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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
In his autobiography Ansel Adams writes about the new road built to Tioga Pass in the 30's. The Army Corps of Engineers decided it had to blast the
glacial polish through what is now Olmsted Point to build that road. To a man who grew up loving the Sierras the distant thunder heard in yosemite
valley was nervewracking. Anyone who has stopped at Olmsted Point and climb that smooth rock can now sympathize with AA's feelings.
That's how I felt driving the last leg of the San Felipe to Gonzaga road this winter. Knowing, that in the not too distant future Gonzaga will no
longer be the place it had been for so long.
What local population is going to benefit from that? Papa Fernandez? Coco's Corner? |
No local population exists except for a very few... mostly it is gringos... and they like the isolation...
If you walk into Rancho Grande's store and look above the counter you will see the proposed resort hotel... This is Rodriguez property (Los Pinos
tomato fortune). A highway would benefit him and other land owners seeking development fortunes.
Also, a gulf coast highway would be a great mileage savings for those in Mainland Mexico and Mexicali/ San Felipe wanting to drive down the peninsula
on pavement.
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Jobs, Jobs, Jobs---building, working in the hotel, etc. No, not great paying jobs, but they are jobs for workers who will become locals.
Also, the highway might increase and make commerce from the Mainland easier----
IMHO, It is really a shame that some people get stuck in the past and think only about how change affects them. You have a choice, don't go if you
don't like the change.
My grandparents, and my parents often lived in the world of "I remember when.....". I have been there myself, but it often can be a place to sit and
rot while lamenting the loss of the past, and forget to move into the future.
Every time I haved talked with one of the gringo locals there, Then say that the change will never happen---the road will never happen. Perhaps they
are correct, or perhaps they are living in a world of denial.
Diane
[Edited on 1-15-2009 by jdtrotter]
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Skipjack Joe
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There is good change and there is bad change. Baja has had a lot of the bad kind recently. Short sighted projects that marred the landscape and little
else. Those who don't have a past in baja have nothing to compare it to. Their baseline is when they appear on the scene.
Look at this colonet project. It appears to be based upon the idea that when the US ports are at capacity we will use the one in baja. Mexican
dependence on US economy and usage. Dredging and railways laid for a 'vision'. What happens if the US solves it's needs in some other way. Will the
land be restored?
Can the cement walls at Escondido be removed to reclaim the old beach? Who benefitted from this destruction - the guard sitting at the parking lot
collecting fees? Was that worth the destruction? Why couldn't the existing facilities in Loreto be used?
Basically, you had a garden of eden here. To watch it's slow demise and have people tell me about it's inevitability and how it was necessary for the
good of the people. I just don't buy it. It's short sighted. Yes, some shop owner benefitted from something somewhere. But the price for this
thoughtless, unrestricted development is monumental. Mexico is plundering it's resources shamelessly with no thought of tomorrow.
I have to admit that I really don't like to hear the argument that development is 'inevitable'. It's not an argument at all. It's just a statement
saying here is how it is and don't bother talking about it any more because 'it just is'. Instead of considering the requirements and proposals of how
to meet them, the door is shut without even opening it with the word: 'inevitable'. As though there is some major principle involved here.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
There is good change and there is bad change. Baja has had a lot of the bad kind recently. Short sighted projects that marred the landscape and little
else. Those who don't have a past in baja have nothing to compare it to. Their baseline is when they appear on the scene.
Look at this colonet project. It appears to be based upon the idea that when the US ports are at capacity we will use the one in baja. Mexican
dependence on US economy and usage. Dredging and railways laid for a 'vision'. What happens if the US solves it's needs in some other way. Will the
land be restored?
Can the cement walls at Escondido be removed to reclaim the old beach? Who benefitted from this destruction - the guard sitting at the parking lot
collecting fees? Was that worth the destruction? Why couldn't the existing facilities in Loreto be used?
Basically, you had a garden of eden here. To watch it's slow demise and have people tell me about it's inevitability and how it was necessary for the
good of the people. I just don't buy it. It's short sighted. Yes, some shop owner benefitted from something somewhere. But the price for this
thoughtless, unrestricted development is monumental. Mexico is plundering it's resources shamelessly with no thought of tomorrow.
I have to admit that I really don't like to hear the argument that development is 'inevitable'. It's not an argument at all. It's just a statement
saying here is how it is and don't bother talking about it any more because 'it just is'. Instead of considering the requirements and proposals of how
to meet them, the door is shut without even opening it with the word: 'inevitable'. As though there is some major principle involved here.
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Wow, a gem of a statement... one that deserves to be framed. Thanks for it!
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Sharksbaja
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Mexico is plundering it's resources shamelessly with no thought of tomorrow.
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With plenty of help from outside.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
There is good change and there is bad change. Baja has had a lot of the bad kind recently. Short sighted projects that marred the landscape and little
else. Those who don't have a past in baja have nothing to compare it to. Their baseline is when they appear on the scene.
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Yes, John in the 1950's used to camp and fish on the beach in San Felipe and loved the way it was. We don't go there anymore because we think it is
ugly----He also loved the really old road into Gonzaga and was disappointed when it changed. We still go there
I loved Ensenada when I first saw it-- a rather small quaint town with all the storefront chicken places--we don't stop there anymore----on and on.
I would also love to see the high desert of southern California the way it was 40 years ago, or the the pristine area of the San Diego north county
back again----on and on
That is the point, if you don't like the change, don't go. Sure some of the development is really ugly and has been a disaster, but that happens
everywhere. Some of the development has improved the lives of many.
No, development is not inevitable, but change is and it really is a choice of whether one wants to stay stuck in the past or work for and accept
change.
We would love Bahia Asuncion not to change, but it is and it will, and some of it will economically help the locals. I really think living there part
time does make a difference in how one sees things.
Sorry, but I still think that several of the opinions expressed are very self-serving and selfish.
Diane
I will not stay out of this thread as it is obvious that certain attitudes are well entrenched----mine included. Bottom line, is it is Mexico and it
is up to them as to how things will be done, and if we don't like it, we have the choice of not being there.
[Edited on 1-15-2009 by jdtrotter]
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Yeah - what Skipjack said - applause, applause
RE: ".. the proposed resort hotel... This is Rodriguez property (Los Pinos tomato fortune). A highway would benefit him and other land owners seeking
development fortunes."
Not very well thought out. This would require that everyone drive to this locale. Not going to happen. After 50 years, look at San Felipe - it's
grown at a pace commensurate with reasonable demand and it's still a small-scale town. How would you get to Gonzaga to an all-inclusive (has to be)
destination resort for a week - they'll figure it out and ask themselves, "is it worth it? We can get that in Cabo (La Paz, Loreto, Puerto Vallarta,
Mazatlan) and save the $200+ in extra transportation." This is a place for experienced Baja travelers who live in the states that make it a
relatively uncomplicated drive.
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Don't know how many of you have been to Puerto Penasco lately. I always kind of considered that and San Felipe to be mirrors of each other, as they
sit opposite on the Sea of Cortez. Well, the powers that be in PP went in another direction. There are high-rise condos, and, a Mayan Palace time
share!
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A lot of PP has been developed with interests out of Phoenix as they see it as a market for their region. San Felipe has, well... Calexico!
Sorry to all my Calexico/SF friends, I couldn't resist...
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Totally unfair
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
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Mexico alone decides how to use or abuse its resources.
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Gee. I thought the target market for PP was Nogales!
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