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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by howat
Am I missing something here? The charter boat captain does not have the legal papers to operate the boat and other documentation is suspect so the
navy captain decides to tow the boat back to Ensenada to let his superiors sort out the inconsistencies. Just like we do in the USA. If there's an
idiot in this story, it's the one(s) on this board who are so arrogant that they think they are all knowing of the circumstances of this event. "Ugly
Americans" at their best! I welcome the mexican authorities that are taking the initative and enforcing their maritime/fishing laws EQUALLY all over
baja at the objections of law breaking americans and mexicans. I, as a law biding guest in the beautiful country of Mexico and I'm sure others,
welcome this new respect for the enforcement of their laws.
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Well said sir!
Personal responsibility is the answer, I am sorry for the drastic consequences of the fairly minor infraction, but what do you expect when you ride
the edge of disaster like this?
Others have mentioned the fact that the Navy encounters Narco-tracifficers on a somewhat routine basis. These poor guys don't know what they are up
against when they board a boat. I have some experience with this on the Mexican/Guatemalan border. Try fishing/flying /driving/anything down there
without your visa, your passport, and a copy of both in your sock. The buck stops with you.
Fly low, land on roads.
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JZ
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Am I missing something here? |
Yeah you are big time. Based on the known facts, it seems like it was very heavy handed.
Hope you (or someone with you) don't ever forget one of your papers/id someday and end up in a world of hurt.
Be sure you always check ALL of the papers of the captain you go out with so you don't end up getting hauled up the coast for hours on end and lose
thousands of dollars of your gear. Hope you know of everything to look for and stay current with the changing regs and different interpretations.
You and Cap have zero clue if you don't think it could happen to you someday. I don't give a sh@t how prepared you "think" you are. Come back to us
on that day. Maybe we will show a little more sympathy than you two #@$%'s have...
[Edited on 9-25-2007 by JZ]
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Crusoe
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In Defense of the Mexican Navy........The Mexican Navy has a very tough job at hand. There are drug wars going on all over Mexico and alot of the
drugs are transferred and shipped by boats of all types.......In 30 years of sailing off the Baja coast and the Mexican mainland engaged in a variety
of sail boat delivery jobs, myself and crew have been boarded by the Mexican Navy 7 times. Each time after the initial shake down and they were
satisfied with shipspapers/documentation and crew passports we were always treated with respect and kindness. As captain, I always treated each person
with the utmost of courtesy and respect. It was always mutual and returned....One time I heard of a tale fisthand in P.V. in Banderas Bay, of an
american cruising couple who were returning from a 13 year citcumnavigation that were run down at sea 50 miles east of La Paz in broad daylight, by a
90ft. Mexican shrimper. They made eye contact at the last second with the fisherman. The small yacht went down in less than 5 minets with all their
wordly possesions. They were able to grab their ditch bag and activate a very well equiped life raft and spent an anxious 3 hours adrift until they
were rescued by the Mexican Navy. The Mexican Navy Captain on returning the folks back to Puerto Vallarta personaly took pity on the folks and loaned
them $200 U.S. so they could get a meal and a room for the night. The next day the shrimper was spotted by a mexican Army helicopter on the east side
of Isla Santa Catalina offloading a huge amount of pot and coke. The fisherman were busted and the shrimper impounded. So .....all kinds of crap does
happen.!!!
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
| Quote: | Originally posted by howat
Am I missing something here? |
Yeah you are big time. Based on the known facts, it seems like it was very heavy handed.
Hope you (or someone with you) don't ever forget one of your papers/id someday and end up in a world of hurt.
Be sure you always check ALL of the papers of the captain you go out with so you don't end up getting hauled up the coast for hours on end and lose
thousands of dollars of your gear. Hope you know of everything to look for and stay current with the changing regs and different interpretations.
You and Cap have zero clue if you don't think it could happen to you someday. I don't give a sh@t how prepared you "think" you are. Come back to us
on that day. Maybe we will show a little more sympathy than you two #@$%'s have...
[Edited on 9-25-2007 by JZ] |
I count only two insults... I thought the more insulting you were the more you were right on this board. 
Cmon, I am sure you can do better than this
[Edited on 9-25-2007 by Cap]
Fly low, land on roads.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
In Defense of the Mexican Navy........The Mexican Navy has a very tough job at hand. There are drug wars going on all over Mexico and alot of the
drugs are transferred and shipped by boats of all types.......In 30 years of sailing off the Baja coast and the Mexican mainland engaged in a variety
of sail boat delivery jobs, myself and crew have been boarded by the Mexican Navy 7 times. Each time after the initial shake down and they were
satisfied with shipspapers/documentation and crew passports we were always treated with respect and kindness. As captain, I always treated each person
with the utmost of courtesy and respect. It was always mutual and returned....One time I heard of a tale fisthand in P.V. in Banderas Bay, of an
american cruising couple who were returning from a 13 year citcumnavigation that were run down at sea 50 miles east of La Paz in broad daylight, by a
90ft. Mexican shrimper. They made eye contact at the last second with the fisherman. The small yacht went down in less than 5 minets with all their
wordly possesions. They were able to grab their ditch bag and activate a very well equiped life raft and spent an anxious 3 hours adrift until they
were rescued by the Mexican Navy. The Mexican Navy Captain on returning the folks back to Puerto Vallarta personaly took pity on the folks and loaned
them $200 U.S. so they could get a meal and a room for the night. The next day the shrimper was spotted by a mexican Army helicopter on the east side
of Isla Santa Catalina offloading a huge amount of pot and coke. The fisherman were busted and the shrimper impounded. So .....all kinds of crap does
happen.!!! |
Good perspective (cruising), thank you.
Fly low, land on roads.
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