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Pappy Jon
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I once stopped for a meal in Los Angeles at a McDonalds. The black server refused to help me. It does go both ways.
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pappy Jon
I once stopped for a meal in Los Angeles at a McDonalds. The black server refused to help me. It does go both ways. |
Actually, he was doing you a favor.
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DENNIS
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Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The
zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a
defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all.
If you truly feel that the customs cops are reacting to you primarily because of the color of your skin, I think you're wrong. They're probably
reacting to the attitude [subtle?] you bring to the gate as a conditioned response that Blacks tend to have for cops.
I was honestly put back by your opening post on this thread. It made me wonder how deeply your resentment permeates your world view.
Now, before you go off on me, this is in no way a defense of the behaviour of the customs people "just doing their job." Their technique is
deplorable. What I'm saying is that you may have a better time of it if you approach the border as an all-around man instead of as a Black Man. It
will make the crossing easier.
You owe all of us a reply to this, Ken. You brought the race issue to this forum and it was, in my opinion, misplaced. You shouldn't, by your own
commitment, be able to just carry on in this thread, talking about your camping trips, without addressing the the issues which you raised. If you
refuse to discuss it, I would say you misjudged your audience here for one who would sit still and listen to your whining. That offends me as well.
I don't feel out of line asking for clarification as you are the one who brought this up and to be truthful about all of this, you're the first one
I've ever seen that brought his US racist, black/white thoughts here.
In my opinion, you owe us, first, an explaination. And, if that doesn't work, an apology.
Whatever happens, don't in the future start a war without sticking around to fight it. you and DK can go camping when it's over.
Sorry...The above was supposed to be in a quote box.
[Edited on 9-16-2008 by DENNIS]
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Cypress
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I've been spead-eagled with my pockets turned inside-out. Had my vehicle unloaded with a drug dog turned loose on it, interrogated as to my criminal
history or lack there of. Maybe they do that to all "red necks"? I'm several shades light of being black and tired of hearing all the poor me because
I'm black BS.
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Bajajack
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I've been thru every crossing on the Border
in old junk, brand new Jeep's and others.
I've been completely filthy at times and spotless at others and I have never had a real problem and nothing more than a visual search.
I bite my tongue, smile and treat the jerk like he's a real human and I'm on my way in less than a minute, I may barf after I get down the road
apiece, and sometimes wipe a lot of built up sweat off depending on the situation.
Some people never seem to learn, Attitude is the bottom line.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The
zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a
defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all.
If you truly feel that the customs cops are reacting to you primarily because of the color of your skin, I think you're wrong. They're probably
reacting to the attitude [subtle?] you bring to the gate as a conditioned response that Blacks tend to have for cops.
I was honestly put back by your opening post on this thread. It made me wonder how deeply your resentment permeates your world view.
Now, before you go off on me, this is in no way a defense of the behaviour of the customs people "just doing their job." Their technique is
deplorable. What I'm saying is that you may have a better time of it if you approach the border as an all-around man instead of as a Black Man. It
will make the crossing easier.
You owe all of us a reply to this, Ken. You brought the race issue to this forum and it was, in my opinion, misplaced. You shouldn't, by your own
commitment, be able to just carry on in this thread, talking about your camping trips, without addressing the the issues which you raised. If you
refuse to discuss it, I would say you misjudged your audience here for one who would sit still and listen to your whining. That offends me as well.
I don't feel out of line asking for clarification as you are the one who brought this up and to be truthful about all of this, you're the first one
I've ever seen that brought his US racist, black/white thoughts here.
In my opinion, you owe us, first, an explaination. And, if that doesn't work, an apology.
Whatever happens, don't in the future start a war without sticking around to fight it. you and DK can go camping when it's over.
Sorry...The above was supposed to be in a quote box.
[Edited on 9-16-2008 by DENNIS] |
Thank you Dennis for putting down the words that I have wanted to say about this thread.
CaboRon
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Cajones
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pappy Jon
I once stopped for a meal in Los Angeles at a McDonalds. The black server refused to help me. It does go both ways. |
Now Pappy, we told you to take off your white sheet and hood before you go into McDonalds.
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Stickers
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With all this border crossing chat it brings to mind the movie "Babel" with Brad Pitt and other (more) notable actors. Much lauded and praised, it
was written by a Mexican writer and directed by a Mexican director.
Kind of an all over the place movie but the Mexico border crossing segment was riveting and had me frozen in my seat. A real nightmare  Check it out it you haven't already
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The
zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a
defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all. |
Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read
the posts more closely.
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Ken Cooke
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In July when I arrived in Customs in Miami, you should have heard the customs guy yelling at me as I stood there trembling, afraid that I wouldn't be
allowed into my own country. I gave the guy no attitude whatsoever. I never give strangers attitude come to think of it. So, what makes me
automatically to be the bad guy???
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Hate to say it Ken but, after reading all these posts, I think you bring a bit of, as you put it, "Driving while Black" attitude to the border. The
zone is a snake pit for everybody and those who have the mind control to "go numb" and just answer questions without analyzing everything from a
defensive standpoint, are less put-off by it all. |
Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read
the posts more closely. |
Ken,
You are the one who doesn't "get it" ..
CaboRon
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Ken Cooke
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No, I get it. You don't get it. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read
the posts more closely. |
Oh..Poor you. You're being hasseled.
I read the posts, Ken. Thoroughly and with empathy. I do get it. Thats why I accept the abuse which is a part of crossing the border. I don't like
it but, I accept and deal with it. Each trip through makes me a stronger person as opposed to your experience which draws on your weakness to endure
and brings out your lame claims of racism. The border zone is exempt from L.A. street classifications. Nothing is right, nothing is wrong, nothing
is racist unless you want to claim the color of the mood of the place which is black.
It isn't a sector of society. It isn't a neighborhood. It isn't a city park. What it is, is the zone from hell and you, my black brother, are not
going to get any respect there so, why would you ask for it? Because you think you deserve it?
Excuse me while I laugh myself to death.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Dennis you don't get it. I'm describing how I am being hasseled. They don't give you a chance to give attitude, or your butt is in secondary. Read
the posts more closely. |
Oh..Poor you. You're being hasseled. |
Tu me da risa, amigo!
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DENNIS
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Qué bueno. Deporte bien.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Qué bueno. Deporte bien. |
Si, yo me voy a porareme mejor, tranquilo amigo. 
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DENNIS
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Siempre tranquilo. Igualmente.
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Paulina
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You guys are going to have to take this to the Spanish Language forum if this conversation goes on any further.
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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motoged
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Ken,
Probably a bunch of white guys responding here...
You know what your experience is....most of us white guys can try to empathize, but empathy is really a fancy word for our imagination....so we can
only relate to how we occasionally feel persecuted for the colour of our skin....and that doesn't really happen too often.
It sounds like you have travelled enough to have a bit of opinion about how different countries/immigration lines handle folks...
Que via bien, amigo.
Don't believe everything you think....
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TMW
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The only time I can say I was really hasseled crossing the border was several years ago at Tecate. I was going into Mexico and the U.S. agents stopped
me before crossing. Dressed in a dark uniform he asked me what I was taking into Mexico. I didn't really know how to answer that since I was in my
pickup and everything was pretty much in the open to see. So I asked what he meant and in an angry voice he said "WHAT ARE YOU TAKING INTO MEXICO?". I
started telling him all the things that were in front of him, ice chess, sleeping bags, fishing poles, motorcycle, sweatshirt etc. He stopped me and
said " ARE YOU TAKING $10,000 OR MORE ACROSS?". To that I responed no, if I had $10,000 I'd be going to europe. He waved me on.
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