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gnukid
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Two words: Air Pressure.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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THINGS ARE DIFFERENT in mexico....duh...it is NOT black and white...one of the zillions of interesting cultural differences is how laws are applied. I
kinda like the notion that yes, there are laws for lots of things but they are only pulled out and applied when there is a blatant, dangerous,
obnoxious breaking of said law. If I sat down and counted just how many laws we and our neighbours break in any given day....well, geez, the mexican
prisons would be overflowing and the coffers of our town would be full too with all the fines that COULD be levied. (driving with an open beer, not
coming to a full stop at stopsigns, driving on a beach(where we dont see or meet a single soul), driving with a tail light out, arguing in
public...blah blah weedy weedy...
As others have mentioned...it is the arrogant pricks with no conciousness who disregard public safety and reasonable behavior who screw things up for
all. I happen to know dstbushpilot is an incredibly responsible, quiet, conciencious(sp) person so even though I personally do not like ATV's...I
would not mind seeing him on the beach and KNOW he will act in a non offensive manner....so that's cool.
But the truth is, the policia pretty much leave people alone until they get out of hand and then they rely on the letter of the law to punish
them....seems pretty reasonable to me. It's kinda nice not living in a facist state.
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gnukid
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Sort of on subject: Do 35" tires work better than 32" in the sand or can I run proper air pressure and win a race with smaller tires like 32" over a
35"s-all other things being equal-engine, tranny, differential? Thnx and excellent comments Shari.
[Edited on 1-28-2009 by gnukid]
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longlegsinlapaz
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Packoderm, I had included illegal clamming in my post originally, but excluded it during the final re-write. I didn't read Bajasharks comments to be
directed towards clamming, I read it to be directed toward individuals bragging about knowingly engaging in illegal activities; be it clamming, ATV's
or personal vehicles on the beach, whatever the particular activity they chose to violate existing laws & brag about. To me, the arrogance comes
from their attempt at justifying why it's okay to put themselves above the law. To publicly flaunt acknowledged illegal activities under the guise of
individual self-serving logic, to egotistically paint themselves as somehow being exempt because...everyone else does it...it's just Mexico &
everyone knows things are different in Mexico...I'm considerate to others while I break the law...it's the attitude that screams
arrogance to me.
Gee, ya think there might be reduced charges for someone found guilty of "considerately breaking the law" versus stiffer charges for someone
simply found guilty of plain old breaking the law?
Ya think it's Mama Turtle's fault for having genetic encoding telling her where to return to lay her eggs? I suppose it's her own damn fault that her
offspring might end up as scrambled eggs on the beach because she didn't have the foresight to distribute a map of her nesting areas to the illegal
beach driving public? Forgive her for thinking her offspring would be protected under the law if she created her nest below that sign banning beach
driving.
And it MUST be the clams fault for not recognizing they were trustingly going off with a gringo as opposed to a Mexican who does have a legal right to
take them. Assuming of course that they aren't first turned into toxic ceveiche (sp) from the oil & gas leeching down through the sand!
I don't understand how it's acceptable to leave our moral compass at the border simply because it's Mexico. But then, it's pretty obvious that some
people's moral compass perpetually registers an "I" reading wherever they happen to be, N, S, E or W. 
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viabaja
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Ahhh - For those who don't like to fish - stay in TJ or Mexicali!
For those who enjoy fishing and the beach - I'll quote 4baja: "think ill drive my quad down the beach and get some clams to eat, man that sounds
good!" and I'll add -while I'm drinking a cold cerveza (yes, I'm drinking & driving) and picking up shells!!!! Wait - I forgot - my dogs are also
on the beach!! I'm also sharing a cold cerveza with a couple of solders who are patrolling the beach and clamming!! For those who don't quite get this
picture - think about it carefully!
Isn't this great!! Mas tarde!
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
THINGS ARE DIFFERENT in mexico....duh...it is NOT black and white...one of the zillions of interesting cultural differences is how laws are applied. I
kinda like the notion that yes, there are laws for lots of things but they are only pulled out and applied when there is a blatant, dangerous,
obnoxious breaking of said law. If I sat down and counted just how many laws we and our neighbours break in any given day....well, geez, the mexican
prisons would be overflowing and the coffers of our town would be full too with all the fines that COULD be levied. (driving with an open beer, not
coming to a full stop at stopsigns, driving on a beach(where we dont see or meet a single soul), driving with a tail light out, arguing in
public...blah blah weedy weedy...
As others have mentioned...it is the arrogant pricks with no conciousness who disregard public safety and reasonable behavior who screw things up for
all. I happen to know dstbushpilot is an incredibly responsible, quiet, conciencious(sp) person so even though I personally do not like ATV's...I
would not mind seeing him on the beach and KNOW he will act in a non offensive manner....so that's cool.
But the truth is, the policia pretty much leave people alone until they get out of hand and then they rely on the letter of the law to punish
them....seems pretty reasonable to me. It's kinda nice not living in a facist state. |
Great post Shari, you nailed it. and thank you for the kind words.
For someone to chastize anyone who would bend a rule or chose to break a law while not hurting or offending others screams arrogance to me......"let
he who is without sin cast the first stone........dt
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eddie
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I guess it's alright for the turtle group to ride on the beach?
Sea Turtle Hatchling Releases - ASUPMATOMA's Projecto Todos Tortugueros is proud to announce the release of 41 critically endangered Leatherback
hatchlings which were released on January 23! There will be Olive Ridley hatchling releases on January 27 & 28 at 5pm in Las Playitas (5km north
of La Pastora). We are expecting the next Leatherback nest to hatch January 29 or 30. Please visit our website for updates. Please leave your dogs at
home, and park at the bottom of the dunes. We will have an ATV to transport people over the dunes who need assistance. Looking forward to seeing you
there. - Francesca, todostortugueros@live.com, www.todostortugueros.org, 044.612.169.4254, Todos Santos
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David K
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gnukid... it's about air pressure, not tire size... Also, a street tire is better than a mud/ snow tire in the sand.... ie. smooth vs. aggressive.
My 13" tires on my 1600cc Subaru 4WD wagon did great in the sand, at 10-15 psi...
On my Tacoma, 15 psi works... except when I had those aggressive 3 ply sidewall Cooper Discoverer STT tires... then it needed to be down to 10 psi to
'float' in the sand.
Even 2WD vehicles can get through deep sand when the pressure is low enough... The local fisherman who drives up and down the beach to check his nets,
has an old 2WD truck.
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David K
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Does EVERYONE here obey the 80 KPH Max. speed law in Baja??? Always... even with a straight, level road way out in the country?
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Bajahowodd
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Of course they do. How else does one get from the border to Cabo in two days?
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comitan
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DK
Just dig,dig, dig. Your posts have said it all we know who you are, and where your coming from. And know you have the right to do what ever suits
you.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Paulina
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This photo was taken before the sailboat monument went in. Notice the handmade sign on the right. Not too many tourists pay it much mind.
On Edit: This photo was taken in Bahia de Los Angeles
[Edited on 28-1-2009 by Paulina]
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
DK
Just dig,dig, dig. Your posts have said it all we know who you are, and where your coming from. And know you have the right to do what ever suits
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Would you apply the same consideration to me too please? Thank you......dt
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comitan
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Sorry dt, I didn't think your shoes were big enough.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Sorry dt, I didn't think your shoes were big enough. |
I know....and you're right of course. I may only have a couple hundred posts but I feel like one of the "gang" now. Being attacked by my fellow
Nomads has been a new experience for me.....I'm officially one of you now.......dt
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comitan
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dt
Next time your coming to La Paz u2u me we can have a beer and discuss the old days when everyone rode on the beach.
[Edited on 1-28-2009 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
10-4 viabaja... kind of hard to carry your fishing tackel and the fish you caught from the fishing spot back 4 miles to camp... by hand and foot! |
if you can't walk 4 miles to fish, you should stick to wheel chair accessible fishing pier
i have never had a fresh water fishing trip in the wilderness that was less than 4 miles walking.
walking is good for the cardiovascular system.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
THINGS ARE DIFFERENT in mexico....duh...it is NOT black and white...one of the zillions of interesting cultural differences is how laws are applied. I
kinda like the notion that yes, there are laws for lots of things but they are only pulled out and applied when there is a blatant, dangerous,
obnoxious breaking of said law. If I sat down and counted just how many laws we and our neighbours break in any given day....well, geez, the mexican
prisons would be overflowing and the coffers of our town would be full too with all the fines that COULD be levied. (driving with an open beer, not
coming to a full stop at stopsigns, driving on a beach(where we dont see or meet a single soul), driving with a tail light out, arguing in
public...blah blah weedy weedy...
As others have mentioned...it is the arrogant pricks with no conciousness who disregard public safety and reasonable behavior who screw things up for
all. I happen to know dstbushpilot is an incredibly responsible, quiet, conciencious(sp) person so even though I personally do not like ATV's...I
would not mind seeing him on the beach and KNOW he will act in a non offensive manner....so that's cool.
But the truth is, the policia pretty much leave people alone until they get out of hand and then they rely on the letter of the law to punish
them....seems pretty reasonable to me. It's kinda nice not living in a facist state. |
Great post Shari, you nailed it. and thank you for the kind words.
For someone to chastize anyone who would bend a rule or chose to break a law while not hurting or offending others screams arrogance to me......"let
he who is without sin cast the first stone........dt |
and this is how corrupt Mexico got to be corrupt mexico. A little infraction is just a smaller bribe to the cop.
An obese person didn't become fat, diabetes and heart disease overnight- they got it one twinkie at a time. I think Mexico has just had too many
twinkies and it's time for a gastric bypass- not liposcution.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Does EVERYONE here obey the 80 KPH Max. speed law in Baja??? Always... even with a straight, level road way out in the country?
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ohh. I thought it was 80 MPH. lol
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Barry A.
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OK, now I am going to step out on a limb-----
As a retired LE officer I think that "Shari" has it realistically correct in her interpretation. There are countless "laws" on the books
(everywhere) that were solely written into law to control the blatant gross "3 %" of violators, not the "97%" of folks that may not be totally in
compliance with all laws (which nobody is) but certainly try their best to do what is "right" by normal accepted-by-most interpretations of the law.
LE officers that practice "black and white" interpretations of the law are really not doing the job they were hired to do, and that reason alone is
why LE officers are (potentially?) so powerful----they are trained and hired to interpret the law's intent, and act accordingly (contrary to popular
belief). That is a huge responsibility, and also why LE Management and the Courts give the LE officer the "benefit of the doubt" when it comes to
disaplining LE officers for alledged mis-conduct or misapplication of the law.
When trying to be law abiding citizens the use of good common sense is the rule--------drifting outside the parameters of "good common sense" is where
people usually get in trouble with the law. It is a complicated business, law enforcement is, and it was designed to be that way on purpose, at least
it is in the USA.
Little in life is truly "black and white" unless the magnitude of the task requires it (like controlling the thousands crossing the Baja CA/USA
borders)
Law Enforcement officers (police) in the USA have more "Criminal Law" training than most Lawyers receive in Law School. Law School is mostly about
"Civil Law" which is vastly different than "Criminal Law". Criminal law is the form of law that most folks run afoul of in their daily lives, and
normally the only law that the Police enforce on the street (or beaches). (caveat----"Sheriff's" enforce both civil and criminal law and are
potentially vastly more powerful than "Police") Don't mess with the Sheriff, ever!
Barry
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