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Bajahowodd
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Just seems to me that when people want to benefit from the lower cost structure of a third world country, they had better understand all the
ramifications. There is a deep-rooted culture of corruption in Mexican society. Unfortunately, the hubris of Norte Americanos viz their own government
and society leaves them clueless to the fact that much of the same crap occurs NOB. People are being played everyday. But since we've all had a group
hypnosis that has convinced us that we are better than anyone else, we leave ourselves open to harm. Corruption is everywhere. It is part of human
nature. Sure, if you are living inside the US and feel that someone is taking advantage of you, you may feel a bit more comfortable in speaking out.
But, the ground rules are much the same.
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californio
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i'm rather new to loreto, but I am happy to see that there are so many other folks willing to go out of their way to help rid loreto of one of its
main liabilities - the current immigration staff. Those who don't make the effort to report wrong doings are not on my list of people who I want
to meet and know.
I have had visitors who will not return to loreto because of hassles from Honaria and others. This is a partial reason we are seeing restaurants and
other businesses close here.
If an overwhelming majority, including Mexicans who have had problems, report to the Feds (who will be back in loreto, in person, next week), then we
will have cleaned house and have helped loreto business survive.
DO YOUR PART !
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Dave
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Why?
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Right now there is a person who is guilty a sin that is still working their job. Until enough complaintants come forward and make
these reports this person will skate away unscathed. |
Wouldn't a single proven complaint be sufficient?
Are bank robbers only guilty if they rob 10 banks?
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Bajahowodd
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Again. You are in a foreign country. Like it or not, you either play by their rules, leave, or get in trouble. Why does everyone always need to apply
the rules and culture of the US, such as that is?
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californio
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bank robbers who rob 10 banks get longer sentences than those that rob 1 bank.
But if you really search, you may find many other excuses for not supporting the loreto community.
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Dave
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Maybe so...
| Quote: | Originally posted by californio
bank robbers who rob 10 banks get longer sentences than those that rob 1 bank.
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But they don't remain employed in the bank robbing business, regardless.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Again. You are in a foreign country. Like it or not, you either play by their rules, leave, or get in trouble. Why does everyone always need to apply
the rules and culture of the US, such as that is? |
Not sure how you came up with the USA rules & culture comment. These are Mexican Federal laws being broken by Mexican nationals. They are
defrauding the Mexican government out of revenue as well as charging inappropriate/elevated/bogus fees for various services to non-Mexicans.
As Morgaine7 posted, fees are fixed & publicly posted at the government website.
It is not a positive outcome predictor for me that at least one of these people is currently back at work in the Loreto office.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Again. You are in a foreign country. Like it or not, you either play by their rules, leave, or get in trouble. Why does everyone always need to apply
the rules and culture of the US, such as that is? |
Not sure how you came up with the USA rules & culture comment. These are Mexican Federal laws being broken by Mexican nationals. They are
defrauding the Mexican government out of revenue as well as charging inappropriate/elevated/bogus fees for various services to non-Mexicans.
As Morgaine7 posted, fees are fixed & publicly posted at the government website.
It is not a positive outcome predictor for me that at least one of these people is currently back at work in the Loreto office. |
the reason that person is still working their post although accused is because if they do not report to work they will have abandoned their job and
all the benefits that go with it such as medical and retirement, if they are found to be innocent. so this is understandable. it is our
responsibility to make the reports that INM's internal investigative team is coming here to put together.
it would be the easy road for me to just ignore this entire mess because i'm out of their system now but i am not one to follow the easy road i follow
my conscience. and i agree with californiano that those who are too chickensh!t to make a report even though they were extorted are not people i care
to associate with either.
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Edit: Image
[Edited on 1-6-2010 by ELINVESTI8]
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Marla Daily
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Many people in Loreto paid the immigration "expedite fee" thru an agent hired to do their FM3 renewals, and therefore cannot give "hearsay" evidence
against the guilty immigration employees extorting for extra fees. In these cases, only the hired agents/facilitators can testify. But will they go
out of their way to do so? Doubt it. They have nothing to gain, as they were only the messenger carrying the funds from their client to immigration.
They did what they had to in order to stay in business. If they didn't participate, they couldn't have gotten their work done—securing FM3's for
clients. The officials coming to Loreto need only to go to the various agents in Loreto and interview them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
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[Edited on 1-6-2010 by ELINVESTI8] |
I'm confused....is your "major overreaction" post in response to this entire thread or an individual response?
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ELINVESTIG8R
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You know the answer!
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longlegsinlapaz
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No, I don't know the answer. I don't ask questions that I know the answer to.
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longlegsinlapaz
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My question was a sincere question. What may be obvious to one is clear as mud to another. I guess I should infer that your post was in response to
my post....if this guess is accurate, may I ask what specifically you felt was "major overreaction" in my post?
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longlegsinlapaz
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Thank you for your explanation Flyfishingpam....I didn't know that & interpreted original post to have meant both persons were in custody, so it
threw me for a loop that one could be back at work. Your answer makes sense, despite the "Guilty, until proven innocent" law of the land.
Hopefully justice will win out in the end.
Edit: typo
[Edited on 1-6-2010 by longlegsinlapaz]
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I just hope the idea that the Feds are watching spreads to some other immigration offices around who love to collect extra money. It is always a
difficult situation and one does not want to make the immigration officials angry---
Looking to see how this all shakes out in Loreto and look forward to hearing about it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I just hope the idea that the Feds are watching spreads to some other immigration offices around who love to collect extra money. It is always a
difficult situation and one does not want to make the immigration officials angry---
Looking to see how this all shakes out in Loreto and look forward to hearing about it. |
We share the same jurisdiction. I am reading between the lines and my silence is deafening. 
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californio
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It is strange to me how such a serious subject becomes a venue for mindless humor.
As James Joyce quotes Shakespeare,
" 'Tis the loud laugh that speaks the vacant mind."
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