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DianaT
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Arctic Ice Cap to disappear
Interesting, very brief article about another study done about the disappearing ice cap.
Artic Ice Cap to Disappear
I am sure some will say that because it was not done by people from the US, it is just more political propaganda---especially since the scientist was
educated at Cambridge and probably does not listen to Rush Limbaugh to hear the TRUTH. 
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Fred-o
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Estero Beach Ain't Got No More Beach!
I began my Baja adventures in 1988 at Estero Beach, and bought a trailer/cabaña long before I became a premanente'. There was a huge beach in front of
the entire resort developement.
The "spit" (Baja Beach & Tennis Club) was way over yonder across the channel that we could easily take our boats through. We could barely make out
the Sea Lions over there sunning.
Now! There is no beach at Estero Beach, and the "spit" is only a stones throw away, with the Sea Lions highly visible.
You cannot take a boat through the "channel" anymore it's all silted up.
When they had the Vollyball tournaments, there were 150 nets strung up over part that huge beach area. No Mas mi amigos... No Mas Vollyball either,
sadly.
Yes; tides, currents, possibly changes in the beach further up from Estero...Who knows, but it's all gone now. When will it come back?
GOK
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
How does one Nomad tell another Nomad, that the other Nomad is not an expert on everything?
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(1975) Master's thesis on factors controlling the distribution of crustaceans on central california beaches.
(1979) PhD work at University of New Hampshire on new england beach macrofauna.
Spent lotta time those years on my hands and knees with collection vials, strainers, and alcohol. You learn a few things that way.  |
So knowing one thing extensively, provides for a general claim of knowing everything better than others? Or at least it provides a bully pulpit from
which to pontificate about the shortcomings of others in one person's eyes?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fred-o
I began my Baja adventures in 1988 at Estero Beach, and bought a trailer/cabaña long before I became a premanente'. There was a huge beach in front of
the entire resort developement.
The "spit" (Baja Beach & Tennis Club) was way over yonder across the channel that we could easily take our boats through. We could barely make out
the Sea Lions over there sunning.
Now! There is no beach at Estero Beach, and the "spit" is only a stones throw away, with the Sea Lions highly visible.
You cannot take a boat through the "channel" anymore it's all silted up.
When they had the Vollyball tournaments, there were 150 nets strung up over part that huge beach area. No Mas mi amigos... No Mas Vollyball either,
sadly.
Yes; tides, currents, possibly changes in the beach further up from Estero...Who knows, but it's all gone now. When will it come back?
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Maybe never. One theory involve the housing/ building infrastructure in and a round Estero Beach altering the historic wind patterns. Actually, where
commercial interests are involved, virtually all around the world, harbors and river mouths are dredged regularly to allow passage of commerce. Who'da
thunk that Estero de Punta Banda needed to be dredged? Maybe, eventually, Punta Estero and Estero Beach will merge. The unfortunate aspect to that
prospect is the probable demise of many species that live in the estuary.
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
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How does one Nomad tell another Nomad, that the other Nomad is not an expert on everything?
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(1975) Master's thesis on factors controlling the distribution of crustaceans on central california beaches.
(1979) PhD work at University of New Hampshire on new england beach macrofauna.
Spent lotta time those years on my hands and knees with collection vials, strainers, and alcohol. You learn a few things that way. |
So knowing one thing extensively, provides for a general claim of knowing everything better than others? Or at least it provides a bully pulpit from
which to pontificate about the shortcomings of others in one person's eyes? |
I'm going to jump in here and defend Igor. I don't think he was claiming to know "everything better than others", he was just pointing out that he
knows a lot about beaches, which I thought was the issue.
carpe diem!
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Natalie Ann
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You're right, Ken... Igor did not say he knew everything better than others. I just reread this whole darn thread and nowhere does he even
imply that to be the case.
It seems pretty darn clear to me that each of us Nomads has a choice. We can take the opinion of someone who has graduate degrees and life experience
studying beaches.... we can take the time ourselves to learn the science of beaches.... or we can take the word of someone who travels to a spot he
calls 'Shell Island', looks at the water level and calls that science. It's up to you, kids.
nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
So knowing one thing extensively, provides for a general claim of knowing everything better than others? Or at least it provides a bully pulpit from
which to pontificate about the shortcomings of others in one person's eyes? |
Gee, I must have missed where Igor claimed to know EVERYTHING better others----did he do that?
I think not.
Now I can and have differed with him about things that involve OPINION, but that is a very different thing.
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Bajahowodd
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David. Maybe you like controversy. If so, ignore this. But the plain and simple truth is that while your fantastic knowledge of Baja history and the
missions, in specific, is a wonderful resource for folks on this board, you need to recognize that when you get involved in many of the other
discussions here, you actually diminish your ability to totally captivate us with what you do best. Obviously, I'm not the official censor here. But,
over time, what I have seen is that you get involved in way too many issues that are either controversial, or that you create the controversy. Just a
friendly suggestion. Try to stay out of politics ( not to mention that politics should really only be reserved to off-topic) but also issues like
climate change. Going out on a limb here, but I'm thinking that maybe your personal beliefs are formed from a minority belief position in the world.
Please tell me you're not waiting for the rapture.
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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
How does one Nomad tell another Nomad, that the other Nomad is not an expert on everything?
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(1975) Master's thesis on factors controlling the distribution of crustaceans on central california beaches.
(1979) PhD work at University of New Hampshire on new england beach macrofauna.
Spent lotta time those years on my hands and knees with collection vials, strainers, and alcohol. You learn a few things that way. |
Skipjack Joe,
what do you think about the diminishing sand on beaches due to building of dams?
I've done a little research myself about Hoover Dam, and I believe as a result of it the upper cortez is being deprived of sand on it's beaches,
namely mine.
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Bajahowodd
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Sorry to jump in, but a more pressing problem is the lack of water.
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Natalie, please retract this: ".... or we can take the word of someone who travels to a spot he calls 'Shell Island', looks at the water level and
calls that science. It's up to you, kids."
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I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
Natalie Ann
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If somebody comes back and calls me a liar or whatever, then they have a problem with the facts or just that a non-liberal is presenting the facts.
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 Best laugh of the day---guess you must be a liberal after all since you seem to
like to call people liars.
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David.... Sorry Old Boy...But if anyone on this board has a political agenda it is you!!!! Hey-- its your right, just do not be in denial!. ++C++
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Bajahowodd
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Daniel k. Ludwig, an international shipping magnate started the salt works at Guerrero Negro. I happen to know him because we both had an affiliation
to Westlake Village California. Point is that I don't invoke Ludwig ten times a day. (he sold out when he believed the Mexican government wa going to
nationalize the salt facility)
'Nuff said. You have helped prove my point. I'm betting that if Doug took a poll, and asked Nomads to vote as to whether they were conservative of
liberal, the conservatives would win by a handy margin.
Sure, there has to be an openness here for it to work. But please think before you post. In my opinion, you have a hair trigger about too many issues.
One of the unfortunate developments in the US over the past couple of decades is that we have allowed conservatives to claim that they are
marginalized, despite the fact they have continually gained power. The liberal media is a myth. Hey man, you conservative guys have an immense
influence over what this country is doing. I will refrain from making a value judgement on that. It just annoys me no end, that, just as in a boxing
match, you guys are almost always ahead on points, but want to claim the ref is biased against you.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
So knowing one thing extensively, provides for a general claim of knowing everything better than others? Or at least it provides a bully pulpit from
which to pontificate about the shortcomings of others in one person's eyes?
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Listen, I never volunteered my background. You asked for it. You goaded us to provide proof that we knew what we were talking about. So I did.
The subject is coastal soft sediments and I spent 5 years of my life on it. If that comes across as pontification to you, so be it. Put yourself in my
shoes. You read statements over and over again that are clearly wrong and you should be silent about them? Why?
As for my shortcomings in having extensive knowledge of a single subject. How do you know that? You don't even know me. I left school when I was 30.
My curiosity was such that I was willing to sacrifice wealth and a family life to just learn. You couldn't be further from the truth.
I would like to thank all of those of you who have supported me here.
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What I fail to understand is why us conservatives on Nomad must remain silent while the liberals can post all the hysteria they want?
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what is truly funny is that DK thinks that liberals are trying to silence conservatives, as if he is a member of a persecuted minority. let's start a
movement to free DK from liberal oppression! Free DK!! Let his people go!!!
back to the topic at hand... the problem with many conservative political positions is that they are populist or industrial positions based on
anti-science, anti-intellectualism or pure unadulterated greed.
a couple of the conservative positions that are ludicrous and based on phony science or have an anti-intellectual bias are creationism, claiming that
global warming is false, claiming that gay marriage will harm straight marriage, or arguing that the way to measure and fund education is to use
standardized tests.
conservatives rely on science when it comes to bombs and computers, and rely on religion or fake science to justify their antiquated draconian public
policy goals.
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What does Rush have to do with this thread?
I think politizing an issue comes from both sides.
Being an expert on any subject is too often clouded by ones political beliefs. Surely you all have seen expert witnesses on both sides of a legal
battle claiming their position is the one of truth?
There are scientists willing to stake their credibilty on either side of any subject.
So the wheels go round and round...........................
Ken
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
What does Rush have to do with this thread?
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Only that if one listens to Rush and then reads some of what certain people post about issues, the words are almost copied exactly-----it is the ditto
head thing, and some are real believers.
But I guess I should not pick on Rush---poor man has been called out by the NFL for exactly what he is.
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Bajahowodd
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Actually, according to his recent interview with the folks at Today, he admits that he's merely in it for the money. He wants ratings and a gazillion
dollars. So, all you Rush Limbaugh followers, you've been following a hoar. Plain and simple. Maybe you can go try to find a true believer, but it
won't be Rush. Feel silly now?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
Skipjack Joe,
what do you think about the diminishing sand on beaches due to building of dams?
I've done a little research myself about Hoover Dam, and I believe as a result of it the upper cortez is being deprived of sand on it's beaches,
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That's clearly a problem. Beach sand is normally transported along a beach until it enters a submarine canyon where it ends up. It's always moving and
if you remove the source, well - it's left at the lake bottom.
In relation to this, many of us believed that the totuava are endangered due to overfishing. But it turns out that those fish spawn in the colorado
delta and require a certain flow of water and sediment to do it effectively. It will be interesting to see how much this will effect their comeback
now that they have to be released by fishermen.
The fact that there is sand at the arch is not suprising. On one side you have a marina that has been dredged and on the other you have this long
conveyer belt of sand marching towards you (sand is moving north to south on our coast due to the prevailing winds). Basically what I'm saying is -
there's plenty of sand. I don't know local conditions well enough to say why the sand is deeper at times than at others.
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