| Pages:
1
2
3
4
5 |
Al G
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2647
Registered: 12-19-2004
Location: Todos Santos/Full time for now...
Member Is Offline
Mood: Wondering what is next???
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
All Mexico needs is a plan and the will to follow it. Mexico is NOT a poor country, it is rich in natural resources but fails to distribute the
wealth because the "kings" are in control. The "Kings" like things the way they are in Mexico. There are Kings in gov't, business world, the
Military and of-course in the Narco world. Until you can separate the wealth of Mexico from the King's control- there can be no change.
|
You could very easily substitute "US of A" for "Mexico". |
No you can't. Whole different animal down to the genetics. Our Kings are nobel.
 |
I admit you have me confused...there are 545 people that write our laws and not one of those SOBs are Nobel.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
|
|
|
Dave
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6005
Registered: 11-5-2002
Member Is Offline
|
|
Come on down...
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds. |
and I'll introduce you to Rosarito's finest. There'll be some crying...but not by the police.
|
|
|
flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: gone fishin'
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
As rampant as corruption is...it IS changing. The problem IS being addressed. Change comes slow (without public hangings that is). But things are
moving forward poco a poco. There IS light at the end of the tunnel.
I totally understand Pam's feelings on this. It really does drive one to distraction. It is so overwhelming at times and so foreign to us northerners
because it goes against the grain of our "moral fibre". It makes us crazy and ya wanna scream...It has made me so upset so many times that now I try
to take a few deep breaths, remind myself that it is the price of doing business and living in this beautiful place. Worth it in my opinion once you
get your shorts out of the knot. |
shari while what you say is true the difference here is that you and I made a conscious choice to be here and deal as best we can with the situation.
i accept that and deal but our children, family and friends here in Mexico did not make that choice. why should they be forced to live with it? and
why shouldn't we offer them a chance to change it?
edited to add not
[Edited on 5-22-2009 by flyfishinPam]
|
|
|
Bajajack
Banned
Posts: 370
Registered: 5-20-2007
Location: Arizona
Member Is Offline
|
|
It's time to bring back Pancho Villa, Viva La Revolucion.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
|
|
|
flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: gone fishin'
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
At least here in the Sur...there seems to be more accountabliity these days....or am I just being optomistic. |
I am sorry to say that corruption is much worse now that it was when I made the move to live here fulltime in 1999. its disheartening very sad
|
|
|
Mango
Senior Nomad
Posts: 685
Registered: 4-11-2006
Location: Alta California &/or Mexicali
Member Is Offline
Mood: Bajatastic
|
|
I stopped reading this thread after the first page.
Pretty much if you choose to live somewhere; you, have to learn to accept the culture and work with it. You can't impose, expect, or demand to impose
your own culture into another culture without problems.
This thread shows more about how many foreigners do not respect, understand, or even care to learn about Mexican culture. It's not perfect, no
culture is.
I'm convinced that some here would wander around Mecca in a bikini and get peeed they couldn't find a c-cktail bar. They got the fool part down...
still looking for pardise though.
|
|
|
Woooosh
Banned
Posts: 5240
Registered: 1-28-2007
Location: Rosarito Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Luminescent Waves at Rosarito Beach
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
All Mexico needs is a plan and the will to follow it. Mexico is NOT a poor country, it is rich in natural resources but fails to distribute the
wealth because the "kings" are in control. The "Kings" like things the way they are in Mexico. There are Kings in gov't, business world, the
Military and of-course in the Narco world. Until you can separate the wealth of Mexico from the King's control- there can be no change.
|
You could very easily substitute "US of A" for "Mexico". |
No you can't. Whole different animal down to the genetics. Our Kings are nobel.
|
I admit you have me confused...there are 545 people that write our laws and not one of those SOBs are Nobel. |
None of the 545 lawmakers are Kings. They are the rooks and bishops of the Kings. That much is true on both sides of the border.
In Mexico a King example would be the narco who recently made it onto the Forbe's list of the worlds wealthiest people. He is in hiding and
invisiable, yet much more powerful and influential than any lawmakers. In the USA a King could be the Lobbyists- look how long it has taken to address
credit card companies, Tobacco, or even Big Oil? Karl Rove is a King, Bush certainly was not. Bill Gates and Carlos Slim are both Kings- but very
different ones. Gates gives virtually all his Billions away for the better of the world. If Carlos Slim gave every Mexican family a free phone line
and a $200 laptop he could move Mexcio forward faster socially than anyone or anything else.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
|
|
|
flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: gone fishin'
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
American's "sense of decency" (an Obama term) comes from centuries of our fathers and grandfathers doing the right thing and fighting the good fights
for the mostpart. It's what makes America the envy/whipping boy of the world at the same time. Mexicans simply don't have that point of reference yet,
and until they do- they are unlikely to change or even think about changing. |
OK then using your logic we shouldn't interfere with women's right in other countries either. Since they've been doing it for hundreds of years we'll
just let them just keep burying women up to their necks and stone them for even only an accusation of misbehaviour, and say nothing. they are
unlikely to change or even think about changing? why don't you ask a few campesinos this question.
|
|
|
flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: gone fishin'
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
All Mexico needs is a plan and the will to follow it. Mexico is NOT a poor country, it is rich in natural resources but fails to distribute the
wealth because the "kings" are in control. The "Kings" like things the way they are in Mexico. There are Kings in gov't, business world, the
Military and of-course in the Narco world. Until you can separate the wealth of Mexico from the King's control- there can be no change.
|
You could very easily substitute "US of A" for "Mexico". |
No you can't. Whole different animal down to the genetics. Our Kings are nobel.
|
I admit you have me confused...there are 545 people that write our laws and not one of those SOBs are Nobel. |
None of the 545 lawmakers are Kings. They are the rooks and bishops of the Kings. That much is true on both sides of the border.
In Mexico a King example would be the narco who recently made it onto the Forbe's list of the worlds wealthiest people. He is in hiding and
invisiable, yet much more powerful and influential than any lawmakers. In the USA a King could be the Lobbyists- look how long it has taken to address
credit card companies, Tobacco, or even Big Oil? Karl Rove is a King, Bush certainly was not. Bill Gates and Carlos Slim are both Kings- but very
different ones. Gates gives virtually all his Billions away for the better of the world. If Carlos Slim gave every Mexican family a free phone line
and a $200 laptop he could move Mexcio forward faster socially than anyone or anything else. |
WOOOOWOOOOOO
enter the vortex!
|
|
|
flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: gone fishin'
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mango
I stopped reading this thread after the first page.
Pretty much if you choose to live somewhere; you, have to learn to accept the culture and work with it. You can't impose, expect, or demand to impose
your own culture into another culture without problems.
This thread shows more about how many foreigners do not respect, understand, or even care to learn about Mexican culture. It's not perfect, no
culture is.
I'm convinced that some here would wander around Mecca in a bikini and get peeed they couldn't find a c-cktail bar. They got the fool part down...
still looking for pardise though. |
I can't just let this ne go. Stopped reading after the first page and posted on page three? OK well you may read disrespect of culture but
unfortunately you stopped reading once you decided what all participants are like in your mind. The above comments you made are untrue of all that
posted on this thread, well except for Ron , just kidding!
|
|
|
Woooosh
Banned
Posts: 5240
Registered: 1-28-2007
Location: Rosarito Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Luminescent Waves at Rosarito Beach
|
|
Hey- if you can't take one of Rons threads to the twightlight zone- why even post? It is interesting though.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
|
|
|
Woooosh
Banned
Posts: 5240
Registered: 1-28-2007
Location: Rosarito Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Luminescent Waves at Rosarito Beach
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
American's "sense of decency" (an Obama term) comes from centuries of our fathers and grandfathers doing the right thing and fighting the good fights
for the mostpart. It's what makes America the envy/whipping boy of the world at the same time. Mexicans simply don't have that point of reference yet,
and until they do- they are unlikely to change or even think about changing. |
OK then using your logic we shouldn't interfere with women's right in other countries either. Since they've been doing it for hundreds of years we'll
just let them just keep burying women up to their necks and stone them for even only an accusation of misbehaviour, and say nothing. they are
unlikely to change or even think about changing? why don't you ask a few campesinos this question. |
I respect your post- but don't see the connection to mine. I take the Davinci Code approach to womens rights. The world was designed to be run by
women and was doing well that way until men got peeed off about it. Some maternal primitive societies still exist in Africa, the AMazon and
indonesia. Women give birth and run the show while the men are sent out to hunt. But the Catholic church decided to make men more important and had
all the outspoken women of the time put to death as witches (in the millions). The Catholic church made men dominant, prevented women from
participating and is still operating that way. Islam just isn't as nice about it.
[Edited on 5-21-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds. |
Do you have that many encounters with the police that you can concentrate on perfecting your method of peaceful resistance? Sounds like a hobby.
|
|
|
Dave
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6005
Registered: 11-5-2002
Member Is Offline
|
|
Ghandi meets Mexico
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds. |
Do you have that many encounters with the police that you can concentrate on perfecting your method of peaceful resistance? Sounds like a hobby.
|
Any bets on how that'll turn out?
I'd pay to see it. 
|
|
|
Woooosh
Banned
Posts: 5240
Registered: 1-28-2007
Location: Rosarito Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Luminescent Waves at Rosarito Beach
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds. |
Do you have that many encounters with the police that you can concentrate on perfecting your method of peaceful resistance? Sounds like a hobby.
|
Any bets on how that'll turn out?
I'd pay to see it. |
with or without the moderator intervening again?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
|
|
|
Bajajack
Banned
Posts: 370
Registered: 5-20-2007
Location: Arizona
Member Is Offline
|
|
You mean the Mex Biased Moderator.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If you continue this line they usually start crying and eventually give in. Try it. It wokrs everytime and you'll never pay mordida again. If you get
good at it, they collapse in seconds. |
Do you have that many encounters with the police that you can concentrate on perfecting your method of peaceful resistance? Sounds like a hobby.
|
Any bets on how that'll turn out?
I'd pay to see it. |
That is the best insult you could come up with... your losing it Dave. Where's the vicious, negative and spiteful Dave we know so well? Probably at a
meet-up with Dennis and DK getting drunk and angry to plot more insidious negativity I would expect?
Jaja keep it up, your posts are a real asset! You're a big help you know. A real good will sprirt!
|
|
|
Dave
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6005
Registered: 11-5-2002
Member Is Offline
|
|
Boo hoo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
with or without the moderator intervening again? |
Yeah, some of the kiddies run crying to mama.
|
|
|
Dave
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6005
Registered: 11-5-2002
Member Is Offline
|
|
Four birds...one stone
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Where's the vicious, negative and spiteful Dave we know so well? Probably at a meet-up with Dennis and DK getting drunk and angry to plot more
insidious negativity I would expect?
|
Nah, We're always too drunk to make the meeting.
How's this:
You come along as designated driver. Then when the cops stop us you can practice your diplomacy.
|
|
|
MrBillM
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21656
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Out and About
Member Is Offline
Mood: It's a Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah Day
|
|
The DEATH Penalty ?
I can see where the Death Penalty would work out in Mexico, especially as applied to Officialdom.
Providing a way out of it for those sentenced would be an excellent source of Mordida. And not the petty kind.
For myself, "I don't want to set the world on Fire" and I certainly don't give a crap about reforming Anybody else's political system if it doesn't
work to my advantage.
I'll pay on the spot as long as it's reasonable. The only time in many, many occasions when I declined, it was because the amount requested was too
high. AND, that was only once years ago. Since then I've been a satisfied customer.
Y'All who are dedicated to reforming the system check in once in awhile so we know how that's going. Consider me the (willing and paying) enemy.
It's OK.
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3
4
5 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
