Originally posted by gnukid
Howard you need to turn off the TV and go outside and get to know your neighbors, participate in your community and stop pushing a divisive false
agenda promoted by the fake Left Right political paradigm.
I don't have a TV.
It is about 50/50 of the white US citizens I know personally who are rascist or homophobic in the most vile sense of the word - including my parents
and grandparents, my brother, my brother in law, my two nephews, my neighbor who hires illegals but refruses to pay taxes or minimum
wage...............need I go on?
Howard if you want to believe that critics of the current administration are just racist that is your choice though there is no evidence that it is
the case, only hype on TV.
There are Critics of the Admin who say the current Admin is continuing the same policies as the last, in fact if you like Obama then you would love
Bush. Obama is increasing the Military spending and invasions for the Empire with no goals in sight and certainly no legal declaration of war or
justification, recall no WMDs, no evidence of Osama Bin Laden involvement in any 911 attack-FBI says no evidence of Bin Laden involvement in any
terror since 1998, he likely died in 2001. The invasion of Afghanistan was planned in advance of 2001. I wonder why opium production has increased 12
fold since our invasion? Reportedly there are about 100 al queda but we spend billions on each while failing to stop any of them them yet we
imprisoned and tortured children such as Omar Kahdr who was a child shot in back twice and then tortured for years and now in a trial that few know or
care about?
The critics of the Admin are critical of the financial management of the Federal Reserve which has no oversight and no formal public accounting yet
required trillions from you to bailout banks who somehow then achieved record profits all off our backs, critical of the Health Care passage without a
review of the legislation and without a vote, critical of expanding the Military Industrial Complex and Empire without justification, critical of
murder of millions of Iraqi women and children for no stated reason and pollution of the entire region for endless generations with Depleated Uranium,
critical of the treatment of US Military troops who are suffering without adequate care, critical of drone killings and collateral murder of
civilians. There have been few if any mentions critical of race which is an absurd notion certainly and not justifiable, except perhaps by you? Why do
you insist on blaming racism for the popular discontent with the Whitehouse? You are the only one I have even heard suggesting race is an issue.
Can you accept that there is criticism of failed policies that have in fact bankrupted our budget, millions of US bankruptcies and caused irreparable
worldwide financial harm with no goals except more murder and more military spending and further expansion of the US Military bases and more bombs?
Howard can you at least consider focusing on asking yourself what your values are? Do you value giving up everything we have in order to fund the
Empire? Did you ever study the Roman Empire? Did you ever see the movie the Gladiator which illustrates an analogy to our current failing Empire? Do
you really still believe in hope and change via military expansion of the empire all the while your individual rights which this country was founded
upon and the American dream are dismissed as irrelevant and more people worldwide are bankrupt?
Originally posted by oxxo
... my neighbor who hires illegals but refruses to pay taxes or minimum wage...............need I go on?
Can you explain why you think that being unwilling to pay taxes or minimum wage is racist? That is an economic issue and certainly criminal though in
no way connotes racism.
And you state 50% of Americans are Racist but there is no evidence to back that up except your statement. To be clear howard's suggestion is criticism
of obama is racist which is the main stream media message yet not demonstratable. The issue is clear, the whitehouse is failing and we are being
bankrupted-that is not a race issue.
Originally posted by gnukid
Can you explain why you think that being unwilling to pay taxes or minimum wage is racist? That is an economic issue and certainly criminal though in
no way connotes racism.
No not because they don't pay taxes but because they say that Mexicans deserve less pay because they can live on less money. They say they deserve
less pay because they are here illegally. They say that Americans work hard for their money and Mexicans don't. It's pretty racist.
Quote:
And you state 50% of Americans are Racist but there is no evidence to back that up except your statement.
No, I didn't say 50% of Americans were racists, I said about 50% of the people I know personally. Don't extrapolate from those numbers, it is just my
personal experience.
Quote:
To be clear howard says criticism of obama is racist
I'll let Howard speak for himself, but that's not the way I read what he wrote.
Regardless of both of your hyperbole about racism (that you observe), it is not an issue of any significance that relates to the failures of the Obama
or Bush Administration which created and continue a murderous Military expansion and allow illegal immigration of more 30,000,000 people in the USA to
support a ever failing Empire. The military is made up largely of foreigners who either arrive as illegal aliens and are promised citezenship and much
more to serve in the invasions and to serve corporations, or serve as cooperating foreigner forces, both polices which hurt everyone of us and people
worldwide. These failed Federal policies must end regardless of whether they are called left or right they are the same, they hurt the immigrants,
they hurt everyone.
Oxxo, Howard and your comments are in parallel citing racism as a source of criticism or failure which is clearly a distraction from criticism of the
failures of Federal policies which are hurting everyone of us.
Consider
Individual Rights
Empire
Military
Bailout
Bankruptcy
Infrastructure
Immigration
"The military is made up largely of foreigners who arrive as illegal aliens and are promised much to serve in the invasions and to serve corporations,
both polices which hurt everyone of us and people worldwide".
What a Bizarrely ODD and Deluded thought with NO basis in reality.
The U.S. military is around 80 percent White/Black.
Largely Illegals ? Did they sneak in from Canada ?
Originally posted by gnukid
Howard if you want to believe that critics of the current administration are just racist that is your choice though there is no evidence that it is
the case, only hype on TV.
There are Critics of the Admin who say the current Admin is continuing the same policies as the last, in fact if you like Obama then you would love
Bush. Obama is increasing the Military spending and invasions for the Empire with no goals in sight and certainly no legal declaration of war or
justification, recall no WMDs, no evidence of Osama Bin Laden involvement in any attack-FBI says no evidence of Bin Laden involvement in any terror,
he likely died in 2001. The invasion of Afghanistan was planned in advance of 2001. I wonder why opium production has increased 12 fold since our
invasion? Reportedly there are about 100 al queda but we spend billions on each while failing to stop any of them them yet we imprisoned and tortured
children such as Omar Kahdr who was a child shot in back twice and then tortured for years and now in a trial that few know or care about?
The critics of the Admin are critical of the financial management of the Federal Reserve which has no oversight and no formal public accounting yet
required trillions from you to bailout banks who somehow then achieved record profits all off our backs, critical of the Health Care passage without a
review of the legislation and without a vote, critical of expanding the Military Industrial Complex and Empire without justification, critical of
murder of millions of Iraqi women and children for no stated reason and pollution of the entire region for endless generations with Depleated Uranium,
critical of the treatment of US Military troops who are suffering without adequate care, critical of drone killings and collateral murder of
civilians. There have been few if any mentions critical of race which is an absurd notion certainly and not justifiable, except perhaps by you? Why do
you insist on blaming racism for the popular discontent with the Whitehouse? You are the only one I have even heard suggesting race is an issue.
Can you accept that there is criticism of failed policies that have in fact bankrupted our budget, millions of US bankruptcies and caused irreparable
worldwide financial harm with no goals except more murder and more military spending and further expansion of the US Military bases and more bombs?
Howard can you at least consider focusing on asking yourself what your values are? Do you value giving up everything we have in order to fund the
Empire? Did you ever study the Roman Empire? Did you ever see the movie the Gladiator which illustrates an analogy to our current failing Empire? Do
you really still believe in hope and change via military expansion of the empire all the while your individual rights which this country was founded
upon and the American are dismissed as irrelevant and more people are bankrupt?
Do you have compassion for others?
[Edited on 5-10-2010 by gnukid]
newkid,
we love you for your lunatic conspiracy theories, but it is sometimes hard to take your rantings knowing that you are a corporate checkout or trust
fund baby who checked out to smoke dope on the beach. your criticism of obama is misplaced. your subscription to new world order trilateral
commission conspiracy is quaint but is outdated conservative conspiratorial pablum from 1970s. your conviction that majority of US armed forces are
immigrants tricked into consription is wrong.
the world runs in mysterious ways, but it is anot all a puppet game orchestrated by multinational corporations. ya, the multinat corps pull political
strings and make the politicians dance, but most social movements are still grass roots movements.
p.s. your theory that bin laden died in 2001 is bonkers. he is alive and well and is only so because the US military has almost zero control over
afganistan and pakistan, has almost zero intelligence capabilities in afganistan and pakistan, and is and always be on losing end of game in
afganistan and pakistan. US public thinks domination of the air in afganistan relates to ground control. US has zero control over afganistan on the
ground and will be leaving afghanistan same way the soviets left.
on this you and i agree, obama is making a mistake staying in afganistan. he should have cut and run. it is an unwinnable quagmire.
In addition to foreign recruits, and those given citizenship for signup, our Military is increasingly running troop operations and exercises with
foreign troops-remember the coalition of the willing was a multinational US led invasion. The numbers of foreigners within our troops are increasing,
this isn't new, recall the foreign legion, but it is increasing. They need more bodies to serve the Empire.
In addition to beginning to understand the increasingly foreign nature of our CENTCOM Military and our National makeup, along with somewhere from
30-50 million illegal immigrants, our Whitehouse is made up of a large number of dual citizens, mostly Israeli dual citizens who have allegiance to
foreign nations:
Think about it, nothing wrong with immigrating to the USA or to Mexico but that is not what is happening. The US are using foreigners to weaken the
Constitution, confuse our National sovereignty and reduce individual human rights.
This data referenced demonstrates that the US military is largely foreign based.
Bill I wrote this for you, not to insult you or to tell you are wrong, but instead, to encourage you to do some research where you may be uninformed
about an issue which is important to your sense of well being. If you don't understand the truth around you you can not respond to problems affecting
you. You can thank me when you finish reading all the references and understand how being misinformed hurts your ability to respond to your world and
your ability to interpret false media messages.
You can read what has been reported, you can decide for yourself but please do not project your frustrations and misunderstanding upon me over the
confusing state of affairs of which we suffer today as a result of this chaos and distraction.
Furthermore it does shock me how poorly informed many posters are here, as is demonstrated daily yet those who are so clearly misinformed never seem
to see that the US news is misleading you with propaganda. There are reports of facts but you seem to forget quickly. There is a big difference
between 'might have', 'could have' and a stated verifiable fact. The US news makes many 'suggestions' without substantiated facts which leads to a
great deal of confusion. Does this bother you at all? Try reading foreign news.
Contrary to your fantasy that I am a trust funder, I am not, in fact my family history is decidedly against any form of nepotism and we all live
simple and frugal lives. I work, I pay my own bills, I have many skills which serve me well from a lifetime in high tech to practical basic skills. I
can work as a technical expert in IA/webapps/sound/video and IT as well as in common labor skills from construction to manufacturing design, I teach
and I enjoy art, writing, painting and gardening all of which I can earn a living from and survive. I can cook, clean, dig ditches, do plumbing and
electrical and fix cars, rig boats, and I enjoy sailing often. I am going to survive the chaos. I live very well on a very tight budget. I have
incurred no debt. I evangelize efficiency which is my area of expertise and especially I encourage people to be informed. I sometimes work as a
project coordinator for high tech long distance group projects worldwide. Instead of being an insulting and arrogant oldtimer, I urge you to consider
its not too late to learn what is happening around you, get informed and do your homework, you would benefit from lifting your blinders-you could even
volunteer. Turn off your tv and try reading a book and get your head around this stuff.
I like you and everyone here and my energy is purely compassion aimed at encouraging you to become informed and empowered. We are in an serious
crisis. We need educated people, Mass Media is not informing you well, division is not serving you well, the Federal Admin is not serving you well.
Individual Rights
Empire
Military
Bailout
Bankruptcy
Infrastructure
Immigration
The Mass Media is pushing a divisive agenda to convince you that racism is the source of criticism of the Obama Federal Administration failures, which
is false and unsubstantiated.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Howard Zinn
I'm assuming we've located another one of those people who are driving up the price of Aluminum Foil thanks to their wholesale purchases for interior
insulation and Head wear.
One thing I feel the GNU-Age Illuminati fails to take into consideration in their conspiratorial musings is the fact that it is entirely likely
they've actually stumbled across a world plot engineered by Aliens from a distant galaxy who have taken over the entire Political-Corporate-Banking
hierarchy, replacing the key figures with Cloned Hybrids doing their bidding via beamed subliminal instructions from a distance of light-years. It's
no surprise that Gnu is unaware of this vital connection since the Conquering Galaxy Time-Troopers advanced technology long-ago figured out how to
beam through the aluminum safety barrier thus rendering even the fortresses of the Gnu-Ilk Gnostics vulnerable.
In the interest of better communication, education and greater GNU awareness, I will allow sufficient time for the Gnus to assimilate and understand
the implications of this revelation before I go into detail over the reasons behind, and the methodology now in use, which makes it clear how the
Illegal Aliens (who are, in fact, REALLY Aliens) are woven into the overall master-plan to completely enslave the Human race. What's left of it,
anyway. It's getting harder and harder to tell the Clones from the Real thing.
I'm sure that we can agree that the foregoing is at least as rational and believable as the Gnu Epistle.
"....with the Mexican economy floundering under the NAFTA economic model, many looked northward for their jobs. Migration to the United States doubled
from the already high pre-NAFTA levels, despite stepped-up enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border. The border crackdown not only failed to slow the
influx, it paradoxically encouraged those who survived the perilous journey to stay rather than risk repeated trips for seasonal work, as many had
done before.
The new migrants have found work in the United States at Smithfield and other industrial livestock operations, among other places. Undocumented
workers make up an estimated one-quarter of the workforce in packing houses."
The border crackdown not only failed to slow the influx, it paradoxically encouraged those who survived the perilous journey to stay rather than risk
repeated trips for seasonal work, as many had done before.
I think that this is the crux of the issue, because most Mexican I have Talked to and have read about don't really want to stay there just work and
come home with some money.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
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