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wilderone
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Grogan, et al. don't give a hoot about what happens after they make the sale. Their modus operandi is walk away from the development after it's
passed off to others to finish. That's the way their "Trust for Sustainable Development" is organized as a development company. They're selling
pipedreams.
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wilderone
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I went to a LoretoBay presentation in San Diego last night. There were few hard facts beyond what hype there is on their website. The word
"sustainability" is tossed around, but no real applicability to the project. Says 123 homes sold already, with 3,000-4,000 projected to be built on
3,000 acres. He hyped a future equestrian center, $1 million wine cellar; 10 tennis courts and 6 spas. They plan film festivals. The price tag on the
Beach Club initiation fee was $20,000, but if you put up your $5,000 last night, the Beach Club initiation fee was reduced to $5,000. The annual
maintenance fees alone would make ownership restrictive in my opinion: $1,800 HOA fees, and $2,400 utility fees; taxes at $1,500. That's a minimum of
about $500/mo., not even considering the homeloan. The whole thing is getting more and more bizarre. He calls it an "authentic" Mexican town, and
along with this, there is film depicting some mainland Mexican city. They have a very skewed view of what a town in Baja California should look like
- called it "European". ???!!! Seems oxymarooonic to call it "authentic" and then not market it to Mexicans, design it by Canadians to look like
something "European." The intro was a lot of hype about getting caught up in materialism and keeping things simple, enjoying nature, blah, blah,
blah, and then turn around and offer $20,000 beach club memberships. What a load of @#$%^.
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very disgusting to hear.....
again the actions of a few give a bad name to us good developers.....
'course i suppose there are those out there that would say my projects are a sham too.
but seriously folks... i at first was open minded about this gig, now i am less sure.
glad i am trailer trash in mooooolehaaaaayyyyy!!!!!   
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Wow...can't believe this thread is still going on. Was not able to spend as much time in Loreto as planned as we were caring for our new dog who
found us in the desert near Todos(more about that on a different line)... We drove thru Nopolo and examined all the "little" plots of land that were
cordonned off and labelled "sold" by Villages of Loreto. Definetely not for the person who is going to Baja to experience the traditions of the
locals!! Nopolo had some lovely homes and well manicured streets, made me feel like I was back in some of the neighborhoods of home. Not what I want
to experience when in Baja.
I agree with Pam. This project would be good for the economy and there are obviously people who want that type of existence in Baja...not for me.
Give me a piece of land in Todos, high on a hill so I can see the mountains and valley. I want to hear the roosters in the middle of the night, the
cayotees in the desert, the barking dogs, the music coming from the local neighbors homes....I WANT TO GO BACK!!!!
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The latest
At the risk of getting flamed by the anti-development types, here's the latest on Loreto Bay. Apparently their June sales event did quite well.
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but many will question if it is happening......no I...don't really desire it, but it will not stop. In fact, it will only pick up steam. Wait till
our economy is fully back on track..
When searching for the end of your rainbow you only have until dusk....
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jrbaja
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Remember Punta Banda?
Childsplay!!
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Skeet/Loreto
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"Where's the Water?
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Water? We don't need no stinking water!
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jrbaja
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Are those the guys
that did the presentation in San Diego ?
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So you want to buy some Baja
I just came across this sit out of La Paz who have up for sale:
1. 1.5 kilometers of beachfront adjacent to the Mogote Penninsula for only $10,000,000 USD.
2. Cerralvo Island for $30,000,000 USD.
Baja is getting expencive,no
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capt. mike
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JR, it's Jim Grogan's development/mgmt
group out of Scottsdale. you can get to it via the loreto bay web.
you should attend one of his seminars, you could have a field day!
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capn.sharky
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I have a bridge in Brooklyn too!
There is an old rule about investing in Mexico...its like going to Las Vegas. Don't take more money than you can afford to lose. Now I realize that
to alot of you $150,000 may seem a real bargain, but its far to rich for my blood. How about some oceanfront property in Arizona? I will believe it
when I see it. Yes, it would be good for Loreto (maybe). However, the new El Camino Hotel and the Whales Inn aren't exactly bringing alot of new
money into town. Hell, it costs $30.00 round trip to go into Loreto from the El Camino. Also, Loreto Bay plans to put in their own shopping centers
down in Nopolo---so why drive to Loreto. Just a bunch of Gringos wanting to live among more Gringos. Actually, they are mainly Cannucks. Oh well,
to each his own.
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last laugh
what is wrong with living around a bunch of folks from Canada. while Americans b-tch about prices in the Baja,we are buying it all up.
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wilderone
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Yes, you Canadian leeches are buying up "the Baja." (gag me) What's wrong? Let me count the ways:
1. You're destroying the ecology with your appetite for some semblance of Canada implanted in Baja California;
2. The fast and furious over-development is not a natural progression borne of need, but rather the result of a handful of people who want to line
their pockets at the expense of destroying the land for all time;
3. The influx of more people - the emigrants seeking a job as a waiter, maid or handyman and the habitants of the new dwellings, will bring inherent
pollution: effluent, refuse, noise and societal.
4. These developments are on the shores of the already taxed Sea of Cortez which struggles even now to remain healthy and sustain its populations of
fish, bird, mammal species. Additional pollutants in the water, thousands more people extracting from the sea will take their toll, hastening the
degradation of the Sea of Cortez;
5. Developments such as Nopolo, a fabrication atypical of what is found in Loreto, will isolate its inhabitants from an authentic Mexican town and
its inhabitants, creating a cultural and economic division, i.e., all the ills of segregation;
6. The intrinsic value that nature in its pristine state provides to mankind - peace, regeneration, well being, joy - are lost with the introduction
of anything that destroys that unspoiled state, and those places are becoming fewer and fewer - but many, many more generations need the promises that
nature in its unspoiled state can provide.
You Canadians are akin to the marauders of Spain, raping the land for your own selfish, greedy desire, irrespective of any consequences. You should
be ashamed of yourselves for your personal participatiion in the destruction of such a special place on earth. Open your eyes and see what you're
really doing.
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jrbaja
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You forgot to mention the fact
that the majority of canadians that are doing the buying are the most self centered obnoxious pieces of dung that I run into down here.
They feel they are better than the Mexicans and gringos because of who knows what but the fact is, they are doing harm to the environment just by
being themselves.
Perhaps a little bit of the Tripui incident needs to find it's way to Comitan, eh anonymous hoser?
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Now wait a minute! I thought gringos were any non-Mexican national. Now you're telling me I have to differentiate between caucasions of different
nationalities?
[Edited on 7-22-2004 by FrankO]
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Gringos
The word Gringo comes from the Mexican American War. American soldiers wore green coats. When spotted, the mexican soldier would yell Green
Coats---hence gringo. So that would pretty much eliminate the Cannucks from being Gringos. Do I detect a little hostility about the Canadians here?
They are very easy to spot in Baja. They are the ones trying hard not to fit in. They drive the really big expensive motorhomes and could care less
about the mexicans that live in Baja. I am sure there are a few exceptions and I know I will run into one, one of these days.
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jrbaja
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Yep
Those are the ones I seem to run into as well. Besides the ones that actually bought here. They have taken rudeness to a new level.
And they get ripped off regularly, treated as they deserve to be treated by the locals eh, and b-tch and complain aboot the Mexicans who respect
almost everybody.
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Flags in the sand
I love it when you pull into a beach like Tecolote and the motorhomes are in a circle each one wearing a Canadian flag.they live for free for months
and only go into town to buy ice or the use internet cafe,It's funny Mexico has some of the best beer anywhere and they bring a 3 months supply of
Hamms.
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