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pargo
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OH WOW, OH MAN!!!
What the hell is going on with you people? Especially you Skeet/Loreto ESQ. Been reading your posts for awhile and i have great respect for you. You
are a man of great accomplisment.."You are a gentle man and a scholar, you own a mansion and a yaght "
" what effect did the commercials have on wiping out the cod in peugot"
" What effect has the loss of any species had on the world"
Nothing apparently except for maybe....THEY'RE FREEKIN GONE!!!
How do you justify that dude? ....It's just wrong thats all there is to it!
What happened to just being wrong, manning up and doing something about it. Instead of finding excuses to justify or question the validity of such
matters. You know it's a bad situation Skeet, inside of you, you know it is, regardless of the effects.
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Iflyfish
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Osprey,
Good one!
The Nature Conservancy has been successfully employing the strategy of buying land to preserve it from development.
You have a very good idea there! Buy the permits.
Ifyfish
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Iflyfish
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Skeet,
You posted "Being trained to look for "Facts" have been a part of my Life."
I respect and admire the time that you have spent of your precious life serving others. Not many of us would be willing to be a policeman. I was a
deputy sheriff for a few years and saw death and ignorance up real close and personal. I have since then been very grateful that there are people
willing to do this very difficult and challenging work.
I would point out that sometimes looking at "facts" can blind us to a larger picture. You will no doubt have discovered this while doing
investigations. I once took on a GO master, Chinese game, simple really, on the surface, just black and white stones, surround your opponent and you
win, they lose. I thought I was kicking his can really good as I focused on the placement of each stone. I failed to look at the larger view, the
entire board. While I was cornering and surrounding little piles of his stones, he had successfully surrounded the board! Lesson learned.
I was pleased to see you noticed the demise of the Tutuava and I appreciate your thinking regarding the causes. I had the pleasure of catching one of
these magnificent fish in the 1970s, it was beautiful and delicious. I miss that fish, I believe that many do. I do not know what the larger affect of
toppling that domino had in relation to the rest of the environment. However, like your description of the damming of the Colorado stopping the river,
stopping nutrient flow, catching all the shrimp etc. affecting the loss of this species, I would imagine that the dominoes down line of the Tutuava
were also affected. This is how ecosystems work. We disrupt them at our own peril.
Thank you for responding to my post.
Iflyfish
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MrBillM
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A Simple Answer
Thanks to an earlier post, I now know the remedy for the problem.
We all need to wear a Black Ribbon. We should have realized that sooner. It has been so effective in solving so many other problems.
I can handle that.
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mike odell
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disaster followup
We fished day before yesterday, ran 40 mile south of Punta Colorada Hotel to pick up our edible ration of football tuna,
we were first on the bite. Lot of porpise,found 4 dead ones floating,left behind like trash from the damned tuna boat.
Very sad indeed. Sorta dampend the spirts for the otherwise nice day. Took pictures of the porpoise but dont know how to post them yet. All the rest
of the day, not a thing happening. Didn't see the rapists.
Cant find a site on google on how to make your own hand held stinger missles!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Pargo: I 0wna Home on 5 Acres in the Texas Panhandle- No Yacht- Do have a 19/8 Ft. Arkansas Travelier with a 175 I/o Boat for sale on a Trailer for
$2500.
First: I think that we should teach the New Generation how to Fight and Work.
Second: I cannot agree that the Posting of Scare Tactics will solve the Problem.
It may be when the Population grows and the Fish is nearly gone, then maybe the Human Species will do something about it.
We cannot make the Future over in our own Image!
Osprey: No! I would not be in the Same room with the Likes of Ted Turner!!
I have had my run in with that Slob on Ten Mile Creek in Montana when he Riff Rafted to try to keep me from Fishing.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Iflyfish:
Cause and effect.
In my humble Opinion one of the Major Causes of the Loss of a Species in the Sea of Cortez was caused by the taking of the Shrimp from the North
Portion of the Sea{Totorova} SP} which was Helped more by the Keeping the Colorado River from Flowing into the Sea.
Why??
Because the Human Species, mostly from Southern California would not have a place to spent their weekends Boating, Fishing, Taking their Clothes off
to make Porno Movies at Lake Havasu City.
Fish just think "What Good" could be done if we let a lot more of the Colo. River return the Nutrients to the Sea of Cortez?
I had much rather Fish than watch a Porno!
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Can't we have fish and porno?
I think the Tortuava got wipe out because thwy were easy to catch in nets and the tatsted too darn good. But I believe they are making a comeback and
may be a viable fish stock in the future.
There's no doubt that damming the Colorado had a negative impact. But that is a mistake made long in the past and unlikely to be undone.
But that certainly does not justify making more bad decisions and repeating mistakes like overfishing by the mexico commercial fleet.
Let's try to stay focused here.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Skeet/Loreto
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Fishbuck: Very Good Words.
I would Hope that some of these People who would really like to do something Worthwhile would Consider the Following:
Put their Pressure on Canada to sell their Excess Water to be sent down the Colo. River, used by the States for Power, then contuine to Baja and into
the Sea of Cortez. That is something that could be done!
Gotta Go- Joel Osteen is coming on and I sure like his Positive Attitude about Life.
Skeet/Loreto
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fishbuck
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Here's a little article about the Totuava. Maybe if we red this we can help prevent history from repeating.
Totuava, Cynoscion macdonaldi
Address:http://www.viabaja.com/Baja1/Totuava.htm
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Cypress
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Thanks for sharing the article fishbuck. 
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MrBillM
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Skeet Shots
It is interesting to read the extent to which Skeet's Evangelical thought process influences his view of every subject, in this case the Dams on the
Colorado River.
Those Dams were built for ONE reason only. That reason was the need for Hydroelectric power. A secondary consideration was control of the water
supply. Recreational use (including Porno Movies, I guess) was simply a result of the lakes creation.
Anyone (myself included) who, in the 1950s, visited Lake Mead, Lake Havasu and (later) Lake Powell, clearly knows that the recreational activities on
the lake were minor. Lake Mead developed quicker because it was near to a moderate population center. Lake Havasu was truly primitive, especially on
the California side. Havasu City was basically created as a land hustle by the McCullough Corporation.
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bajalou
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Another big push for the Colorado river dams (and those on many other rivers) is flood control. Lots of homes etc washed away by the periodic
flooding of the Colo.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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Slowmad
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A few hundred Nomads clicking on this won't hurt.
It's fast and easy.
http://www.seawatch.org/mail_campaign/norma_letter.php
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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Slowmad
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Just noticed the previous posting of the link...lo siento, compañeros.
But it's important.
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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MrBillM
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No Argument Lou
When I mentioned Control of the Water Supply I was thinking in terms of both controlling the periodic flooding and mitigating the effects of Drought
years on the Water users. My error was in not explaining in better detail.
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Osprey
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Mr. Bill, how much fishing do you do these days? How much new thinking do you do these days? Maybe you're just an echo from the guys in the
bleachers who really never played the game.
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Capt. George
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The great influx of non-fishing baby boomers buying up and creating gated communities in Baja will lessen the importance of fish and fishermen..bring
more golf balls, leave your own balls at home.
Have seen it happen many times in the Northeast, we will (and are) becoming an expendable commodity in Baja and the Mexican governments scheme of
things...
Everyone knows more money can be made through sport fishing then the commercial rape of the Sea of Cortez, but my friends, that makes it harder for
the thieves in Mexico City to get their hands on it.
It's a slippery slide on a downward slope and there ain't gonna be no back peddling. So sad.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Crusoe
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OH YES CAPT. GEORGE........How right you are. After all, it is Mexico!! ++C++
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Cypress
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Catch information shows that 10% of the sports fishermen catch 90% of the fish. They contribute a lot more $ to the local economy than a couple of factory ships based in Japan.
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Osprey
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In the U.S. here's the way the revenues stack up for fishing
1. commercial = 9.9 billion dollars supporting 126,000 jobs
2. salt water recreational = 34 billion dollars supporting 360,000 jobs
source: Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership
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