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LOSARIPES
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Warming your globals.... or globaling your warm.... it appears that anything can be true at this point, depending who you listen to. There is
political agenda. There is legitimate concern and if I were to decide, I would go for the environment protection at a local (personal) basis, not
endorsing those policy makers/fund raiser politicians turned to environmentalists.
Aripes
God bless America
and Baja tambien
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DrTom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baitcast
I am surrounded by crooked politicians,scam artists,the enconomy is in the toilet,my dog is sick,everything is headed down including my bank account
and to top it all off its snowing in Kingman Az. What the hell is going on? most likely a big dose of the flu.
Please help me MERRY XMAS
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Hows the dog?
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baitcast
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Dr. Tom,we lucked out on that one,after a trip to the vet hopefuly everything is going to be just fine,13 year old weannie dog,he,s an old friend of
mine Calvin by name.
Thanks for your concern
Rob
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Fred-o
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Weather News and Features
Global warming causing more tropical storms: NASA
AFP-1 hour, 21 minutes ago
AFP - Global warming is increasing the frequency of extremely high clouds in the Earth's tropics that cause severe storms and rainfall, according to a
NASA study released Friday.
I GUESS NASA HASN'T GOTTEN THE WORD YET..... THIS IS A POST TODAY ON THE WEATHER CHANNEL. 12/19/2008
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fred-o
Weather News and Features
Global warming causing more tropical storms: NASA
AFP-1 hour, 21 minutes ago
AFP - Global warming is increasing the frequency of extremely high clouds in the Earth's tropics that cause severe storms and rainfall, according to a
NASA study released Friday.
I GUESS NASA HASN'T GOTTEN THE WORD YET..... THIS IS A POST TODAY ON THE WEATHER CHANNEL. 12/19/2008 |
Here we go again------------NOBODY (sane, that is) actually says that Global Warming is not happening----------the argument is "what is causing it".
NASA has it right.
Barry
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David K
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Yes, since the world has warmed and cooled many times before man... why now is man blamed and not nature. Don't volcanos still erupt and each one
produces many times more ozone depleting gasses in one eruption than mankind ever has... and the earth is still fine?
I am not saying we shouldn't try to live, build, work cleaner... but don't say we are the cause of the entire earth's climate changing... If and when
it changes, it will be a natural event the causes it.
Natural events include volcanos, natural gas release from the earth and animals, sun spots (solar flares), earth's axis wobble which slowly changes
the angle of the sun overhead, gravitational disturbance from a close approach space body...
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yes, since the world has warmed and cooled many times before man... why now is man blamed and not nature. Don't volcanos still erupt and each one
produces many times more ozone depleting gasses in one eruption than mankind ever has... |
Nope.
"It has been alleged that the increased level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is due to emissions from volcanoes, but these account for less than
one per cent of the emissions due to human activities."
Last paragraph: http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?tip=1&id=6230
Just because the planet has warmed and cooled before does not mean the current warming is not man-made.
"Man is being blamed" because since the beginning of the industrial age when coal was first burned to turn water into steam the atmospheric CO2
levels have dramatically increased.
Please read: http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229
[Edited on 12-20-2008 by k-rico]
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David K
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Nope I'm wrong? Says who... Royal society? I live in a republic, no royalty here!
I didn't see one mention of volcanos, except regarding Carbon Dioxide... a NATURAL gas, not a pollutant... please try that link again or just paste
the royal explanation that volcanic emissions are less than man's! That's ludicrous... One volcano in the Phillipines (Pinatubo?) dimmed the skys
world wide... affected our sunsets up here. Haven't seen that from all the factories in China and India, running evey day, yet.
Without CO2, all plants die!
[Edited on 12-20-2008 by David K]
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k-rico
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Look again, last paragraph. Do you know the history of the Royal Society? Sir Issac Newton was the head scientist in the 1600s. It is probably the
most prestigious group of scientists in the world. I tend to agree with their viewpoints.
[Edited on 12-20-2008 by k-rico]
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David K
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CO2 is not the only gas volcanos erupt... Geeze Louise man! Show me that all the other volcanic gasses don't do anything to temperature... Bad science
= political/ financial motives
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Dave
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k-rico, You can knock all you want but...
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Look again, last paragraph. Do you know the history of the Royal Society? Sir Issac Newton was the head scientist in the 1600s. It is probably the
most prestigious group of scientists in the world. I tend to agree with their viewpoints.
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k-rico
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CO2 is transparent and is a greenhouse gas. The obscuring of the atmosphere when volcanos erupt is due to lofted particulates.
Start out by learning about the greenhouse effect.
That's quite a statement of yours that the Royal Society practices "bad science". What makes you think that?
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Look again, last paragraph. Do you know the history of the Royal Society? Sir Issac Newton was the head scientist in the 1600s. It is probably the
most prestigious group of scientists in the world. I tend to agree with their viewpoints.
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yeah I know, but jeez.........
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Ricardo
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Global Warming
Well time for my 2 bits again, People should try to look at all perspectives, Heres a site with numbers, I prefer numbers over talk without
substance.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Skipjack Joe
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National and international organizations that support:
(a) the occurence of global warming
(b) that human activity in the last 50 years is the primary cause of it.
1.8 European Academy of Sciences and Arts
1.9 Network of African Science Academies
1.10 National Research Council (US)
1.11 European Science Foundation
1.12 American Association for the Advancement of Science
1.13 Federation of American Scientists
1.14 World Meteorological Organization
1.15 American Meteorological Society
1.16 Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
1.17 Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
1.18 Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
1.19 Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
1.20 International Union for Quaternary Research
1.21 American Quaternary Association
1.22 Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
1.23 International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
1.24 International Union of Geological Sciences
1.25 European Geosciences Union
1.26 Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences
1.27 Geological Society of America
1.28 American Geophysical Union
1.29 American Astronomical Society
1.30 American Institute of Physics
1.31 American Physical Society
1.32 American Chemical Society
1.33 American Society for Microbiology
1.34 Institute of Biology (UK)
1.35 World Federation of Public Health Associations
1.36 American College of Preventive Medicine
1.37 American Public Health Association
1.38 American Medical Association
1.39 American Statistical Association
1.40 Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
1.41 Water Environment Federation
1.42 Chartered Institution of Water and Environmental Management
1.43 Federal Climate Change Science Program (US)
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gnukid
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More than 31,000 leading scientists, including 9000 PHDs signed the petition to reject the hypothesis of man-made Global Warming.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar
proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and
welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the
foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial
scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the
Earth.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
[Edited on 12-20-2008 by gnukid]
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Dave
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Dr Frederick Seitz
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
More than 31,000 leading scientists, including 9000 PHDs signed the petition to reject the hypothesis of man-made Global Warming.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
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"Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased
atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful."
I think he and Woody Allen determined the same thing about smoking.
What a guy.
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baitcast
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You guys kill me,most of us won,t be around to see the final result anyway,we should be more concerned getting this country back on its feet now!
Many pressing problems,the values I was raised with have long since been forgotten,the commitment of a hand shake,the trust I once had in
people I,m sorry to say is waning.
As I said before if we don,t weed out all the trash that seems to be everywhere,and change the way we do things as well as our thinking the
polar bears and climate change will be the least of our problems.
Rob
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Pescador
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As my Grandad used to say, "Please do not confuse me with the facts".
Some, obviously, have already made up their mind as to the correctness of their opinion and anything that goes counter to that will be automatically
rejected.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
The ability of humans to influence greenhouse water vapor is negligible. As such, individuals and groups whose agenda it is to require that human
beings are the cause of global warming must discount or ignore the effects of water vapor to preserve their arguments, citing numbers similar to those
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The large increase in CO2 caused by the buring of fossil fuels is a catalyst that causes atmospheric water vapor concentrations to increase;
therefore, the first statement is false.
The slight warming of the atmosphere due to man-made increases in CO2 (the second most importatnt greenhouse gas after water vapor) increases the
ability of the atmosphere to hold more water vapor, further warming the atmosphere, it's a synergistic relationship.
The percentage concentrations of one gas versus another are misleading data that lead to false conclusions. Much the same as saying a measly gram of
potassium cyanide can't possibly harm a 200 pound man.
It's interesting how the correct data cited in the website you linked to were used to arrive at erroneous conclusions.
[Edited on 12-20-2008 by k-rico]
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