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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
The most illegals I ever saw in one place was 8 guys sharing a two bedroom apt. and that was in the 80s. Not that "20 per room" doesn't happen but
that's a misperception as to be commonplace. They do (or did) live in dirt caves by the strawberry fields in Carlsbad however.
The illegals I've worked in the same company with or lived near have usually been huge consumers of US goods and the biggest complaint they have in
their lives is that they don't send enough money home to Mexico. I have not known any of them to steal anything. They would probably return home
after working for 6 months or a year if it didn't cost so much to come back...they don't necessarily want to be here full time.
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That's a fair comment, Mexitron, and certainly true of most, but not all, illegals. The stats coming out of the prisons reveal a sobering situation
vis-a-vis "illegals", and that is also a "fact".
Like "most" illegals are perhaps not a drag on the USA Society, most of those supporting the Arizona law are NOT bigots, or racists, despite what some
say.
Lets see how this all plays out.
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Exactly...I'm not trying to weigh in either side of the debate here, clearly we need a better system in place to deal with what could possibly be a
win/win situation for US employers and foreign workers. I get a little peeved though when all illegals are portrayed as immoral lowlifes--they're a
broad cross-section of humanity just as we are, mostly good, some bad.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
To be prosecuted for hiring illegal aliens the government needs to prove that you knowingly hired illegal aliens.
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My neighbors don't "know" that their full time Mexican maid in Colorado is illegal. They don't talk about it with her. They don't want to know,
because they can them feign ignorance. However, they confided in me that they presume she is illegal because she doesn't have a SS card. So they pay
her cash under the table, WHICH IS ILLEGAL!
I say crack down on illegal immigrants and crack down on those who employ them......either knowingly or unknowlingly (they know).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Enforce ALL the Laws, including a crackdown on employers hiring Illegal Aliens no matter WHO they are. |
I don't believe it!!!!!!! This is the first time in something like 5 years on BN that I have ever agreed with MrBullS.
This is one liberal who would support such an effort. Kumbaya! YES WE CAN! 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
they confided in me that they presume she is illegal because she doesn't have a SS card. So they pay her cash under the table, WHICH IS ILLEGAL!
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OK...So, what are we supposed to do? Hire a White kid from the local community college to clean the toilet every couple of weeks and pay their
withholding taxes and social security?
C'mon, get real. That won't happen and you know it, but it will be overlooked because she's legal.
So...this isn't really a matter of paying taxes, is it. Seems those who are crying loudest about the illegal help not having their taxes paid are
going to ruin everything for those they think they're helping. The illegal housecleaner will be forced out of the labor pool and left wondering why
everybody had to be so helpful.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK...So, what are we supposed to do? Hire a White kid from the local community college to clean the toilet every couple of weeks and pay their
withholding taxes and social security? |
Yes, that is what the Law requires you to do. If they say they have a IRS I.D. tax number then you pay them cash or check or whatever and you have to
fill out form #...... (somebody help me here) and mail it to the IRS with their Tax I.D. number on it and the amount you paid them.
Do we obey the Laws of the USA or not? Or do we obey the Laws that are just convenient for you?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
do we obey the Laws that are just convenient for you? |
When it comes to paying someone for cleaning my toilet, I do it my way.
Don't try to tell me that you, ever in your life, made a big payroll ordeal with the kid who mowed your lawn or cleaned your garage. You payed him
cash and you know it.
People like you, who try to convince others that you live your life by a literal interpretation of every chickenchit little law that has appeared in
the books, are a complete disingenuous hypocrite. You couldn't go through life with the burden of that much purity.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
OK...So, what are we supposed to do? Hire a White kid from the local community college to clean the toilet every couple of weeks and pay their
withholding taxes and social security? |
Yes, that is what the Law requires you to do. If they say they have a IRS I.D. tax number then you pay them cash or check or whatever and you have to
fill out form #...... (somebody help me here) and mail it to the IRS with their Tax I.D. number on it and the amount you paid them.
Do we obey the Laws of the USA or not? Or do we obey the Laws that are just convenient for you? |
1099 I believe
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NEVER Have, NEVER Will.
Pay someone to clean my toilet, that is.
OR, mow my lawn. Back when I had a lawn, that is. If I didn't do it, my kids did. Which doesn't count.
However, for those who have paid someone to mow the lawn or clean the yard (or even clean the toilet), isn't it legal to assume those as private
contractors doing incidental work ? With any tax reporting burden being theirs ? I don't remember the exact rules for Legitimate Contractors, but
it's easy enough to look up.
Although I worked for three different Telecom contractors over a period of eight years and we were referred to as such, we were actually "Leased"
employees under the law. The IRS rules for a Private Contractor are pretty tight, but I think a "Casual" Lawn-Mowing guy qualifies.
From the IRS website:
"A general rule is that the payer has the right to control or direct only the result of the work done by an independent contractor, and not the means
and methods of accomplishing the result".
AND, You MAY have to file a 1099 If:
1. You made the payment to someone who is not your employee;
2. You made the payment for services in the course of your trade or business (including government agencies and nonprofit organizations);
3. You made the payment to an individual, partnership, estate, or in some cases, a corporation; and
4. You made payments to the payee of at least $600 during the year.
Looks like you're OK with that White kid mowing.
[Edited on 5-6-2010 by MrBillM]
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Ho Hum Yawn....
This is the most boring thread all of the sudden.
Could someone Please Please Hijack so that we can move onto a subject more in line with the credo Love Peace and Fish Tacos!
How about all the road kill down here. Someone should really do something about all the strays. It breaks my heart every time I pass one of those
little road pizzas.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
When it comes to paying someone for cleaning my toilet, I do it my way.
Don't try to tell me that you, ever in your life, made a big payroll ordeal with the kid who mowed your lawn or cleaned your garage. You payed him
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Of course I did. I broke the Law. If it is under $20 bucks a month , I don't worry about it. When it is a project for $1,000, I fill out a 1099.
That is why I am ambivalent about cracking down on illegal immigrants who are breaking the law. I live in a glass house and I am not going to throw
stones.
| Quote: | | People like you, who try to convince others that you live your life by a literal interpretation of every chickenchit little law that has appeared in
the books, are a complete disingenuous hypocrite. You couldn't go through life with the burden of that much purity. |
Yes, I am guilty as charged, a hypocrite, just like the next person. I admit it. (By the way I clean my own house and don't have any maids - legal
or illegal) That's why I don't judge my neighbors too harshly, they are good people just trying to get by with a warped sense of responsibility (like
me sometimes).
I think hypocrites are those who say that illegal immigrants need to obey the Law, but they don't have to.
Peace, Love, and Cerveza Tecate!
[Edited on 5-6-2010 by oxxo]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
do we obey the Laws that are just convenient for you? |
When it comes to paying someone for cleaning my toilet, I do it my way.
Don't try to tell me that you, ever in your life, made a big payroll ordeal with the kid who mowed your lawn or cleaned your garage. You payed him
cash and you know it.
People like you, who try to convince others that you live your life by a literal interpretation of every chickenchit little law that has appeared in
the books, are a complete disingenuous hypocrite. You couldn't go through life with the burden of that much purity. |
DENNIS,
iF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAWS, WHY DO YOU GET UPSET WHEN IMMIGRANTS DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW???
"do as i say, not as i do," said dennis
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
Could someone Please Please Hijack so that we can move onto a subject more in line with the credo Love Peace and Fish Tacos!
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here is a hijack --
dk sure has been silent on this issue. is that because he is an irrigation contractor and he stops stops by home depot to pick up day laborers and
give them a ride in his toyota tacoma??????
where is "mr fish, peace, toyota, love, gps waypoints, and fish tacos"?
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In California, you don't need to file a 1099 if the job is less than $500 per year. The kid would need to mow your lawn quite a few times for you to
need to report it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
dk sure has been silent on this issue. is that because he is an irrigation contractor |
I hope he just landed a nice contract and is too busy to post. That is what is called a "win/win" situation (I'm just kidding DK)!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
iF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAWS, WHY DO YOU GET UPSET WHEN IMMIGRANTS DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW???
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Immigrants breaking the law isn't my issue. Never was.
My issue is with the actvists and foreign leaders telling the US how they will interpret or ignore the law. Since the illegals have joined the ranks
of the actvists, they have turned me against any needs they may have.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
In California, you don't need to file a 1099 if the job is less than $500 per year. The kid would need to mow your lawn quite a few times for you to
need to report it. |
I wonder how many toilets they would have to scrubb to reach 500 bucks. I would think in a years time, the lawn mower would get there first.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Immigrants breaking the law isn't my issue. |
Okay, just so I understand, you don't have a problem with illegal immigrants?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Okay, just so I understand, you don't have a problem with illegal immigrants? |
Here. Let me say it again. Read slowly now:
"Immigrants breaking the law isn't my issue. Never was.
My issue is with the actvists and foreign leaders telling the US how they will interpret or ignore the law. Since the illegals have joined the ranks
of the actvists, they have turned me against any needs they may have."
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fear not DK....
the old devil Goat is just being his usual eristic self....
and Dennis - you got it right on all fronts, my man.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
Could someone Please Please Hijack so that we can move onto a subject more in line with the credo Love Peace and Fish Tacos!
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here is a hijack --
dk sure has been silent on this issue. is that because he is an irrigation contractor and he stops stops by home depot to pick up day laborers and
give them a ride in his toyota tacoma??????
where is "mr fish, peace, toyota, love, gps waypoints, and fish tacos"? |
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