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jrbaja
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In real life
I'd be willing to bet that gw is the second most hated guy on the planet excluding a very few gringos who still are supporting him. Amazing!
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MrBillM
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Love that Bush
My own experience in Baja has been that, the more successful a Mexican is (economically), the more likely he is to support GWB. Not much different
in the U.S.
As far as how well the world at large likes GWB, WHO CARES. They don't get a vote and we've got the Aircraft Carriers and Nukes. Remember "If you've
got them by the Balls, their Hearts and Minds will follow".
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beercan
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ignorance is alive and well .
Just as I don't try and" fiqure" other countries attitudes and politics, I see that most of the "non U.S. people" on this board shouldn't either.
Our country needed strong leadership and WE elected him !!! Not the rest of the world !!!!!!!!
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Baja Bernie
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JR
For not being involved in politics you sure do keep beating the same old drum.
Hose A--Thanks and it does mean something to me.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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bajalou
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Addressing the topis of this thread---
If you don' want to be F***ed, don't assume the possition...
And it's about the same everywhere I have been.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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yankeeirishman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
Some thoughts on moving to a foreign country.
1. Learn the language at least a little.
2. Don't move to a gringo enclave where thieves like to prey
3. Don't move to a city
4. Meet and talk to the local people
5. Show them you are either a good or bad person. (they can tell)
6. Don't complain
7. Don't try to change anything your first week or year
there.
8. Make a friend
9. Don't think that you are better than them for whatever silly reasons. You are not.
10. Learn from the locals and don't try to teach them your ways
11. Mind your own business
12. Don't tell them you like george bush!
13. Respect everyone, no matter thier appearance or social status
14. Mind your own business
15. When you are established/respected, work together with the community to make things happen for the benefit of all, not just you.
16. Mind your own business |
#3. San Felipe is just fine!
#12. This would had been a good post... the politic statement here ruined that! Save GB for the off topics.
#14. I dont mind my own business...I nose in to see, and to hear. Then submit my point if asked!
Otherwise.......some good points here jrbaja. I want to say that on #4.....I like to venture into the back country, and seek out the locals. Sit
around, chat...see their lifestyles.....feel their life as one might say. The city folks are too busy at times to mendle.
[Edited on 8-6-2005 by yankeeirishman]
What control freaks there are here. Don\'t believe that post you just read!
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jrbaja
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For a ruined post
there sure are a lot of replies, including yours Yankee! And it wasn't a political statement, it was about advice for gringos/foreigners moving to a
foreign country.
Some people just seem a little touchy about their hero who isn't even sure of himself. Even when his name is just mentioned it sets off a certain
group coming to his defense. Insecurity perhaps?
It's part of the advice is all and if yall don't believe me, you probably don't get around down here much. Too bad!
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beercan
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Appreciate your thoughts and advise. jr
But stick to your own politics . you've got an "elected leader" too. I don't make jokes or run him down.
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jrbaja
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Fair enough
No more politics from me.
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yankeeirishman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
there sure are a lot of replies, including yours Yankee! And it wasn't a political statement, it was about advice for gringos/foreigners moving to a
foreign country.
Some people just seem a little touchy about their hero who isn't even sure of himself. Even when his name is just mentioned it sets off a certain
group coming to his defense. Insecurity perhaps?
It's part of the advice is all and if yall don't believe me, you probably don't get around down here much. Too bad! |
Hey ol' boy...dont get all brusie! Read the WHOLE reply to see this statement. "Otherwise.......some good points here jrbaja"...you need not defend
yourself to me jrbaja..I happen to be one of the few that likes your statements. Now...go brusie the other folks here 12. Don't tell them you like george bush! ....can be gathered as an political
statement by some readers, fyi.
[Edited on 8-6-2005 by yankeeirishman]
What control freaks there are here. Don\'t believe that post you just read!
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jrbaja
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Brusie?
For a self proclaimed "peace keeper", that sure seems like atroll to me. But
hey, I thought this was a basically innocent post, at least coming from me!
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yankeeirishman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
For a self proclaimed "peace keeper", that sure seems like atroll to me. But
hey, I thought this was a basically innocent post, at least coming from me!
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jrbaja...you are taking my words out of context! I havent troll or flame you here......do you understand that?
What control freaks there are here. Don\'t believe that post you just read!
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jrbaja
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I wasn't talking about me
I don't understand the Brusie part. Sorry
And I thought everyone on here likes what I have to say! You mean they don't?
Heck
[Edited on 8/6/2005 by jrbaja]
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Debra
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DOUG HELP! The software is screwing up again! I came to the general board and somehow ended up in the political forum!!!!!!
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Baja Bernie
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Couldn't resist this one!!!!
Be happy!
Don't let anything burst your balloon!
Boogie through life!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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bajaruby
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Hey Y.I.M.,
Good to see ya on the board again.
To everyone that has a b-gripe, If you voted you have a right to b-gripe, if not then all you have a right to is live with it. NO B-GRIPE
RIGHT
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yankeeirishman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaruby
Hey Y.I.M.,
Good to see ya on the board again.
To everyone that has a b-gripe, If you voted you have a right to b-gripe, if not then all you have a right to is live with it. NO B-GRIPE
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It's good to be back. Seems to have gotten alittle better with some here, with their interrelations with one another. I said "it seems"!
Oh....I'll gripe as I have in the past. And debate. And make fun at some! These votes (or polls)...I do not partake to them. Kiddy stuff. I hope the
violent threats do not occure here again....that was crapola. Ruins good reading. Not the Baja sprite! 
Hey..Stinsen Beach is warm warm warm! Ya really missing a special time there! No suits are needed ,now for the water.
What control freaks there are here. Don\'t believe that post you just read!
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flyfishinPam
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Numero doce
| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
bring up u.s.politics in my travels. Don't even like it that much on here!~
What I will say is that the rural Mexican folks used to bring it up plenty when I started going down there. I was asked everywhere I went how I feel
about the war.....
....ALL of them considered gb the same as bin laden! I couldn't argue!!
This is about some ideas about foreigners moving to another country. I got these ideas from the gwb handbook on how to win friends and fit in while
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I have found that the same thing has happened to me as described above. I don't like to talk politics with Americans because it seems to be a waste
of time, but Mexicans sure love to talk politics. Since the PAN won the people have really opened up and since the torres the talk about Bush began.
At least that's when I noticed it. Also the fact that my Spanish really improved about then made a difference.
JR, the people have opened up to you and are telling you how they really feel. I hear the same things. You have become a persona de confianza to
them and that's a compliment.
For the most part, because I seem to see both sides, the Mexican people do not agree with GWB and his doctrine. They are afraid of it. But do you
think they would say that to an American that they don't know very well? No because it could hurt them financially. If a bartender spoke his or her
mind on this subject at gringo happy hour, how much in tips do you thinks they would bring home? They simply don't want to bite off the hands that
feed them, at least where tourism is the driving force of the economy.
Pure and simple, unless you're a really good friend and truly understand their language, they are telling you what they think you want to hear. So if
you want to not make waves and just enjoy yourself in Mexico keep your politics at home. That is the point JR was trying to make when he mentioned
numero doce.
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Barry A.
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That attitude-----
is EXACTLY what has gotten us into this mess with the Muslim extremists in the first place, IMHO. As long as we keep avoiding verbally what has been
going on for over 20 years, and we HAVE been for the most part, we will reap the consequences, and they ain't purty. The "media" for the most part is
so misleading, that we are in serious trouble (and most don't even know it), just like they/we did during the Viet Nam war-----it is
disgusting-------but they (the media) "mean well", of course. Jeeeeeeez!!!!! Tunnel vision!!!!!
The Muslim extremists want to bury us----the whole western world----and that includes Mexico. At least Bush and Tony Blair (and many others) can see
what is going on, and are bold enough to take action to stop it, or at least keep it in check. If you think that these statements are paranoid, just
stayed tuned. It is not over by a long shot. This is going to be a long, drawn out WAR, and there is no avoiding it, no matter what the "majority"
thinks, or the Mexicano's, for that matter.
This subject just drives me crazy, and should not be addressed on this board-----this is for the "Off topic" board-----but when it IS brought to this
board, it has to be challenged, IMHO.
Lets go back to discussing Baja Ca., not this divisive political stuff----it is not getting us anywhere, and I am as guilty as anyone.
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eetdrt88
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isn't it time to put down our weapons...
and spark up the peace pipe...follow Mr potato head,he will lead us
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