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karenintx
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I open the below Mexican newspaper articles in the Chrome browser which translates the articles for me, hopefully it will do the same for you.
Agencies to contact for BCS...
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/inicia-regularizacion-de-autos-ch...
AMLO announced streamlining of the procedure of vehicles....
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/inicia-regularizacion-de-autos-ch...
Additional Info...
https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/se-regularizaron-50-vehiculos-med...
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4x4abc
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just sayin'
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so I have homes in 2 states, and numerous vehicles that could be in either state, Baja for that matter, at any specific time. some of my vehicles
are registered in SD because I can do the renewal by mail from anywhere, no inspections etc required. so how is that being treated?
There are legitimate reasons for SD plates, but hiding Mexican residency and trying to avoid taxes is not one of them!
[Edited on 3-2-2022 by caj13]
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JDCanuck
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Permanent Residency has become more difficult recently as well, so while we had hoped to do that to make living there half time somewhat more
straightforward, it now looks unlikely we will be able to qualify. Long term half year at a time vistors' permits seems to be what we are looking
forward to from now on.
Of course we could do what has been suggested and just keep transferring money back and forth between accounts, but I am really getting the opinion
Mexico just does not want foreigners residing there. Perhaps this explains all the cumbersome rules they have created to discourage it.
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Don Pisto
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | Permanent Residency has become more difficult recently as well, so while we had hoped to do that to make living there half time somewhat more
straightforward, it now looks unlikely we will be able to qualify. Long term half year at a time vistors' permits seems to be what we are looking
forward to from now on.
Of course we could do what has been suggested and just keep transferring money back and forth between accounts, but I am really getting the opinion
Mexico just does not want foreigners residing there. Perhaps this explains all the cumbersome rules they have created to discourage it.
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JD I have to disagree here, first of all I agree the financial requirements are ridiculous BUT I think you're wrong about INM discouraging foreigners
living here, INM right now is offering the same amnesty program they've offered in the past....can all be done in mexico no american consulate bs, NO
financial requirements and you have temp res for 4 years and can be completed in a week. sounds to me like they're encouraging expats to become
residents. BUT you do have to have had at least two FMM's in the past and currently have either no or expired FMM. its a great deal!
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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Don Pisto
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AND this will really get the birds quackin'...I don't see why mexico gives two chits if you live here on an FMM, really whats the purpose of INM? to
know who's in their country and for how long? they get all that and a gripload of dough every 6 months and a stimulated economy, sounds like win-win
to me! ( I am a legal resident just thinking out loud)
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Permanent Residency has become more difficult recently as well, so while we had hoped to do that to make living there half time somewhat more
straightforward, it now looks unlikely we will be able to qualify. Long term half year at a time vistors' permits seems to be what we are looking
forward to from now on.
Of course we could do what has been suggested and just keep transferring money back and forth between accounts, but I am really getting the opinion
Mexico just does not want foreigners residing there. Perhaps this explains all the cumbersome rules they have created to discourage it.
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ask a good immigration specialist in La Paz (there are several) as there are other ways than income to qualify
Harald Pietschmann
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto | | AND this will really get the birds quackin'...I don't see why mexico gives two chits if you live here on an FMM, really whats the purpose of INM? to
know who's in their country and for how long? they get all that and a gripload of dough every 6 months and a stimulated economy, sounds like win-win
to me! ( I am a legal resident just thinking out loud) |
What a weird thing to say. What's the purpose of INM??? Are you under the impression that Mexico is the only country with an immigration department?
Are you under the impression that you can simply waltz into other countries on a tourist visa and then live there permanently? Do you think the only
foreigners in Mexico are retired American and Canadian expats? And why do so many Americans think they are some sort of gift to Mexico who should be
allowed to do whatever they want, come and go at will, just because they spend some money here?
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Hey, what ever can save you 30 bucks, right. Do what ya“ll want with your plates. I just think its cool that “we“ are finally cracking down on
cheats.
As a parting thought...think of a Mexican in the USA without proper documentation.
Nevermind as that is way past this boards thought process.
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Thanx for clearing that up for Charlie, Herald; chocolate cars have an amnesty program to register legally. That complicates things a bit on a
national basis, (what kind of plates are granted, state, national?).
Also a game changer, I wonder what the Aduana folks have to say about this. Is AMLO involved in this bright idea?
S. Dakota registration is unique as no in-state address is required now a days. It is a cash cow for the state. Foreign travelers, (mostly Europeans,
Australians), have been using this loophole with vehicles used in the U.S. long before Mr. Jankovics washed up in San Lucas "selling" his services.
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cancamo |
Thanx for clearing that up for Charlie, Herald; chocolate cars have an amnesty program to register legally. That complicates things a bit on a
national basis, (what kind of plates are granted, state, national?).
Also a game changer, I wonder what the Aduana folks have to say about this. Is AMLO involved in this bright idea?
S. Dakota registration is unique as no in-state address is required now a days. It is a cash cow for the state. Foreign travelers, (mostly Europeans,
Australians), have been using this loophole with vehicles used in the U.S. long before Mr. Jankovics washed up in San Lucas "selling" his services.
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yes, this is an AMLO idea.
Aduana (or registered importers like Columbia etc) are handling the paperwork for the amnesty program
The dedicated Aduana site in Chametla has been set aside a few years ago for this purpose
so far less than 100 of the eligible vehicles have been processed (of an estimated 100,000 in BCS)
the bottle neck is that the cars have to pass a smog check and none of the clunkers would pass
mandatory proof of insurance is another no-go
I guess, they will lower the standards a bit
otherwise the program is dead in the water
Harald Pietschmann
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pacificobob
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I found the PR process remarkably easy with the help of an immigration service.
I totally understand why Mexico is disinclined to grant residency to people who have little or no assets.
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Cancamo
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Permanent Residency process is by far way easier than it was just a few years ago, (multiple years with FM3, then FM2, illegible stamps in entry, exit
book, annual photos, appointments, document submission, etc.). A much cumbersome and a lot longer process than the current system. It's flat easy
anymore, and encouraged.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | I found the PR process remarkably easy with the help of an immigration service.
I totally understand why Mexico is disinclined to grant residency to people who have little or no assets.
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Unfortunately while we have significant assets, much of it already invested in Mexico, the additional continuous income has risen significantly very
recently. It's the constant income requirements in addition to assets we would no longer meet, altho we easily met the income required when we decided
to build. Anyone with higher pension or Government cheque incomes (we do not have significant pensions or government cheques) will not be affected.
The solution to this seems to be withdrawing invested monies regularly, then returning it to the investment accounts on a regular basis to establish a
stable cash inflow via regular deposits.
This is the route other Canadians have taken to meet the requirements and which we have been advised to follow.
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This discussion pertains to BCS only.
People have the right to have as many global residences, and as many cars, etc as they want and to register their cars associated to their residences.
You can have a CA plated car in Paris or La Paz and receive the registration paperwork by mail to the address there. I do.
My USA cars are registered with DMV plates to my Baja address and have been for more than 20 years. Those vehicles receive a discount on hi way fees
and can be exempt from insurance if I file the exemption, I don't and continue to pay liability for both countries I visit, even if I don't plan to
visit to make the DMV system happy. You can file the ins exemption every year and show mex ins and state the car will not return to its home or travel
on any roads in the home country.
I personally school the DMV on the DMV Book pages that state this is legal. It is different for border zones, Laredo, TJ, and Ensenenada.
Most countries have reciprocal rights associated to transit, meaning, people who travel between countries, for work, tourism etc have reciprocal
privileges, if their car is conforming to the origin country laws it is legal in the foreign country.
There is no SD plate sting, there are periodic checks for legal drivers license, and registration and general conforming to safety, lights, etc.,
The purpose is to stop cars and check to see that the driver of a foreign plated vehicle is a legal foreign driver.
Mexicans may not drive foreign plated vehicles except under certain exceptions, such as a blood or marriage relation to the legal foreign legal owner.
The "Reten" or filter stop is to check that "Chocolates" or foreign plated cars that are "not legally registered" are encouraged to become legal under
the new regularization options. The stop is an local transit administrative stop, it is not a criminal process, all that can happen is a ticket, a
request to become regularized. The car may not be impounded, though the local transit cop may make up threats. The impound lots are currently nearly
empty, no impounding of vehicles is happening, but things change daily.
Foreigners who have legal SD plated cars and who have a drivers license from the country of USA are legal. It would be better if the person had a SD
drivers license, but that is not the authority of a Mexican transit police.
Mexicans who drive SD plated cars or any foreign plated car who do not also have a drivers license from that foreign country are not legal, though
this is quite common, and accounts for at least 50,000 vehicles in the region.
The agencies who have begun to do regularization, come and go, things change daily. It is not profitable and is a pain so its unclear what will
happen.
The greatest overall affect is that foreign plated vehicles now have a lower value since there is no Aduana Markup anymore, and the Aduana agents lost
their jobs.
Be aware of misinformation here, and that things change daily.
If you search the internet on the topic "BCS regularización de vehículos" and set your search filter to the last week, you will find more current
info.
You are unlikely to get accurate info here, since people misunderstand the nuance, post misinformation, and the information changes often.
Here is some news about changes to facilitate the process coming this Monday, March 7th.
https://www.palabrabcs.com/municipios/la-paz/a-partir-del-7-...
[Edited on 3-3-2022 by gnukid]
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bajatrailrider
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Very true with number one offender of cheat fake news Charlie.
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As far as what goes on over here, Charlie is way off base. The new 2500 pesos importation of "illegal" vehicles (basically, non-registered vehicles)
is targeted at MEXICANS, not Americans or Canadians. They are the majority of persons driving non-registered, non-imported vehicles. Yes, even SD
plates, unless driven by a foreigner with a PR, IS COMPLETELY LEGAL. I dont believe I know anyone over here that doesn't take their LEGAL SD PLATED
VEHICLE, back and forth to their NOB residence. Some probably leave them down here......but I bet it's a minority of SD plate owners.
Then, Charlie seems to imply that because Mexicans don't legally register their vehicles because they can't afford to, it's all fine and dandy? A law
is a law. We foreigners are expected to comply. So should the natives. If you can't afford registration, then you certainly cant afford other
important things........like maybe INSURANCE? Should poor Mexicans be allowed to skate on insurance, Charlie, simply because they can't afford it?
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
People "leave" california (or other states) to live in Baja, then register their USA cars in mexico to avoid california (or other state) registration
fees, as SD is uber cheap reg fee, and avoid legally importing cars into mexico.
Mexico wonders why 9 out of 10 gringos retirees (temp and perm mexico residents) are living in mexico but driving around in SD plated cars (and
residing in the country on tourist cards not intended for temp or perm residents).
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And I thought liberals were above bias and lived life based on verifiable statistics and science. I guess not.
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I just returned from La Paz and I didn't see or hear anything about a sting on SD plated vehicles. I will only speak for myself but I hardly consider
myself a scofflaw. I merely took the only option that was left available to me.
I kept my vehicle registered in my home state until it was no longer an option. When I first left a car in La Paz I went to the CA DMV and explained
the vehicle was in Mexico and that it was exempt from the Smog Inspection. They told me that cars in Mexico were not exempt from the smog exemption.
Expecting this I had come armed with the Vehicle Codes where it states that only cars in Tijuana, Ensenada and Tecate were not exempt whereupon they
issued me my tags. Because I was claiming an exemption, I am required to reapply in person annually. In my area that is still a 2 hour wait even with
an appointment. The next year when I went back, I was again told "cars in Mexico are not exempt". Once again I produced the Vehicle Code excerpt to
show my car was indeed exempt. This time they said they weren't sure but that they would issue my tags and then let Sacramento sort it out. The 3rd
year I went back and once again waited nearly 2 hours to be told my car was not exempt. I showed him the Vehicle Code provision whereupon he told me
"I don't care what that says, I'm not issuing you any tags"!
At that point I walked out and placed a call to South Dakota. They were so nice and pleasant to talk to I almost look forward to dealing with them
though that is rarely necessary as they send me my renewals like clockwork every year. At least SD demonstrates some common sense. They are happy to
accept my $75 annually for a one-time cost of about fifty cents worth of metal and then a ten-cent sticker each year all the while knowing I will
never be driving on and wearing out their roads or polluting their air with my emissions. This is why there are more SD licensed vehicles in Baja that
there are in SD. Until California gets smart and provides the same option SD gets my money.
What I have noticed in La Paz is that I don't get hassled by the local cops with SD plates. I think they realize I'm not a first time visitor and
will insist on a ticket that can be paid at the Transito Office and not be bullied into mordida
[Edited on 3-5-2022 by Alan]
In Memory of E-57
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Harold, the DMV book clearly states the law, as well as exceptions, obviously, transit laws can vary state to state, and in the USA, you must update
your license to new STATE permanent residence within a period of time, for example its 10 days in CA, if you move there permanently and do not
maintain the prior address where you are registered, though, this doesn't apply to foreign residence, vacation homes etc.
You can have as many residences as you are able to manage, for example declare 10 homes with 10% residency in each, and full time residence in one USA
home and full time in one foreign home, and you can have cars, boats, motorcycles, quads, etc at each home, or move them in-between.
Foreigners, can visit USA or Mexico and ship, or drive their foreign vehicle, with its legal foreign plates. Some countries have permanent plates,
some have a permanent ID number, those legal vehicles remain legal in the foreign country for the period of the legal Visa, which can be permanent,
like in Mexico, or USA, and maintain all rights and privileges.
Foreign vehicles are not required to alter, adopt, or change their legal vehicle status for each foreign country they visit.
The simple explanation, is that in BCS, there is an effort to encourage all the unregistered cars to become registered with a declared owner and
address, at a much reduced price and ease of process, to allow all people, including those with limited finances, their legal right to liberty and
transit, without harassment by local fiefdoms, because previously, the process was economically discriminatory.
This Monday, the rates will again be reduced and more simplified options, appointments, Aduana workers are being educated in the new process, which is
unclear and changes often, to be given the opportunity to work in this Regularization de Vehiculo process.
It's odd that some here on BN cheer on misinformation, as though its funny to harass and stress Baja Nomads with wrong information that causes stress.
A USA citizen has the right to get a license from South Dakota and plates as well, they may have a mailing address there as well as many other
locations.
A USA resident may live in a foreign country, or a variety of foreign countries, and choose to identify any state as their permanent residence by
following the appropriate steps to declare and demonstrate residency.
DMV workers, like Senior Baja Nomads, often do not read the documentation, they may be stubborn, or likely ignorant, and even intentionally mislead
people because they derive pleasure from causing misunderstandings, inducing fear and inconveniencing others, apparently as a symptom of insecure,
narcissistic, abusive behavior.
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