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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Woooosh makes a very important point. If people in the US are going to focus solely on maximizing there profit on investments on a quarterly basis,
constantly harrangue about lowering taxes, which results in cuts to programs such as education, then they had damm well be prepared to be something
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Not sure where the investments are going to be made, Chinese shipping? .. they come here full and go back to China empty.. not sure how long that can
go on.. we are not really producing and selling anything. or a ship like this on in Long Beach Harbor would be loaded with shipping containers going
some place... as this one is.. back to China to get another load
[Edited on 2-1-2010 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
The murder rate is 7 times higher in TJ. Maybe they should all get more guns?
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If this is what my neighbors would look like, I'd prefer to take my chances in TJ...
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Captured today in Tijuana. That's a .50 Cal. It will fire a bullet right through an armored car.
So then, what were you saying about taking your chances?
Game, Set, Match.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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I hope they keep rounding up the bad guys! One day I may stop in TJ for a drink. For now, straight through town to the toll road.
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Some of the places I go on purpose, to show my kids what places used to look like, I wouldnt mind having my .45 cal somwhere nearby. In the states I
get to have it with me. In Mex you know they have them so its just about making it a level plyaing field, when the wrong guys show up. 150 miles south
of BOLA there are no cops, and very few military, but theres a lot of guys movin dope, I hope you never have to deal with them in a bad situation.
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wessongroup
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That's a sniper rifle... a really good weapon.. Now where would one get that? looks brand new.. came with instruction in Spanish.. what a gun dealer..
wonder if they give discounts
Don't think I'm going to be a target, could be wrong.. I do say things that upset some.. but, the Cartel's or a "set of mules" plugging across the
open with a few hundred thousand in their back backs.. no way.. are they going to be using it on me...
About the only "in coming" I worry about, is just being in the wrong place when these guys startup, trying to make a point to someone involved with
the "trade", be they elected, rivals, non-payment, or what ever.. In most cases the debris left over by these event is mostly folks in the trade and
those poor folks that are ordered to take care of those in the business (may they walk with God),.. and in some cases they will even go after the
family, guess that's why they all were masks HUH
As it seems most to the folks that end up dead, are the result of that kind of action... what benefit would it serve to waste time "offing" old
gringo's eating tamales in Mexico or having a drink in TJ.. my son goes there, he just doesn't go at night and forget weekends.. says it's more fun..
they are really happy to see his money, he can smoke (yeah, I gave up..) shoot pool drink a beer and there are "very" friendly girls around to talk
to.. He's a grown a** man, he can take care of himself.. he doesn't like to come on down to stay with us... say's there is nothing to due.. it's
really boring.. he like the excitement and all the noise of TJ, says it's NY but people don't know it... may be right, NY used to be some place you
had to watch your back at all times.. but, it did have a "vibe" and one could get just about anything one can imagine there too... albeit much more
expensive..
Even when I was a young guy in my early twenties.. I did not like seeing folks coming up on me... when out in the boonies.. I knew I had much more
than they did, even if it was an old 57 VW and a sleeping bag, in most cases it was much more than they had.. there was NOTHING around 40-50 years
ago, no cell phones, no spot, nobody to call for help.. it was part of the deal coming down here... and still is...
This ain't no place for sissy's so just suck it up, just like the Mexican people do and go on with life
If all I have to worry about is some guy with a .50 sniper rifle.. I'm not too concerned.. do I like that someone has one, doesn't bother me, wish I
could have one.. Can't imagine what they are like to fired... and in the "field" it seems to get the job done..
Ok, my coffee is ready .. I'm gone
Have at it.. good thread good input... thanks
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It's a sad thing to stay away from someplace you love because you don't feel safe, but I agree that safety is important. We, as a family, have never
felt unsafe anywhere south of TJ, and we like to go to quiet spots and camp in the middle of nowhere. This is not to say that we do not have some sort
of protection ~ I'm sure our mutts would give any bandito a good lickin' ~
but we carry more in the states. I'd rather spend a month on the beach at Bahia San Quintin or Cabras or Abreojos or San Roque than a week in downtown
Phoenix.
There are bad eggs everywhere and some of them appear to be decent at first glance. Go with your gut, if something, someone, somewhere makes you
uncomfortable, stay away. But to say that "all" of a country is bad does a disservice to the beautiful people and culture that still exists. We have
never felt hospitality and love like that in Baja. Strangers wave to you on the street and give you the most genuine smiles. Be on the look out for
this guy!
Our extended familia in Baja includes practically everyone we have met there. And we spend most of days in the states planning, plotting and dreaming
of ways to spend more time in Baja.
Please!! Don't go to Baja with expectations that it is just like the states! Don't complain because it's "poor" or "dirty" or "dangerous" or whatever
negative description you want to put on it. Relish the beauty ~ in its landscape, its coastline, its wildlife, its people.
Vive Mexico! Vive Baja!
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yeah, it's a scary place. i'm taking the family on an E ticket ride next week. at least i can count on one less person where we're going!
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wessongroup
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bajafam, really like your dogs.. is one a NcNab? and your thoughful post.. 
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Believe it or not, they are brother Mutts, rescued by us 3 years ago. Their mother was abandoned on our dirt road and she had her pups in our
neighbor's shed. My husband brought home those guys and they were just little fat balls of slobbery love. Who could resist? They have the best
demeanor and are awesome Baja mutts, although Wilbur, the one of the right, is a bit of a hoar When we stayed last year on the beach outside Abreojos, he managed to run all the way to town to chase the girl
dogs...and they both attempted to follow some poor friendly guy on a bike from San Roque to Bahia Asuncion. But I tell you what, mess with their
family and you are toast!!
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One of the best dogs we ever had was a Border collie/McNab .. the father was the McNab, belong to a guy who shoed horse in the San Joaquin Valley, the
mother was Border Collie that work on a Ranch in Hanford in Kings County CA.. The pup, was selected from the litter by our son when he was 2.. The
McNab's owner started to laugh... I said Mitchell, what are you laughing about... We named that one Trouble!!!
He and my son grew up together out in the country in Madera County.
He did create some problems but his plus far outweigh this negatives, by a long shot..
Had the McNab, strength "they really are cow dogs" with the Border Collie's agility.. but, gentle to a fault
They do grow on you, and yours appears to be well adjusted, if a not a bit scary at the same time if they really are real comfortable.. a confident
animal with size is a bit of an experience.. got to stay clam, look them in the eye, and then ... pray to God they like you
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WOW, I just found this thread. While most of you sing the praise of how safe Baja is, and blast those of us that CCW, I would like to offer a
different perspective. Reality.
My recent experience is limited to six trips in the last 5 years. Prior to that I visited frequently for several years between 1988-1997. I've been
"chased" off a beach twice because suspected drug runners made me uncomfortable. I've also had the Mexican military stop me in the middle of nowhere
and jump in my truck "shot gun" for a ride ... after assuring me there automatic rifle was unloaded (didn't matter, my seat was already wet). I've
also experience the friendly people living in the back country.
Each year my friends strongly discourage me from taking my annual vacation, and I ignore them ... for the most part. I'm certainly more cautious. I
avoid places where I've had trouble. I don't explore ad lib like I used to and stick to a pre-planned itinerary which is delivered to my friends in
advance. I hate visiting Baja that way, but that is the reality of Mexico right now. For those of you that paint the rosy picture, good for you. My
reality says your glasses are rose-colored.
Once again my friends are strongly trying to discourage me from visiting Baja in April. Once again this year, I'm not going to explore like I would
like to and will visit familiar "safe" places. I've even considered a sat phone to satisfy their fears, and to some degree mine. It's still possible I
might reconsider and travel closer to home, but probably not.
I still love Baja, but it's just not as much fun anymore.
[Edited on 2-12-2010 by Pappy Jon]
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What planet did you arrive from?
I been sitting here quietly reading one of my favorite websites, Bajanomand. Have posted just once last December……and then hundreds of times in the
past under a different name. Been many stories of bull…..yours top them all!
To the sounding of your horrific thoughts about the evil in Baja….is plain silly…..and stupid. I let my kids roam freely in San Felipe, La Paz,
Cozumel, Xalapa, Monterrey, Chichen Itza,Tulume and a hell of a lot more places. At night? No…..I don’t let them out at night in Sacramento either! In
the back alleys? Not in Mexico or New York! Let them roam the badlands? Not in Baja or East L.A.
Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.
Read this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=7288842&a...
There’s as much cr—p going on in the USA. And you know it. New Orleans, Jersey City, Fresno… Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.
Yes…keep safe and stay away from Mexico. USA. too. Oh….let’s throw in Iceland also. Arctic sounds really good for a freakin guy like you.
In my 35 years of traveling Mexico/Baja…I have never had an issue, or my friends.
The Yank.
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wessongroup
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Ain't it the truth... me, I'm hoping everyone leaves... Baja.. would like it just fine, if the roads were not paved, there was no electricity, and we
all went back about 100 years.. gardens, chickens, rabbits, fishing and adobe houses, with no "granite" counter tops.. but, that's just me.. and it
not going to happen...
Unless.... Will you can fill in the blanks on that one.. Soulpatch is making a sound point .... What's the big woof, staying in the States.. About all
you have is just MORE!!! And it is draining the Country to always have MORE!!
Patch is doing like some of our forefathers did... they moved to another place when it got too bad where they were.. good for you Patch... you and you
family can do anything with the tightness you have...
Don't have to wish you luck.. your just taking care of business.. keep us up to speed of how your doing.. it's a good story, and thanks for sharing
Me, I like no: roar of freeways, no helicopters hovering around for 15-30 minutes (with flood lights), sirens , the sound of screeching ties and then
the dull thud of impact, air traffic, no stars at night, traffic which is enough to make any normal person go crazy, and costs of good and service
which are just plain ridiculous .. my boy tells me a date now a days.. which includes a hair cut, fill the tank, movie and dinner, plus going to a
club and having a few drinks and dancing is pretty close to $350 dollars now a days
Well that is just plain crazy... and I can see why the report I read in Newsweek last year in my Doctors office stated that 70% of all men 30 and
above are not married and do not plan to get married.. and with a divorce rate of over 50%.. a man is just committing financial suicide going out to
get married
And if you think this is off topic, you most likely can't walk and chew gum at the same time...
Topic is why you don't travel to Baja, and this is why I and/or we do... as I have not stopped traveling in Baja.. as I live here at this time, and
will until I and/or we decide to move some place else!! my be Pakistan ... they have some beautiful country there, and if you want to live someplace
where it would be dangerous... that would be my pick!!!
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Excellent, Wesson-------------and right on. 
Barry
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BAJA FAM:
Thanks for the great post. My first family trips were in the 60s and my mom always said we go there because the people are warm and friendly. And
for the raw clams that she slurpped down on the street.
When we traveled the mainland in 68 (5 of us in a converted bread bus) we planned to stay 4 weeks, but once we got to Matzatlan we were adopted into a
campo of wonderful people. We played along side the local kids all day long and learned to surf, fish, make tortillas and live a more simple life.
Slept in hammocks at night. Dad wired home for more money and we stayed the rest of the summer. (and the Turtle Soup was a big thing back then too!)
I have tried to duplicate that summer a few times as I got older, crazy dirt roads to nowhere, unique local cuisine and the people you meet along the
way.
We have always had a place in Baja, because it feels like home. The kids are not concerned with what kinds of jeans they wear, they are thankful for
what they have. It makes me remember what is important in life.
Of course things have changed, they do everywhere, but the best thing about Baja is still the people and the dogs.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pappy Jon
WOW, I just found this thread. While most of you sing the praise of how safe Baja is, and blast those of us that CCW, I would like to offer a
different perspective. Reality.
My recent experience is limited to six trips in the last 5 years. Prior to that I visited frequently for several years between 1988-1997. I've been
"chased" off a beach twice because suspected drug runners made me uncomfortable. I've also had the Mexican military stop me in the middle of nowhere
and jump in my truck "shot gun" for a ride ... after assuring me there automatic rifle was unloaded (didn't matter, my seat was already wet). I've
also experience the friendly people living in the back country.
Each year my friends strongly discourage me from taking my annual vacation, and I ignore them ... for the most part. I'm certainly more cautious. I
avoid places where I've had trouble. I don't explore ad lib like I used to and stick to a pre-planned itinerary which is delivered to my friends in
advance. I hate visiting Baja that way, but that is the reality of Mexico right now. For those of you that paint the rosy picture, good for you. My
reality says your glasses are rose-colored.
Once again my friends are strongly trying to discourage me from visiting Baja in April. Once again this year, I'm not going to explore like I would
like to and will visit familiar "safe" places. I've even considered a sat phone to satisfy their fears, and to some degree mine. It's still possible I
might reconsider and travel closer to home, but probably not.
I still love Baja, but it's just not as much fun anymore.
[Edited on 2-12-2010 by Pappy Jon] |
Jon, perhaps with a second Tacoma along, you can go to all the spots you are avoiding? Let's hope for some good economy and dry weather between now
and then!
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From reading this thread it is still clear to me everyone has their different comfort levels with safety and that won't change. I love the Baja of
the old days too as Wesson said- the simplicity. I do feel bad for people who feel they can no longer safely explore the "outback" of Baja. Of course
you can. You're probably more likely to run into a narco-pot farm in Yellowstone than Baja. I really liked the "be prepared" style of some posters.
They are going to have their outing in Baja but leave a trail for friends to follow- just in case. Baja is NOT going to become more pristine and
less-populated in the future, so you should get out and enjoy what there is of bajas untouched treasures while they are still there. JHMO.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
You're probably more likely to run into a narco-pot farm in Yellowstone than Baja. |
Growers are wherever you find running water. Here, in the Sierra, they're everywhere. Lots of them out of the Sierra as well. These activities
attract scummy people who would ruin your day for the change in your pocket.
It makes me nervous when I see someone under-estimating the danger involved in traveling the rural outback. Times have changed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Me, I like no: roar of freeways, no helicopters hovering around for 15-30 minutes (with flood lights), sirens , the sound of screeching ties and then
the dull thud of impact, air traffic, no stars at night, traffic which is enough to make any normal person go crazy, and costs of good and service
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I realize you've made your decision and made your move to Baja, but you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time here trying to rationalize your
decision. For the record, less than 3% of the land area of the US is dense, urban use land. You don't have to move to Baja to find quiet, there is
still the other 97% of the US. And if you think Mexico is quiet, you must be stone deaf. Mexicans are one of the noisiest friggin people on the
planet. Anybody who has lived there for more than 24-hours can attest to that. They have absolutely no respect for their neighbors when it comes to
noise and carry on at all hours of the day and night.
...and the next time you are sitting in your doctors office reading magazines about the marriage rate of US males, you should probably ask yourself
why you drove up to the US to go see the doctor.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
There’s as much cr—p going on in the USA. And you know it. New Orleans, Jersey City, Fresno… Common sense on how and where you go will keep you safe.
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So then, people should stay out of New Orleans, Jersey City and Fresno? Since you are an expert, would you take us through the "common sense" thing on
how and where you go to keep safe? Explain it step-by-step to us ignorant people. Say, for example, you are getting your mail at Rene's in Rosarito
and a truck pulls up and blocks you off, a man gets out and puts a gun to your head and steals your car, wallet and papers. What common sense things
would you have done that would have prevented that?
Please be specific because I am going to write it all down.
[Edited on 2-12-2010 by arrowhead]
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