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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Although all lanes arn't created equal, all drivers are.
We have rights. |
but passing on the outside lane of the track is always harder than passing on the inside
Bob Durrell
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durrelllrobert
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SPEED LIMIT 65 MPH
To stupid old me what I get is that the governmental entity that posted the sign intends that citizens shall limit their speed to 65 MPH. What the
hell else can it possibly mean?
Also means that if speed limit is posted higher the Feds cut off interstate highway funding
Bob Durrell
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toneart
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Why I obey the law, give or take a few MPHs:
1. Police intimidation- I don't want to get a speeding ticket. I used to get lots of tickets as a youth. It was expensive and messed with my insurance
rates. To this day I drive with one eye in the rear view mirror.
2. Concern over my safety and the safety of others- To satisfy this concern I try to go with the flow of traffic on freeways. If I am being tailgated,
I move over to the right when it is safe to do so. Sometimes that means speeding up in the left lane until it is safe to move over.The California law
states that you use the left lane for passing. So I don't drive in the left lane unless it is to pass a slower vehicle or group of vehicles. The point
is, the left lane is not for continuous driving. However, if you are stuck in stalled, bumper to bumper traffic, then the left lane is as good as any.
On windy mountain two lane roads, I am often tailgated even when going 5-8 MPH over the posted speed limits. This is very annoying and uncomfortable,
so I look for the first convenient place to pull off the road and let the tailgater go by.
Then there is the frightened, usually older person (certainly not all), or the person not paying full attention to his/her driving (cell phones,
texting comes to mind) who are road hogs. They creep along well below the posted speed limit without regard or awareness that there is anybody behind
them.
The tailgater and the road hog really peees me off. But you never know who they are, what kind of a day they are having or if they are packing a gun.
There are lots of people with chips on their shoulder who are set off by another person honking or gesturing. Road rage ensues and can get you killed.
Then there is the problem of each person driving at the speed they feel most comfortable. Well, to that I subscribe to the double standard tenet; it's OK for me,  , but it's not OK for you! 
Regarding Vgabndo's "REASON" signature, it is interesting that Martin Luther protested Reason. My assumption is that Reason gets in the way of blind
faith. (I thought Luther was a Lutheran, not a Protestant.  I prefer
William Blake's reasons against Reason, prevalent in his writing and depicted in his mystical engravings; a protesting of the hypocrisies that he saw
in the religious and moral standards of his day.
Edited by driver to make it relevant to Baja:
When in Baja I sometimes fly like a bat out of hell! And sometimes I slow down to smell the desert air. 
[Edited on 10-11-2009 by toneart]
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mtgoat666
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Cars traveling at different speeds cause a hazard, as they pass one another. Generally, all are safer when all cars are traveling at same speed.
Vago's insistence on traveling against the flow is the real hazard. If he traveled with the flow all would be safer.
One must wonder about a persons reasoning if they can't understand that speed disparity is larger risk factor than traveling 10 or 20 mph above
highway speed limit.
[Edited on 10-11-2009 by mtgoat666]
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rocmoc
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Although all lanes arn't created equal, all drivers are.
We have rights. |
but passing on the outside lane of the track is always harder than passing on the inside |
Depends on your setup & the track!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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k-rico
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The probability of a collision and the magnitude of its seriousness is directly proportional to the difference of velocity (speed and direction) of
your car and those around you. Driving the speed limit in any lane when others are driving faster or slower is dangerous.
Ya gotta go with the flow.
[Edited on 10-11-2009 by k-rico]
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
One must wonder about a persons reasoning if they can't understand that speed disparity is larger risk factor than traveling 10 or 20 mph above
highway speed limit.
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Why not then raise the speed limit 10-20mph? Why have laws they don't intend to enforce? It's really pretty stupid.
I follow the speed limits in baja at all the turns as they tell me how sharp the turn will be. It's my clue. A honda civic, however. can take a turn
safely probably 20pmh faster than a tacoma with a camper. But you can't have different sign for different car models. So they post a speed limit for
the slowest vehicles. Does that give you a right to drive faster than the limit. Well, let's put it this way - if you're involved in an accident the
fact that you were speeding will not do much for your cause.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I follow the speed limits in baja at all the turns as they tell me how sharp the turn will be. It's my clue.
Is it just me? I seriously doubt anyone has ever counted the number of curves on Highway 1 between El Rosario and La Paz. However, my experience has
been that most of the signage, whether speed limit or arrows on the curves tends to be consistent. But, every once in a while, it's way off. I tend to
look ahead to see how many arrows are in sight and adjust my speed accordingly. Unfortunately that does not always work. Makes me wonder if some
curves are overlooked by the highway authorities, or if it's just a juridictional difference.
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vgabndo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja&Back
Vgabundo: You obviously still don't get the point. YOU specifically DO NOT have the right, in any jurisdiction, to drive in the fast lane at ANY speed
slower than the prevailing flow of traffic. God bless any officer who tickets you. I always tow at 55 (in the slow lane), but still get angered at
pious roadhogs deliberately obstructing traffic in the fast lane.
Sorry I can't resist. You appear to be saying that when you are cruising along with 15 or 20 fuel guzzling motorhomes in a convoy up the Grapevine and
two out of three lanes are blocked by 80,000 pound trucks, you slam on the brakes and drive 35 MPH over the little mountain. I'll bet my hat that you
pull right over into the fast lane and block the prevailing flow without a second thought. I already KNOW what the people on this board think about
your convoys of slow crawling vehicles blocking the prevailing flow of traffic in Baja. Coming up behind your mile long slow moving business venture
is one of the unluckyest things that will happen to most of us on highway one.
I find being called a pious roadhog by a Baja motorhome tour operator absolutely hilarious!
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Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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landyacht318
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I think Vgabndo quoted Baja&back's post and responded to B&B's post from within the quoted material, confusing most all of us.
[Edited on 10-12-2009 by landyacht318]
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Barry A.
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This entire thread had taken on confusing and incomprehensible realities, it seems to me. What we have here is a total failure in comunication, I am
afraid.
I need to sleep on it------maybe that will clear my head.
Barry
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vgabndo
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Sorry Barry, another post snuck in before I posted my response to the caravan leaders.
In my view it is all about laws being created to coddle the lawless. The problem runs MUCH deeper in this culture. Don't get me started on the
"pious" people who stand in front of their Lord, their Priests, and their flock of likeminded sheep and promise to stay married until "death do they
part" then about half of them run out and get a divorce. When there are no consequences for not obeying the (slightly) prevalent religious law is it
any surprise that many have no respect for civil law. From the Darwinistic side of my perception many of my critics are correct. By trying to adhere
to the rules established by our society, I may be run over by the herd and rendered a non-breeder. It may please many to know that I didn't pass
along my DNA and their heirs may be free from any influence I might otherwise have had.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Skeet/Loreto
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As I set and read all of the Posts of this Thread i think of my Day Dreams:
For Tailgators- An Air Dummy in the back of my pickup that I can inflate when a tailgator gets close. The dummy dressed in Army Fatigues with an AK 47
pointed back at the tailgator with a big sign that says "Back -Off Ahole"!
For Speeders who pass and cut in:
A small device that can be pointed at the Offender and it will Deflate all of his Tires!!
Of all the posts I have not seen any comment for responsibllty for you fellowman!!
Shame on All of you!
Skeet/Loreto
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vgabndo
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Wrong again Deacon. I AM calling for responsibility. If everyone was obeying the speed limit, there couldn't be a case where anyone could be peeved
because I was. So simple a Neandertal could understand it. (That wasn't meant to dinegrate your belief system) 
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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woody with a view
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drive as fast as you feel comfortable. if i fly past (more comfortable) we can exchange single finger salutes!
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
As I set and read all of the Posts of this Thread i think of my Day Dreams:
For Tailgators- An Air Dummy in the back of my pickup that I can inflate when a tailgator gets close. The dummy dressed in Army Fatigues with an AK 47
pointed back at the tailgator with a big sign that says "Back -Off Ahole"!
For Speeders who pass and cut in:
A small device that can be pointed at the Offender and it will Deflate all of his Tires!!
Of all the posts I have not seen any comment for responsibllty for you fellowman!!
Shame on All of you!
Skeet/Loreto |
Skeet! Pay attention! No shame on me
Here is the 2nd paragraph of my post:
"2. Concern over my safety and the safety of others- To satisfy this concern I try to go with the flow of traffic on freeways. If I am being
tailgated, I move over to the right when it is safe to do so. Sometimes that means speeding up in the left lane until it is safe to move over.The
California law states that you use the left lane for passing. So I don't drive in the left lane unless it is to pass a slower vehicle or group of
vehicles. The point is, the left lane is not for continuous driving. However, if you are stuck in stalled, bumper to bumper traffic, then the left
lane is as good as any." Faulty Reason is almost as bad as logical Reason. Sometimes your Reason has craters in it. 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Wrong again Deacon. I AM calling for responsibility. If everyone was obeying the speed limit, there couldn't be a case where anyone could be peeved
because I was. So simple a Neandertal could understand it. (That wasn't meant to dinegrate your belief system) |
Come on Perry, you are not the highway patrol, so let them do their job... By playing cop in the fast lane, you are creating problems... the police
know this and that is why the law reads to have SLOWER traffic stay to the right when there is more than one lane in that direction of travel... even
to pull over when the line of cars reaches a certain number.
The fast lane should be kept clear except when passing, anyway... At least be curteous enough to pull over to the next lane if someone needs to go
faster... Perhaps there is a medical emergency, baby coming or heart attack. By blocking the car that is behind you the way you say you do... well,
that is just plain dangerous and hateful to your fellow human.
Please think about it, the highway is paid for and belongs to all of us... some people just may be better drivers than you give them credit for...
Maybe they need a Baja Fix real bad... Peace Love and Fish Tacos, right? 
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If one wants to really tick off the people that linger in the fast lane then get an electric sprayer or make one from the winshield washer system and
fill it with diesel fuel. Pass the slowpoke them move over in front of him or her and release a little spray as you move on.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Wrong again Deacon. I AM calling for responsibility. If everyone was obeying the speed limit........ |
Ever heard this:
“Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
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viabaja
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Who the hell drives that road at the posted limit?
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