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Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  | I've been to several isolated mining operations in the Sierra Nevada, but not yet over to the Cerro Gordo area. It's mind blowing the amount of road
engineering and mining technology involved, and that's over 100 years ago. Hauling all that mining equipment, just awe inspiring!
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coolest thing is the miles long water channel they built to have enough water.
runs along the west face of that mountain
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miners created hundreds of roads in Death Valley to get easier to their locations
on foot, with a burro
and of course to move equipment
many of them were not closed because gov thought nobody would find them
I did
like a road in this canyon leading to the Eureka dunes
37° 9'6.07"N, 117°40'52.25"W
Baja is more fun though
the super dry climate keeps roads and trails visible (and usable) even after a couple of hundred years
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Fatboy, I am so sorry you got covid and got so sick. Such an incredible trip you are planning. Let's hope you recover muy rapido.
4x4 your trip pics look really dangerous. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
My hat off to all of you who offroad. Very impressive!
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part of my life is teaching Mission Impossible
not dangerous - just difficult
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I live in the gold country and find old mines and cabin all of the time. They did some amazing things by hand and with animals, tuff people. I really
love finding lost and forgotten gems. Either by hiking, moto, SXS or jeep. Lots of stuff out there.
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| Quote: Originally posted by advrider | | I live in the gold country and find old mines and cabin all of the time. They did some amazing things by hand and with animals, tuff people. I really
love finding lost and forgotten gems. Either by hiking, moto, SXS or jeep. Lots of stuff out there. |
that brings up an interesting question -
why do we love to find/discover old abandoned stuff?
what do we get out of it?
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I think mine comes from my grandfather. He was a history buff, gold miner, metal detector and general explorer. I shared many adventures with my
grandparents all over the US, looking for lost tressure. I grew up reading his old treasure hunting magazines and listening to his stories. I always
marvel over what the old timers did by hand with minimal tools and resources.
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| Quote: Originally posted by advrider | | I think mine comes from my grandfather. He was a history buff, gold miner, metal detector and general explorer. I shared many an adventure with my
grandparents all over the US, looking for lost tressure. I grew up reading his old treasure hunting magazines and listening to his stories. I always
marvel over what the old timers did by hand with minimal tools and resources. |
why does it get you excited?
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For me, to see what was accomplished, long ago, in such a harsh land, is amazing and interesting. My writings are often about places from the past
(missions, visitas, El Camino Real, old mines) because they are so intriguing.
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Since each of us is only here for a few years, I think the realization of actually seeing physical remnants from the past stirs something in most of
us. A connection to the past, the present, and the future. Minus the ghost of Jacob Marley.
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I think it's like solving a crime, trying to put everything together and figure out what the process was. Sometimes it's trying to figure out how they
got an item into a remote area. I love looking at the construction techniques that some of the remote areas used where they had nothing but the
natural resources.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | miners created hundreds of roads in Death Valley to get easier to their locations
on foot, with a burro
and of course to move equipment
many of them were not closed because gov thought nobody would find them
I did
like a road in this canyon leading to the Eureka dunes
37° 9'6.07"N, 117°40'52.25"W
Baja is more fun though
the super dry climate keeps roads and trails visible (and usable) even after a couple of hundred years |
Harald----------Is that the Steel Pass road you are referring to? Great road into the past.
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | miners created hundreds of roads in Death Valley to get easier to their locations
on foot, with a burro
and of course to move equipment
many of them were not closed because gov thought nobody would find them
I did
like a road in this canyon leading to the Eureka dunes
37° 9'6.07"N, 117°40'52.25"W
Baja is more fun though
the super dry climate keeps roads and trails visible (and usable) even after a couple of hundred years |
Harald----------Is that the Steel Pass road you are referring to? Great road into the past.
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check the lat/long - it is 14 miles north of Steel Pass
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Steel Pass is at 36-58-10.44x117-38-16.69. Phil Lang and I went thru there a couple of years ago. West to east is the easier trail. East to west best
to have lockers due to the step ups.
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Thanks, Harald. Without actually being there I have no idea how to determine Lat. and Long. Thanks for clarifying the location. I AM a tech
dinosaur, you know. (0:
I see I have some exploring to do.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | Thanks, Harald. Without actually being there I have no idea how to determine Lat. and Long. Thanks for clarifying the location. I AM a tech
dinosaur, you know. (0:
I see I have some exploring to do. |
get Google Earth on your computer (you do have one?)
it's free
greatest armchair travel tool ever invented
it gives you 3D pictures of any locations on this planet
insert the numbers I gave you and Google Earth travels there for you
[Edited on 12-30-2021 by 4x4abc]
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"why do we love to find/discover old abandoned stuff? what do we get out of it?"
So many reasons - proof of the geologic theories, proof of the past indigenous residents and realization that they thrived without the today's
conveniences - a peek into "how" of their life - tangible "exhibits" from the history books - lessons and appreciation for the continuity of what was
until now - knowledge of how past generations chose a path of hardship to achieve their dream. The items in the photo were all found within about 200
yards from where I was camped off UT Hwy 21 - the Old Spanish Trail: million-year old shells from when that valley was an ancient sea; indigenous
tools, a mano; various rocks - chalcedony, fossil marine species now a geode. All fascinating (to me). On that trip, in Kodachrome, I found some
petrified dinosaur dung - coprolite. You pick that up and realize dinosaurs were right there where you're standing.
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Baja is a Time Machine!
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Very cool stuff. Nice finds, were they in Baja or around the US?
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Wow, the Fordyce and Rubicon got nothin' on that Surprise Canyon trail! What a crazy run, love all the winch lines.
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