 and float a Bill making Russian Collusion a barrier to entry to Canada.
[Edited on 9-14-2018 by white whale]
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| Quote: Originally posted by white whale | | Bit of a detour but if you can pack light and have some time the Pacific Crest Trail Starts/Ends in Manning Park BC. DIY crossing.
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Some of the known trails are under surveillance w/ technology....known smuggler routes....backpackers w/ pounds they say
Yes....things aren't like they used to be....the new world order, I guess....
[Edited on 9-15-2018 by motoged]
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