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comitan
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Believe it. ( Larry was my first internet provider)
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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noproblemo2
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Well someone had to pioneer what is now known as the net. It is a fairly recent widespread communications means, and it is the way of the future, just
look what is now happening to the post office cutting back, or on-line bill pay, these are things the younger generation takes for granted but back
when one used to sit down and hand write letters and communications and using couriers, the post office and before that the pony express. And heavens
forbid what about before the iphones and blackberries!!!!!!!!!!!
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longlegsinlapaz
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Makes sense to me Lencho, as scary as that might be! In a nutshell, the
communication capabilities & infrastructure had to be in place for WWW to be born.  Most technology doesn't happen overnight....it evolves slowly & usually for a single narrow application & expands out to
other applications.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
anyone who takes this internet crap seriously needs a colonoscopy and a rectal exam of the cabeza too!! |
Mike, this isn't directed at you personally, but is about the concept I repeatedly hear on this forum that "it's only the Internet."
As if that somehow justified acting out in ways unacceptable in other media or in person. Where on Earth do folks come up with this idea? Does the
fact that I'm not looking someone in the face somehow invalidate the communication, or the fact that there are real human beings on the other side of
the screen? Is it because we can act irresponsibly without fear of immediate physical reprisal?
I've been collaborating online since way before the Internet and historically the general rule of behavior has been to avoid things online that one
wouldn't say face to face. It's human to slip occasionally, but the level of constant intentional incivility on this particular forum is downright
discouraging.
Where are folks coming up with this "it's only the Internet" stuff? 
--Larry |
I know from previous conversation that what you say is true. However, I really wonder why people think that what is said would not be said in person.
I know that even at my worst, there is nothing I have ever said on this board that I would not say in person----and when I have made apologies, those
I would also say those in person.
But guess it may not be true for everyone.
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dianaji
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Location: San Marcos, CA
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Mood: hungry for knowledge, simplicity, hugs and fish tacos!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by noproblemo2
Well someone had to pioneer what is now known as the net. It is a fairly recent widespread communications means, and it is the way of the future, just
look what is now happening to the post office cutting back, or on-line bill pay, these are things the younger generation takes for granted but back
when one used to sit down and hand write letters and communications and using couriers, the post office and before that the pony express. And heavens
forbid what about before the iphones and blackberries!!!!!!!!!!! |
and ditto! if not for the internet, i would never have met some very wonderful people...it's expansion...a connection to the world. there is enough
war going on and enough bullies and intimidation out there without finding it here on this forum. again, i have to commend dennis for being a man by
being brave by speaking up...and risking even further ridicule...that took guts!
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Sallysouth
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Good to hear your "voice" again dianaji! I agree with you about our Dennis.Me thinks he can take just about anything!
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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capt. mike
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i follow that Lencho and unnerstand
from where you are coming. What i mean i guess is remote communication has taken the personal inflection away from how we lead our lives. used to be a
firm handshake and a look into the eyes consumated $$ MM deals, men (and not leaving gals out) had honor and their words were bonded in the soul of
proper decorum.... then came the telegraph and you really didn't know what or who you were "dealing with".
don't EVEN get me started on wireless!! that Marconi guy REALLY effed up our way of life!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
anyone who takes this internet crap seriously needs a colonoscopy and a rectal exam of the cabeza too!! |
Mike, this isn't directed at you personally, but is about the concept I repeatedly hear on this forum that "it's only the Internet."
As if that somehow justified acting out in ways unacceptable in other media or in person. Where on Earth do folks come up with this idea? Does the
fact that I'm not looking someone in the face somehow invalidate the communication, or the fact that there are real human beings on the other side of
the screen? Is it because we can act irresponsibly without fear of immediate physical reprisal?
I've been collaborating online since way before the Internet and historically the general rule of behavior has been to avoid things online that one
wouldn't say face to face. It's human to slip occasionally, but the level of constant intentional incivility on this particular forum is downright
discouraging.
Where are folks coming up with this "it's only the Internet" stuff?
--Larry |
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
www.facebook.com/michael.l.goering |
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Martyman
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I have written some things in this forum that I would not say to people in public. Hell, i don't know them, but there posts get me stirred up.
It seems like I get people mad at me when I'm trying to be funny. Not being a very good writer, humor does not always come across.
I love when I pose a baja related questions and get the excellent thoughtful responses.
Oh yeah...I never go to off-topic...can't seem to get there...what is my password?
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
While I am a relative newcomer to this forum, I have never thought of this forum as a Republican forum. Is it? |
No, it's not. One side is seemingly chock full of loudmouths (with a few exceptions) and the other side listens and then shuts up (with a few
exceptions) when they detect that a real conversation is no longer occurring. Americans, and other English speaking peoples, are strange birds in that
we will kill to protect one another, but will argue viciously amongst ourselves over what is dear to our hearts. Compare this to some of the more
monocultural, jingoist countries where all citizens are lockstep in every belief whether national or personal. Arab countries especially come to mind.
Liberals take this independent, free-minded mentality found in English speaking countries yet another step further*. Collecting the the will and
mindset of liberals is much like herding cats. Yet like cats, liberals mostly manage to land on their feet in order to offer to help the unfortunate,
unsuccessful people - many of which would otherwise wish to be in league the mean-spirited, selfish conservatives if it wasn't for their own poor
choices and the sometimes cruel hand of luck. The question of it being wise or foolhardy to help those who could later choose to ignore others' plight
is a matter of contemplation. If you wish for moral justice and equity based on merit alone, the answer would be no. If, however, you wish to actually
build a nation with an economy the size of California (or bigger) you will need to let go of some merit justice in favor of social justice. Like I
have pointed out many times, and I will point out many more times, take a look at the other national models and contemplate America as a finished
product. Do you want pure capitalism as found in Haiti, Somalia and Northern India, pure socialism as found in Cuba, or would you want a hybrid as
found in many European countries. Please be wary of making the argument that Europe has problems. Anyplace ruled by humans will have problems. What I
wish for everybody here is to visit various counties of pure capitalism, socialism, and of hybrid ideology. While visiting these countries, keep a
look out for components that signify a higher quality of life such as cleanliness, infrastructure, and other less tangible hints such as a content
demeanor of the nation's citizens. Sure, there will be anomalies such as Singapore whose conservative governments restrict the people in a
straitjacket of socioeconomic mores, but you'll probably find the underlying quality of life lacking in such counties making them unsuitable as a
model for America as a finished product. Back to the original point: Talk to some of the people in these various countries you visit and see if you
can detect variances within the citizen's world view. The countries with high speed rail, clean streets, and other trappings of a higher quality of
life will most likely contain citizens that heartily disagree with one another. These citizens are not necessarily "weak minded" because they do not
function in rigid lockstep with one one another. Instead, you'll find that such polyculture results in a forest of healthy trees whereas trees in a
monoculture tumble like dominoes when faced with stresses either internal or external sources.
*For information regarding further vs. farther: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/further-versus-farther....
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knuckles
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Being fairly new to the forum board world in general, Its a love - hate- thing. My first posting brought out the rath of a crazy person and I think
it has freaked me out or at least made me very careful.
While I do miss the fur flying antics of some of the haters who have been banned, they frankly scared the heck out of me. Posting information albeit
accurate or speculative on identities, IP numbers or even character assesments is too much for me. But if you give ammunition to a hater, don't be
suprised if they use it. I try to be very careful of what I post now.
There is also the current events issues, which in Baja Norte can be down right dangerous. A recent event in Rosarito comes to mind. While I was
desperately searching for information, I was afraid to share my knowledge for fear of endangering the parties involved.
I feel with my 30 plus years of Baja experience, I should share more, but have been afraid to for fear of exposure of personal information, location
or ridicule.
See in this very post I gave you an idea about my age and location. I disect every post that way. You can tell I have paranoid tendencies as well.
And on this board as well as in life you need to contribute as well as take.
Thanks everyone for giving me forum board lessons, the hard ones as well.
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Osprey
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Ah, there's the beauty of the board. It is said "Never let em see you sweat". The way to do that in cyberplace is to remain silent to an attack. The
whole board wonders if you are silent after abuse because you are afraid, smart or really cunning.
In a bar, especially after about 8 loudmouths (beers) you are growing tired of the loud and not very well couched rantings about the country and the
political leaders and the parties coming from a drunk to your left. You have the option to tune him out (if you can), move (if there's room), ask him
to step outside (if you think you can take him) or just go on home.
The board doesn't have all those options and begs that you try one other: you interrupt him long enough to tell him you disagree and why you do.
You're thinking "Maybe HE will leave". I love this board.
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knuckles
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Ah, there's the beauty of the board. It is said "Never let em see you sweat". The way to do that in cyberplace is to remain silent to an attack. The
whole board wonders if you are silent after abuse because you are afraid, smart or really cunning.
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....So just use the same rules as in the real world and remember you have more time to think about it before you go getting all emotional and banging
those keys!
I too enjoy the board
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by knuckles
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Ah, there's the beauty of the board. It is said "Never let em see you sweat". The way to do that in cyberplace is to remain silent to an attack. The
whole board wonders if you are silent after abuse because you are afraid, smart or really cunning.
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....So just use the same rules as in the real world and remember you have more time to think about it before you go getting all emotional and banging
those keys!
I too enjoy the board |
Either that or hope that nobody quotes you before you get the sense to delete the post.
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knuckles
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Hell, I finally learned how to use the quotes, give me another 6 months to learn how to delete my stupid posts.
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lookingandbuying
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Great topic
I too find myself lurking more than contributing. This board sometimes reminds me of the border crossings when people become aggressive fools. But,
there are also ALOT of thoughtful, considerate posts that will let you change lanes to get where you need to go.
Every board has it's good and bad. Overall I love this board and the people here as it has helped make my trips to Baja more fun. Found many great
places to go as a result of the information found here. Also, feel safer as a result of keeping up to date about "things" going on south of the
border.
When I do run across the ugly banter I just move on. Having a more inclusive attitude will be helpful to all.
Rule #1- NEVER POST ANYTHING ABOUT REAL ESTATE unless you want to be chum.
[Edited on 5-10-2010 by lookingandbuying]
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DanO
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IMHO the only additional thing this board has ever really needed is a spell checker.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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bajabass
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Location: La Paz,BCS
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It is just like everything, and everywhere. Some of it is nice, some times you run into hemaroids. I avoid arguements in person, and online. It is
much easier to keep a short fuse unlit, than it is to put it out. I rarely venture into the Off-Topic area, a few people there light my fuse. As a
whole this site is great, just a couple roids to deal with!! I've made a few friends, will make many more over time. I need no enemies at this time.
The politicians have filled my dance card!
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Iflyfish
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I appreciate the diversity of this forum and the opportunity it provides to learn more about a place I love.
It takes all kinds and we have them here. Every organism needs an as..... as well as a brain. There are both to be found here.
I have made some great friends through this forum and there is no better place that I know of to keep current on things Baja.
It has been a pleasure for me to engage with other people who love Baja and who are capable of expressing their views and perspectives, from this I
learn. I like to learn. I have particularly appreciated the opportunity to learn more about cultural differences that one finds in this forum. I
believe that the more or less hands off moderation of this forum has been useful in supporting honest dialogue about such issues.
I absolutely love the images and trip reports that one can find here. Many days have started for me in the dead of winter with some wonderful sunrise
shot on Conception Bay. Like finding a daffodil blooming in the snow!
I have made life long friends on this forum, people that I would never have met. I have had the good fortune to put a number of faces with names of
people on this forum and my life is richer because of it.
I have not said anything on this forum that I would not say to someones face and now there are those who know well enought to avoid me if I am in
town.
I look forward to our next Baja trip, probably next winter, and am looking forward to seeing old baja friends and to meeting more.
Iflyfish
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Baja Bernie
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Well I do believe that the central question is/was/could have been...What would JR have said
God bless the man because he made most of us think..I do believe he would said something about the 'Chicken coopers" and then waited for most of you
to implode...
Dennis, thanks for posting something I could get my heart into...I miss my friend so very much...and am so glad you are here to try to fill his shoes.
Saulde!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
...and am so glad you are here to try to fill his shoes.
Saulde! |
Awww, thanks Bernie. I'm not trying to fill his shoes. He was one of a kind.
I'm just driving my own race.
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