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tiotomasbcs
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Sadly, here in Todos Santos/Pescadero the TrtleHeads also ride quads on the beach to search for turtle nests; at nite, no less. Figure that out?!
Tio
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Cypress
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No Problemo,  Out of sight and out of mind. But if you happen to see a few of those little fresh hatched-out turtles try to avoid running 'em over as you speed
'on down the beach in your 4x4 vehicle.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Goat, you are agreeing with me about the human foot impact... However, you blindly use the word 'vehicles' without consideration as to the many
different vehicles there are. Not all vehicles (or operators) cause damage... A quad, with wide, high floatation tires, driven normally, will barely
depress into the sand.
You also totally missed where I said everyone should just stay away from the nests. |
How about Toyota Pick Ups with poorly engineered computer chips or gas pedals? |
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ecomujeres
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Sadly, here in Todos Santos/Pescadero the TrtleHeads also ride quads on the beach to search for turtle nests; at nite, no less. Figure that out?!
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Not hard to figure out. They are patrolling the beaches, looking for females coming up to lay their eggs. Females usually lay their eggs IN THE
DARK.
They are likely removing the eggs from the nests and relocating them to protected hatcheries where they can't be driven over by vehicles illegally
riding on the beach. These groups have permits and they are well aware of where it is safest to ride to minimize damage.
And I'd ride in a group too if I had to confront armed and/or belligerant turtle poachers.
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classicbajabronco
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Most turtle poachers are hungry locals....but not all. Some people just can't stop lusting for the flavor of Turtle...I have heard from many, many,
many people that turtle meat is tops when it comes to meat.
I still think coyotes, are the main killer of turtles...when you see a nest pee on it. Coyotes are afraid of himan scent, and by peeing on the nest
you are telling them that's your territory.
Remember, no matter how hard it is for you econuts to watch a baby turtle struggling. If you help them you are almost gauranteeing that they will not
survive. The turtles need to crawl the distance so they can get the hang of walking, which for a turtle is the same as swimming..If you help them get
to the water, they will drown.
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Cypress
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classicbajabronco, Good information. Thanks.
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classicbajabronco
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oh yeah...
also don't pile sticks or flag the nest in any way to make sure no one drives over the nest.....
What you are doing is putting up a billboard to the people who want to make a turtle egg omlete saying HERE THEY ARE, COME AND GET EM!!! it makes
their poaching enterprise much easier..
If you want to save the turtle get a quad, pee in a gallon jug, get a pile of 4"x4" steel mesh and cover the nest with the mess( buried of course)
pour the pee on the nest, and drive down the beach and when you see a nest protect it with the mesh, coyotes cant dig through the mesh and the
turtles can still climb through.
What you don't need to do is tell people..especially nationals that they can't drive on the beach...as this is a really good way to get your butt
kicked.
you will never stop quads, trucks or anything else from driving on the beach, me included. You are gringos( me included) and have no rights here to
speak of.
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Cypress
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classicbajabronco, Thanks for the advice/info.
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BFS
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if you can't beat 'em
I used to spend a few months in the year camping on the remote Oaxaca coast and would always see the early morning flashlights of turtle egg poachers
while I stretched in the sand before a pre dawn surf. They would come to my tent and try selling me eggs. Sometimes by late afternoon the eggs were
still unpurchased and they would take a few home and throw the rest out. Seems even the locals have their limits on disgusting slimy turtle egg shots.
It was very sad and disturbing so finally out of desperation I started haggling with the guys to the point where I got the price down to 1 peso each
if I bought their entire booty delivered by 9:00am. My excuse was that I surfed myself silly between 6 and 9 am so i would come in starving and
nothing like a little snot-like macho turtle egg breakkie to fuel me up. They would even throw in some limes every now and then. Once my friends
disappeared with their cash I would dig hidden nests and re-bury the eggs trying to match the depth and distance from the waterline of the original
ones that I scouted out. I then covered the tracks. I did this for months every year and spent a few pesos in the process.
Im not sure If i saved any turtles or if i was contributing to the problem, but it seemed like a fair way to ease my conscience while simultaneously
making a few deposits in the karma bank.
I remember vividly one early afternoon I was strolling down the beach to the fresh water lagoon for a cool swim and I came across a single little
black turtle heading to the sea. He was pumping his cute little flippers and heading west. It was one of those moments that just brings a Big Fat
Smile to your face.
It was touching and uplifting (although kind of odd that there was only one and he was going for it in the absolute middle of the day) and I will
never forget him/her swimming off between my feet off into the Pacific.
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Cypress
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BFS, Good story! Thanks.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by classicbajabronco
Remember, no matter how hard it is for you econuts to watch a baby turtle struggling. If you help them you are almost gauranteeing that they will not
survive. The turtles need to crawl the distance so they can get the hang of walking, which for a turtle is the same as swimming..If you help them get
to the water, they will drown. |
If that is true then the turtle experts are killing the turtles they are
trying to save because they help the turtles to the water after they hatch in the relocated nests. I observed that there was no way that the baby
turtles could climb the tire tracks.
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classicbajabronco
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| Quote: | | If that is true then the turtle experts are killing the turtles they are trying to save because they help
the turtles to the water after they hatch in the relocated nests. I observed that there was no way that the baby turtles could climb the tire tracks.
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Now here's a question?
So a baby turtle can break itself out of the egg and dig itself up 2 feet through sand, under which it's mother buried it, get past all the drift wood
you people bury on top of them, but It can't cross a tire rut. Is this your theory?
Or the theory of the turtle EXPERTS with a 6th grade education and no formal training to speak of. The fancy shirts don't make them an expert. Next
time around ask them how they became a turtle expert. I am just going off of what I have personally seen, maybe there is an actual Turtle Expert here
who can chime in(with credentials of course)
Is it just me or does this make no effing sense?
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classicbajabronco
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Check this out....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-BABY-TURTLE-TW0-INCH-PIKE-BASS-KILLE...
NEW BABY TURTLE TW0 INCH PIKE & BASS KILLER LURE
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monoloco
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by classicbajabronco
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If that is true then the turtle experts are killing the turtles they are trying to save because they help
the turtles to the water after they hatch in the relocated nests. I observed that there was no way that the baby turtles could climb the tire tracks.
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Now here's a question?
So a baby turtle can break itself out of the egg and dig itself up 2 feet through sand, under which it's mother buried it, get past all the drift wood
you people bury on top of them, but It can't cross a tire rut. Is this your theory?
Or the theory of the turtle EXPERTS with a 6th grade education and no formal training to speak of. The fancy shirts don't make them an expert. Next
time around ask them how they became a turtle expert. I am just going off of what I have personally seen, maybe there is an actual Turtle Expert here
who can chime in(with credentials of course)
Is it just me or does this make no effing sense?
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It's not a theory, I was skeptical too
until I saw it with my own eyes.
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tehag
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Answer to the original question
Two-meter-wide posting of beach regs:
Photo of rigorous enforcement:
Certainty is the child of ignorance, knowledge is the mother of doubt. Question everything!
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Marinero
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It is often a matter of location. Before you venture on unknown beaches, you might ask locals, gringos and mexicans, what the real enforcements are.
Basically, beaches are off limits for motor vehicles below the high tide line. However, Nationals drive wherever they want, and Gringos can be
trashed for acting like Nationals.'
Be careful out there....................
Si estás buscando la person que cambiará su vida, échale una mirada en el espejo.
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