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Pescador
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I have greatly enjoyed all the years of posting by Skeet and loved his ornery and cantankerous personality. Over the years you got to be able to
pretty well predict what Skeet was going to say about something but there was always a thread underneath that rang true and while you did not have to
agree with things he said, you knew that he believed it.
Gnukid has been posting since he came on the scene not too long ago and he also has a definite flavor and (scent) to his postings. I find it very
hard to take them completely seriously. I do think that they accurately portray how he sees the world and experiences it but I find it so far removed
from my perceptions that I am always slightly jarred by the revelations expressed.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
I have greatly enjoyed all the years of posting by Skeet and loved his ornery and cantankerous personality. Over the years you got to be able to
pretty well predict what Skeet was going to say about something but there was always a thread underneath that rang true and while you did not have to
agree with things he said, you knew that he believed it.
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If I didn't know better, I'd think this was an obituary.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
We are all pretty excited and talking about the elections. Anyway, after many days of electoral discussion, do you know that I hear from many Pacenos
that they believe that gringos come here but don't contribute much? They think gringos bring almost everything they need from the US, special olives,
cheeses, wine, etc... even chairs gasp and buy and spend very little here, arguiing about the prices etc... taking advantage of free beaches and
oceans.
Just so you know, you might want to make an effort to get involved in your communities and demonstrate your contributions. It would be appreciated but
its also a responsibility. There is no them and us, solo nosotros juntos. |
I don't know Skeet or Gnukid outside of their postings here. But, This kind of anti-norteno, idealistic lecturing doesn't endear you to anyone. Maybe
(and this is pure conjecture) people only doubt your story, because thay can't believe anyone would be so careless as to make themselves this big of a
target. Getting overly excited about the politics of a foreign country is another way to paint the cross hairs on yourself.
I know older guys can be surly and like to hear themselves roar (more conjecture), and they are slow to admit when they are wrong. Again, not an
endearing quality.
Fly low, land on roads.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
For the record, La Paz is right now, the safest small city in all of Mexico, with a crime rate that makes most Mexican and American cities look like
Bagdad. |
I agree--just remind yourself with la policia coruptada its all a silly game and the most patient wins. Move slowly, stay calm and wait it out.
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I am from Tijuana gnukid, the La Paz PD seems like mall security guards compared to the Tijuana cops. And i have never seen Mexican cops stop to help
you when your car breaks down, or stop traffick in order for pedestrians to cross the street like La Paz Police do all the time.
I wouldnt change La Paz cops for any other in Mexico, regardless of a few typical bad behaviors they might have.
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shari
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This thread is so interesting...so my dos pesos follows...I tend to believe gnukid as I have seen some pretty crazy extortion scams in a small town in
BCS (not Asuncion) and was very amazed by them...that was before I was a Nomad...I had kind of forgotten about them until gnukid brought up this type
of scam and I remembered these....which are true...happened to gringos that I tried to help deal with them...I choose not to divulge the info to
protect myself and my family but this crap does happen...even in nice towns...I applaud gnukids attempt to warn people not to be naive...hey...even I
sometimes find myself in a bar in La Paz in the wee hours in a rather "happy" state....and I'm glad to be warned of the possibilities. Even though I
knew these scams existed in the place I lived, I never thought about moving from there...just learned to be more aware...street smart...its' a
challenge living in another culture and ALOT goes on that most of you would never imagine. Now, if you live in baja, it's hard not to be involved in
politics especially now that the elections for county seats...presidente del municipio...are on sunday...every single person is talking about who will
win and the changes that will come about...everything changes with a new election and there is so much craziness right now of people trying to protect
their jobs by keeping thier "gallo" candidate in power.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
For the record, La Paz is right now, the safest small city in all of Mexico, with a crime rate that makes most Mexican and American cities look like
Bagdad. |
Hey wait a goll dang minute, most American cities are as dangerous as Baghdad without the comparison to La Paz. No way should ANY American city be
compared to La Paz.
American cities specialize in violent crime against others and we sustain it through our effective educational system, political system, economic
system and policing & court policies.
We will never be outdone in the area of crime by the likes of La Paz and to try to compare is, in itself, an insult.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
For the record, La Paz is right now, the safest small city in all of Mexico, with a crime rate that makes most Mexican and American cities look like
Bagdad. |
Yes, but who officially records the crime rate? Who has the power to ignore incidents, refuse to take a crime report, extort money from legitimate
perpetrators of crime (in lieu of charges), intimidate victims into not filing a report, "lose" a report if they insist on filing one anyway and then
conveniently not count all the reports that might end up getting when the count is asked for in Mexico City?
The same people this thread is questioning....................THE POLICE OF LA PAZ.
Jesse, I dont doubt that it's infinitely better than TJ. But crime statistics in Mexico have always been suspect. Way on the low side. It's generally
left up to news organizations to come up with realistic figures on the number of murders in Mexico. Who knows about lesser crimes???
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amir
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No comment.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Now, if you live in baja, it's hard not to be involved in politics |
:? efine involved. Can you vote? Can you legally involve yourself in any way?
It is morally presumptuous for foreigners to offer opinions about anything involving another country's governance. It reminds me of all of the
Canadians offering unsolicited advice and punditry about American politics and government.
Most tourist towns in Mexico survive on a milder form of the scam purported by Gnukid. Cabo was built on overcharging.
Keep yourself out of trouble, don't run a tab in places you don't know, and trust the help, and butt out of other people's business.
Fly low, land on roads.
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Terry28
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Cap,
I wish I said that...well done.
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Lee
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UFC Rules?
Skeet might not be up to date on La Paz. And he can be opinionated and orrnery but I like him -- but not always what he has to write.
Gnukid is a straight shooter and someone I want to meet next time I'm in La Paz. Like he has written, it's not all that complicated. I believe
he has insight and good advice.
No further comment.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
For the record, La Paz is right now, the safest small city in all of Mexico, with a crime rate that makes most Mexican and American cities look like
Bagdad. |
Yes, but who officially records the crime rate? Who has the power to ignore incidents, refuse to take a crime report, extort money from legitimate
perpetrators of crime (in lieu of charges), intimidate victims into not filing a report, "lose" a report if they insist on filing one anyway and then
conveniently not count all the reports that might end up getting when the count is asked for in Mexico City?
The same people this thread is questioning....................THE POLICE OF LA PAZ.
Jesse, I dont doubt that it's infinitely better than TJ. But crime statistics in Mexico have always been suspect. Way on the low side. It's generally
left up to news organizations to come up with realistic figures on the number of murders in Mexico. Who knows about lesser crimes???
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Hook,
La Paz seems like a small town to me, i dont know where gnukid hangs out, but in the two years that i have been here, and from what i have seen and
heard, La Paz is a pretty safe and tranquil city. I cant deny gnukids experience, but mine is completely different from his, in my experience, local
cops are pretty helpful and honest, and i have yet to meet someone that has been robbed or his house broken into yet.
Just my two centavos
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Lee
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The old days
Last time I was at Migracion on the Malecon, a cop did stop traffic so me and my dog could cross. Now he might ''fine'' me for having my dog on
the Malecon?
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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By "involved", I don't mean vote...but in everyday life in a baja town revolves around politics, particularly these last months before local
elections. Family members campaign for thier favorites and everyone talks politics and lots of issues that affect those who live here involve
politics. Many things are on hold till the "new" government comes in and changes things...other things are shoved through quickly before the old guard
changes. What I am trying to portray is how our daily life is affected by politics....like it or not. Being married to a mexican family (here you
arent' just married to the man) is different than just being a foreigner living here with your foreign spouse. I see mexican culture through very
different ojos. One of the presidential candidates is a very dear friend of mine so I guess that may allow me to have a political "opinion" which is
not against any law.
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Sunman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
For the record, La Paz is right now, the safest small city in all of Mexico, with a crime rate that makes most Mexican and American cities look like
Bagdad. |
Hey wait a goll dang minute, most American cities are as dangerous as Baghdad without the comparison to La Paz. No way should ANY American city be
compared to La Paz.
American cities specialize in violent crime against others and we sustain it through our effective educational system, political system, economic
system and policing & court policies.
We will never be outdone in the area of crime by the likes of La Paz and to try to compare is, in itself, an insult. |
I swore I wouldn't get sucked into this sword fighting match, and for the record I'm with Gnukid on this, but...
...most American cities as dangerous as Baghdad??? Are you serious? I can't think of too many American cities with bombs going off in crowded churches
and markets or carbombs being detonated with regularity in public places. Yes, we have our problems with violence, but to categorize us with Baghdad
is utter nonsense.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I used to be on-board until a person whose name shall remain anonymous wrote that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. It was at that point the person
lost my vote of confidence. My personal view is if you think like that your view on everything is skewed in a direction I do not wish to travel.
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vandenberg
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My take on this is that old Skeet is a cantakerous old goat who is starting to live in the past. However he has a certain knowledge of the goings-on
in Baja, a liitle antiquated but still valuable. He also tends to pontificating and throwing religeous sh*t in the mix. Not my cup of tea.
Gnukid 's posts are a delight to read with some of them requiring special reading skills to make heads or tails of them. I take most of them at face
value, with 25 to 40 percent truth and the rest embellishment, at which he has no equal on this board.
Like to meet both of them.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sunman
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
For the record, La Paz is right now, the safest small city in all of Mexico, with a crime rate that makes most Mexican and American cities look like
Bagdad. |
Hey wait a goll dang minute, most American cities are as dangerous as Baghdad without the comparison to La Paz. No way should ANY American city be
compared to La Paz.
American cities specialize in violent crime against others and we sustain it through our effective educational system, political system, economic
system and policing & court policies.
We will never be outdone in the area of crime by the likes of La Paz and to try to compare is, in itself, an insult. |
I swore I wouldn't get sucked into this sword fighting match, and for the record I'm with Gnukid on this, but...
...most American cities as dangerous as Baghdad??? Are you serious? I can't think of too many American cities with bombs going off in crowded churches
and markets or carbombs being detonated with regularity in public places. Yes, we have our problems with violence, but to categorize us with Baghdad
is utter nonsense. |
Yeah, just a wee bit of hyperbole wouldnt you say?
Most of us aren't this Gullible to fall for it, though. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Most of us aren't this Gullible to fall for it, though.
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Just consider the source. When these bilious birds unload on the hood of your car, you're supposed to immediatly wash it off, not play with it.
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
My take on this is that old Skeet is a cantakerous old goat who is starting to live in the past. However he has a certain knowledge of the goings-on
in Baja, a liitle antiquated but still valuable. He also tends to pontificating and throwing religeous sh*t in the mix. Not my cup of tea.
Gnukid 's posts are a delight to read with some of them requiring special reading skills to make heads or tails of them. I take most of them at face
value, with 25 to 40 percent truth and the rest embellishment, at which he has no equal on this board.
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yep, again, you've nailed it!
I've thrown a few back with Gnu after a great days' kiting. He kites like he yarns .... very entertaining. While it's true that I personally throw my
verbal diahhorea(sp) switch to 'on' while conversing... I can assure all that this is one 'good egg'. He has others' welfare at heart.
Now bubbas that have had plenty of time on this planet yet still invoke false dieties, display textbook redneckism, and imply the collapse of western
civilisation partly due to scantily-clad women... well ... phew. 'nuff said. jmho
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