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Yes Redmesa, I'm sure what you say is true. In fact I intend to be one of them someday.
But I have the FM3 and it wasn't easy to get. It took leg work and money. But I will be legal.
I honestly don't think Canada will miss the tourists from Mexico who are dissuaded from visiting now. The ones that do visit will be more affluent.
And I'm sure there are some people in Mexico who don't have the correct papers too. They probably still spend lots of money in Mexico that comes from
the US or Canada. That's usually not the case with Mexicans that are in those countries illegally. They have their hand out for all the public
services. We can't afford them anymore. Look at what is happening in California right now. We're broke.
But I think you may be aware that there is somewhere between 12-20 million illegal Mexican immigrants in the US. We really can't tolerate anymore. The
US is on the verge of imploding under it's own weight. The worlds lifeboat is full and it's about to sink. Then what?
I believe Canada has been very liberal about immigration in the past. But maybe they have enough people there now and are starting to feel the same
sort of pressure we are here in the US.
Legitimate tourists are always welcome in any country.
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JESSE
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Well, the reality of all this is, that its going to get a lot harder to get Mexican papers in the future. And Mexican tourist are going to grow to
become a very important and desirable segment. (Here in La Paz they are about 60% of our business and a reason why La Paz has done a lot better than
Cabo or Loreto). If Canada wants to require visas so be it, but at least do it like the Americans do, they let you know a year in advance that they
will be requiring certain documentation. But a sudden change creates a lot of problems. This winter i was planning to go to Vancouver on vacation,
instead, i will be spending my money on a nice California winter resort.
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Ya, know Jesse that is why I like La Paz and the surrounding areas so much. It's authentic. Sure there are some US and other tourists but the are alot
of Mexican tourists. I guess from the mainland. It's Mexico being Mexican.
If you wanted Vancover you could still go to Seattle. A nice place in the summertime. There is a bunch of islands and mountains.
Go to the airplane museum. I think it's free after 5 on Thursday or something like that.
But if you come to SoCal you won't be disappointed.
There is a good hotel right across the street from me. A Ramada and about 1 mile to Newport Beach. Like $75-100. It's fun here!
But ya, I would love to go to Canada and catch some nice big salmon!
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I misread. Okay wintertime Lake Tahoe. I go to Kirkwood but Heavenly is nice and right in town.
Kirkwood get's more snow that anyplace else in the US including Colorado.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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this "better class of tourists" thing really irks me...a good example is Juan's uncle Javier who has been entertaining many gringos here with his
music and good cheer and little english. He retired this year and so has some disposable income he was planning to visit my family in Canada...who
invited him.
They are still the same class of people even though they have a bit of money now...perhaps they wont spend as much as say a japanese tourist...so
what....my family will drop alot of cash entertaining them and showing them the sights and attractions.
What the hay?? only wealthy tourists should be welcome....that sucks...think back people....waaaaay back to when you were a youngster who wanted to
surf or camp in baja. I really disdain "high end" only type of mentality...what about the normal dudes and dudettes who may not be slaves to the
almighty dollar but certainly have the right to travel and see the world.
I once had this what I thought was a great idea....resorts, hotels, restaurants etc....should HAVE to have an area, rooms etc for the cash strapped
folks...no elitism...just different services so even the not so rich could enjoy beautiful places...what a dream eh! I have tried to apply this to our
scene here...to have something for everyone...alternative ideas for those who dont have alot of money but make up for it in enthusiasm and love of
travel.
I am just sick about this change in availability for my family and friends here to see Canada...it is a huge topic of discussion here and very sad as
we had been making plans for some of the elders and teens to visit this magnificent country.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I am just sick about this change in availability for my family and friends here to see Canada...it is a huge topic of discussion here and very sad as
we had been making plans for some of the elders and teens to visit this magnificent country. |
There's been a lot of numbers thrown around here as to the new cost to travel into Canada. Realistically, without putting a dollar price on stress,
how much is it?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I once had this what I thought was a great idea....resorts, hotels, restaurants etc....should HAVE to have an area, rooms etc for the cash strapped
folks...no elitism...just different services so even the not so rich could enjoy beautiful places...what a dream eh! |
That might be an unlikely mix of Socialism and Capitalism. A dream for some...a nightmare for others.
Your heart's in the right place tho, Shari.
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the change in visa requirements to Mexico is bad , it reflects the times we live in . It will be much harder on the Mexican people than Canadians .
The Czech visa requirement is strange . Canadians wander visaless around the EU . As members of the EU the Czech Republic will be asking that
Parliment for Canadians to hold EU visas .
Mexican working folk in Canada have always required a ' work visa ' strange that Canadian employees have been allowed in without a visa government or
not .
There must be more to this than sudden action ...........
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More info on the subject. We can't have too much, can we.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/14/czech-visas-mexico....
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In 15 years time Europe, Japan, US and Canada will have to pay people to move into their countries............
It is just a question of demographics. An ageing population will need more and more influx of future immigrants for all kind of jobs.
Do you know who created a 2 trillion USD + debt during last year that will never be repaid?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by aldosalato
In 15 years time Europe, Japan, US and Canada will have to pay people to move into their countries............
It is just a question of demographics. An ageing population will need more and more influx of future immigrants for all kind of jobs.
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Faulty projection unless everything is government controlled. With rampant government spending requiring more taxation, who is going to have
anything left to buy these services.
By the way...the birth rate is robust unlike education in California. In your fifteen years, even Mexico will have difficulty competeing in the
low-end labor market with the blockheads produced by Arnold and his cabal in California.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
So can't we find another way?
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Are you lobbying for "No Visa" or a more accessible, easier to obtain visa?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
John's letter to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration in Canada, Jason Kenney and others
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I don't think you will have much luck. I just read that Canada spends on average $29,000 per person for each amnesty request. It has to provide room
and board and a lawyer until the case is resolved. Which takes some time. If approximately 10,000 Mexicans per year are applying for amnesty in
Canada, that is $290 million of Canadian taxpayer money that is being wasted.
One might argue that Mexican tourists spend more money than that in Canada, but that is false economics. Spending is not tax revenues. In order to
generate $290 million of tax revenues in Canada, Mexicans would have to be spending over $3 BILLION tourist dollars to generate a $290 million tax.
It's gets easier to understand why Canada has made the changes.
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Maybe if Mexico doesn't charge Canadians for the Biosphere fine that Canada won't charge Mexicans a visa fee?
Why is it okay for Mexico to charge people money but if another country charges Mexicans money it is somehow unfair and Mexicans are the "victim"
again?
I'll say what someone on here told me about the Biosphere fee.
If you don't like it then don't go there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
John's letter to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration in Canada, Jason Kenney and others
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I don't think you will have much luck. I just read that Canada spends on average $29,000 per person for each amnesty request. It has to provide room
and board and a lawyer until the case is resolved. Which takes some time. If approximately 10,000 Mexicans per year are applying for amnesty in
Canada, that is $290 million of Canadian taxpayer money that is being wasted.
One might argue that Mexican tourists spend more money than that in Canada, but that is false economics. Spending is not tax revenues. In order to
generate $290 million of tax revenues in Canada, Mexicans would have to be spending over $3 BILLION tourist dollars to generate a $290 million tax.
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I think there is definately a big problem with Canadas refugee laws (like we didnt know this:rolleyes . Mexicans do not need to seek asylum in Canada, period. The nation regardless of its problems, is full of
possibilities and opportunities. Why can´t Canada simply create a no nonsense department for screening potential refugees from designated troubled
countries? if a Mexican, or an American or an European wants asylum, they would need to show plenty of proof in order to even get a second
consideration?
This current policy of just show up and claim your a victim of whatever, and thats it, you get into he process, its simply ridiculous.
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Does the US offer Amnesty to Mexicans? Seems like it would be a huge affront to the Democratic efforts of the Calderón administration.
Seems Canada does offer amnesty to Mexicans, or did. And all this time I thought the attraction was socialized medicine and elk hunting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
This current policy of just show up and claim your a victim of whatever, and thats it, you get into he process, its simply ridiculous.
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Sure it is. Mexico knows that. Look at your southern border.
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Amnesty?
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Does the US offer Amnesty to Mexicans? ...
Seems Canada does offer amnesty to Mexicans, or did. |
From what?
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There is one subject we havent mentioned here, but in my opinion, is the reason behind this problem.
Canadian immigration attorneys who have abused the laws for profit.
I lived in Canada many years ago, i know the immigration system fairly well, and i can tell you the overwhelming mayority Mexicans get a Canadian
immigration attorney to deal with the process. Recently, in the past 4 or 5 years, there has been an explosion of immigration law firms advertising
for immigration to Canada. When i was up there, there was only 2 or 3. Today, Google "immigration canada" and you will see what i mean.
They advertise in most major Mexican newspapers asking people if they would like to move to Canada.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Does the US offer Amnesty to Mexicans? ...
Seems Canada does offer amnesty to Mexicans, or did. |
From what? |
Yeah......That's the point. Or, should be. They don't necessarily grant amnesty but, once the application is accepted, the long clock starts to
tic. By the time their number comes up, they're drinking Molsons and getting free root canals.
Canada created her own problems and should be taken to task for it and the last to question the idea of amnesty for protection from within Mexico
would be Mexico herself. Endure any indignation but, don't stop these people from leaving.
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