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Cypress
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You're gonna do this or that with sticks, machetes, sprays against somebody with an assault weapon? You're gonna get injured. Have been injured a time or two. Ain't fun. Been hurt once or twice. Being hurt is way better than being injured.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
You're gonna do this or that with sticks, machetes, sprays against somebody with an assault weapon? You're gonna get injured. Have been injured a time or two. Ain't fun. Been hurt once or twice. Being hurt is way better than being injured. |
And even more better then being dead !!
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
You're gonna do this or that with sticks, machetes, sprays against somebody with an assault weapon? You're gonna get injured. Have been injured a time or two. Ain't fun. Been hurt once or twice. Being hurt is way better than being injured. |
I think everyone who has expressed their legal preference for a weapon in Mexico will agree that an assault weapon trumps everything.
It's still no reason to go like a lamb to the slaughter. It's not like we would simply brandish our weapons in the face of a firearm anyway. I
wouldn't. People with firearms usually make it's presence known very early in the confrontation. It's the people like the ones who came upon the poor
soul on PLaya Armenta that I want to deter.
This is all about personal preference. If you prefer to have NO means of protection, I wish you well.
[Edited on 12-13-2006 by Hook]
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Mango
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I prefer one of these:
Fill it with 6 D-cell's and you've got yourself a midevil mace. A great technique is to hold the end with the light with one hand(almost like a
baseball bat, but hold your arm like you will throw a football), blind your attacker with the light, then wack them with it.
My friend whose father is a Sheriff taught me that little trick. He also told me you could get busted for having a weapon; unless, there were
batteries in it. Funny, because it wouldn't be a very good weapon without the weight of the batteries.
You can also get a clip to hold the flashlight under your car seat, etc.
However; I generally rely on my smile, sharp tounge, and the overbearing physique surrounding my beer gut to save my behind.
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Geronimo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mango
I prefer one of these:
Fill it with 6 D-cell's and you've got yourself a midevil mace. A great technique is to hold the end with the light with one hand(almost like a
baseball bat, but hold your arm like you will throw a football), blind your attacker with the light, then wack them with it.
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If you tape all the batteries together they wont rattle, little tip I learned from a repo man. I have seen colapsable battons that took the place of
three of the batteries, also a lead slug that fit in place of three of the batteries. Both of these were used by the same La Paz county Deputy.
\"The only cure is to be perpetually South Bound\"
~Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers from the song Mexicosis
Geronimo
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Geronimo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mango
I prefer one of these:
Fill it with 6 D-cell's and you've got yourself a midevil mace. A great technique is to hold the end with the light with one hand(almost like a
baseball bat, but hold your arm like you will throw a football), blind your attacker with the light, then wack them with it.
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If you tape all the batteries together they wont rattle, little tip I learned from a repo man. I have seen colapsable battons that took the place of
three of the batteries, also a lead slug that fit in place of three of the batteries. Both of these were used by the same La Paz county Deputy.
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I carried one of these on a duty belt. It weighed a ton. It's a great weapon although very heavy.
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Cypress
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If you have a gun and the other guy has a flashlight?? Is there something wrong
with that picture?
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DanO
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| Quote: | A gun does trump no gun but only in the hands of someone skilled with a gun, really. In the hands of someone with no experience -- a kid, a
drunken overweight lardburro, bets are off.
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Indeed. I was on the beach in front of the Rosarito Hotel years ago, and a drunken bum who was asleep a few yards away woke up, rolled to his feet,
pulled a rusty revolver out of his waistband and started waving it around, demanding money from everyone in the vicinity. Three U.S. marines with
their girlfriends happened to be the closest to him, and they took him out so fast you would have missed it if you had blinked. Looked like it hurt.
On another note, I have to nominate Bajaguy's piece as one of the funniest things I've ever read on this board. Hey Bajaguy, you want to demo the
pepper spray too?
[Edited on 12-14-2006 by DanO]
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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bajaguy
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Honest, I didn't do it to myself.....
And no on the pepper spray.......had enough of that during training.but thanks anyway!!!
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Honest, I didn't do it to myself.....
And no on the pepper spray.......had enough of that during training.but thanks anyway!!! |
How come nobody believes you? The post was written like, well, your style of writing. It's really OK if you did do it. Just don't do it
again?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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bajaguy
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Cypress
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Careful! If someone has an assault weapon pointed at your chest, beware, he just might pull the trigger. Before he can take his finger of the trigger
you have just absorbed no less than three rounds of full metal-jacket mayhem. He'll probably use your flashlight , if it's dark, to see what you have
in your pockets.
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Careful! If someone has an assault weapon pointed at your chest, beware, he just might pull the trigger. Before he can take his finger of the trigger
you have just absorbed no less than three rounds of full metal-jacket mayhem. He'll probably use your flashlight , if it's dark, to see what you have
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I've never suggested that anyone use a flashlight against anyone with a gun, although others might have. If you want to go mano a mano with a guy
with an assault rifle I'd sugest getting a tank.
A good heart and smile will solve more problems than any weapon will ever solve; however, it doesn't hurt to have a plan of action incase the other
person has a bad heart and does not have any interest in solving problems.
You will be much better off if you have some idea in advance what you will do if confronted by a malicious person. In any confrontation, you try to
stack the odds in your favor. If you have a 5lb flashlight that will crack skulls with a single blow, one reason why police use them, and the other
guy does not.. you are in pretty good shape.
If the other person has a gun and you don't...I'd sugest your plan involve running or cooperating; depending on the situation.
I played rugby years ago; so, my plan is to be nice to everyone and avoid problems; but, use my size and experience being a human battering ram to
intimidate and beat down evil-doers that try to foil the first part of my plan. (I'm still working on my Nacho Libre outfit )
After years of traveling all over Mexico I have yet to be robbed at gunpoint and only had two encounters with failed pick pockets, one by a drunk in
Los Mochis and another on the DF Metro. Both potential pick pockets fled after a mean look from me, an aggressive stance, and a raised fist. I never
hit them, nor did I ever want to. But, the pickpocktes realized that their jig was up and I was not afraid of pummeling them until the police arrived
if that is what I was forced to do.
Most people are honest and good in Mexico. I've been on buses where every other person had a machete (including me  ) The people on the bus were more likely to cut some fruit for me to eat than rob me
or bust out into a spontanious reenactment of the Pirates of the Caribbean. Sure you will have some bad apples; but, if you are aware and the bad
guys know it.. they will move on and find some easier pickings.
My flashlight will work well as a weapon on pretty much anyone without a gun. It is a last resort, my shock and awe. I avoid violence if at all
possible. I'd prefer to be using my flashlight to find a lost beer in that dark than have to show someone the "light" the hard way.
BTW - The only time I have been robbed at gunpoint was here in the USA. Also, I've had a gun drawn on me for stopping a guy from beating up
my female neighbor in college. Finally, I've been shot at by pochers while hiking in the woods here in the USA. So go figure... which side of the
cage are we on?
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Baja Bernie
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This quote might end this silly post
"The people on the bus were more likely to cut some fruit for me to eat than rob me."
Even were you exposed to the dangers that have been spoken of here very few of you would be willing to employ those fearsome weapons you have spoken
of. Without the will the weapons are nothing.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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fdt
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Le das matarile
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Mango
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Machetes are very handy when traveling in the jungle or rain forest areas of Mexico. It is common to see people carry them on thier hips about town
or on the 2nd class buses and Combis in the more rugged rural areas of the mainland. These people are not thugs or bandits. They are just people
going about their normal day...using tools.. to clear paths, harvest food, prepare food, chop wood, etc...
| Quote: | | Without the will the weapons are nothing. |
Wise words indeed.
My old rugby coach once told the team, "If you miss a tackle, it is because you chose not to make it. If you really want to tackle someone, you will
choose to do so."
I have limited training and practice with firearms; but, I know enough about their capabilities to respect them. A machete, the same. I prefer to
deal with what I know. I know how to hurt people with my body; and, I know people know how to hurt me too. I have no intrest in hurting anyone or
allowing anyone to hurt me or my family if I can avoid it.
No matter where you are - Mexico, Zambia, Italy, or the USA - it is not a bad idea to do a little thinking ahead about what your own abilties, needs,
and desires for personal security are before you get caught with your pants down. I have no intrest in putting my head in the sand or becoming an
easy target when I have the ability and foresight to do otherwise.
People in Mexico are great. Danger is a relative term. The amount of it that you experience depends greatly upon your own actions. Sometimes its
random and out of our control; but, more often it falsely perceived, self induced, or ignored all together. I feel safer in Mexico than I do in most
places in the USA. And yes... I sleep with a locked door and a big flashlight next to my bed.
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
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Como escuincle que pica al can para ver que onda... 
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One witness is better than two.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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DonBaja
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1. If he has a gun he's won
2. If he has a knife the only place he's gonna stab me is in the ass
3. If he has a knife and I have a machete then he will soon be a one armed bandit.
I go out of my way to avoid problems, but I also protect my wife, myself and my property.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DonBaja
1. If he has a gun he's won.....
I go out of my way to avoid problems, but I also protect my wife, myself and my property. |
I'd rethink number one. Doesn't have to be that way. Protecting property is one thing. Protecting your wife is another. There's enough info
around to know how to handle someone with a gun.
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Barry A.
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I have not read all the way thru this thread, but I would protect my property just as vigorously as I would protect my life----------in other words I
catch somebody stealing my property INSIDE my house they can expect to be shot.
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