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Udo
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This thread led me to start investigating air evacuation rules for my insurance (s).
Kind of made me look at Explorer Insurance that offers MASA (Medical Air Services Association.
At times Baja can be a big and scary place if not properly prepared!
Udo
Youth is wasted on the young!
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Iflyfish
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Just found this thread. Great info. As we age these concerns become more significant and it is with relief I read this and know that this resource
exists. This is one of the most important posts I have read on my years on Nomads.
Thank you Shari for again rising to the need. You have a wonderful heart and are one of the most competant people I know. We are all richer because
you are in our lives.
There is no one I would rather have at my back. I am proud to call you friend. Abrazos Forte.
Iflyfish
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Marc
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Good job!!
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JaraHurd
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Shari..i am getting in late on this thread....GREAT JOB!! thanx..You are amazing... jon
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Mulegena
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Yes, this was all coming down while she was with Sirena in the hospital birthing Izaak.
That man was so very fortunate that Shari was there and was willing. Stepped up, she did!
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
Yes, this was all coming down while she was with Sirena in the hospital birthing Izaak.
That man was so very fortunate that Shari was there and was willing. Stepped up, she did! |
I guess you did not read Shari's message in detail. Neither she nor Sirena nor the baby were supposed to even be at the hospital. An incompetent nurse
used the wrong size blood pressure cuff and reported that Sirena's blood pressure was too high. So they kept momma and baby in the hospital an extra
day unncessarily.
That is context.
Do you want more context? Look at the story of Sallysouth's daughter, Juanita. She was getting test after test for weeks down in Cabo and the doctors
could not figure out her problem. Then she flies up to San Diego, and what does Sallysouth do? She drives her dying daughter back across the border
into Tijuana to waste another week with incompetent Mexican doctors. Finally that doctor tells her to take her daughter back north to the real world
of medicine, where Juanita is immediately diagnosed with Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia, an extremely dangerous illness that should have been treated
weeks earlier while they were jerking around in Cabo and TJ.
That is context. You cheerleaders are willing to die and let your own children die just to hang on to your myths about Mexico.
Want more context? Read about Jerry Shelby.
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luv2fish
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Oladulce...yes, this IS big...I learned so much about air-vacs and was looking forward to sharing it with you all...especially those in the central
baja...the fish and surf camp folks. I wasnt looking for praise (but it sure feels good to get it!!) but this info could save someones life.
The fact that Aero GN is a registered airline is helpful...only drawback is if you want a doctor or medic to accompany you...you pay extra. The owners
of the company are very professional..stop by and see them at their office across the street from Malarrimo and tell em Shari sent ya! They would be
happy to answer your questions about available planes they operate.
I'm told I have pretty good bedside humour....I got Bill to smile when I told him the news about being home for dinner!! |
Awesome ........
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shari
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in retrospect...competent or incompetent nurses/doctors...faulty equipment...whatever happened to keep us in the hospital another day was fate in my
opinion and after being in there for so many days...well another day just didnt matter much to us at that point..but it sure mattered to Bill who got
the help he needed....ya do what ya gotta do.
I am pleased to take this oppotunity of old threads revisited, to thank the guardian angels once again for making sure we were all where we needed to
be.
I was reflecting on the "living in mexico" theme brought up in this thread and realized that if not for the "spirit" of baja....those doctors wouldnt
even have sought me out to try to help..the whole life saving event worked out the way it did BECAUSE of the baja way of life..which is not hesitating
to jump in to help someone you dont even know....even if it means bending rules a bit and using unconventional methods to save a life.
Family/neighbourhood ties and connections are another baja factor which makes things possible and quicker... avoiding red tape..."come back on monday"
scenarios you can get through by calling in a favor from a friend or family member. It is an intricate social system based on respect and fascinating
to watch in action....anyway...I'd better get out for my morning dance along the beach followed by gardening......have a good day all....pendientes.
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David K
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Thank you Shari!
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Eli
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
in retrospect...competent or incompetent nurses/doctors...faulty equipment...whatever happened to keep us in the hospital another day was fate in my
opinion and after being in there for so many days...well another day just didnt matter much to us at that point..but it sure mattered to Bill who got
the help he needed....ya do what ya gotta do.
I am pleased to take this oppotunity of old threads revisited, to thank the guardian angels once again for making sure we were all where we needed to
be.
I was reflecting on the "living in mexico" theme brought up in this thread and realized that if not for the "spirit" of baja....those doctors wouldnt
even have sought me out to try to help..the whole life saving event worked out the way it did BECAUSE of the baja way of life..which is not hesitating
to jump in to help someone you dont even know....even if it means bending rules a bit and using unconventional methods to save a life.
Family/neighbourhood ties and connections are another baja factor which makes things possible and quicker... avoiding red tape..."come back on monday"
scenarios you can get through by calling in a favor from a friend or family member. It is an intricate social system based on respect and fascinating
to watch in action....anyway...I'd better get out for my morning dance along the beach followed by gardening......have a good day all....pendientes.
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I can't help Shari, I just wanna give ya big ol virtual hug about now, I just adore your perspective and how you express it!
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shari
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abrazo recivido compa....mil gracias....back at ya with that hug.
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flyfishinPam
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Hi there. Here's a sunrise perspective from today-
and one of my employees preparing for the day-
I have lived in many places throughout the US and I have to say none of them are like this place. I thank everything to have this opportunity and I
thank the sun, moon, stars and spirits that I and my family are cien porciento healthy. I think there are things that can be done to prevent illness
and that those things are abundant right here if you can find them. It must be done on an individual basis and cannot be learned. The tricks are to
slow down and enjoy what's around us and maintain a good sense of humor, be strong and have a good sense of survival, be able to change plans when
needed, etc. Many of these things are part of what we bring here and this keeps us together and discussing.
I have a unique medical experience. I hate hospitals and avoid them like the plague, I can think fast and study a lot, so... when I was with child
the first time in 2000 I found out that most women in Loreto have their babies in Ciudad Constitucion, or La Paz. Well I thought the nearest is two
hours away and what if the baby comes out on the road at some point in between? So I bought some books to prepare for the event. I connected to the
internet for advice and decided to stay away from the people (usually women) who feared child birth.
I hired a doctor and did regular check-ups with periodic ultrasounds. This was in Ciudad Constitucion as there was no ultrasound in Loreto. At the
same time I hired a midwife in Loreto. And of course I was studying and could deliver my own kid if I had to. I was impressed at the accuracy of
Susanah's (midwife) description of the position of the baby inside me after seeing an ultrasound then going to to her afterwards. My baby was due
near Easter Sunday. Well to make a long story short, Damiana decided she wanted out on Easter Sunday. Susanna was bailing on me and headed for La
Paz and I had her in the hospital in front of the PEMEX station. I hate hospitals so my memories aren't too fond of the process but the nurses were
wonderful. They really helped me learn how to start Damiana on breastfeeding and I carried this on to my next child. My one night stay and charges
were 500 pesos and a case of cold Tecate that my husband and the doctor who worked on Easter Sunday shared after his duty was through. Damiana was
born just before midnight and the new shift started at midnight, how convenient was that? Well for me it was 19 hours of labor and a hell ride from
colonia Zaragoza to the hospital.
Enzl was due in late September 2002 and Susana wasn't going anywhere. I had been to the doctor in Constitucion for check ups and ultrasounds but I
was relying on Susanah. She was very accurate on when he would come into the world and although the doctor predicted September 29th, Susana told me
September 19th.
06:59 September 19th- I didn't have any boats out and I had fished for Dorado the day before and early in the morning I heard this annoying dog
barking so I got up to chase it away. On the way back to bed I felt that very familiar sensation. Some call it pain but its more like an intense
wave of strong energy, then it came again and I grabbed my watch. Again, they were coming a consistent 1 and a half minutes apart. So I told my
husband to get out of bed and get Susanah.
He was in the bathroom when the water broke and I was looking out the bedroom window at a sunrise that looked a bit more intense than todays was.
There were some large storm clouds and they covered the sun when Enzl was born. I asked Damiana who was two and a half at the time to go and get me a
large ranch blanket. And I told her to send our curious doberman outside for awhile.
When Francisco got out of the bathroom I told him to go and get Susanah and take Damiana with him. I still heard the truck going down the bumpy road
up the hill when Enzl's head popped out. I put a firm hand on his little cabeza then the rest of him slid out. He was still blue as he had just left
a life of suspension in amniotic fluid, so I cleared out the inside of his little mouth turned him over on his stomach and gently massaged him over
the heart. The pink rushed from his heart and his chest up to his head and his limbs. I've seen calamari do this. Then he opened his eyes and
yelled for a few seconds, took a deep breath and then cried consistently. It was 07:19.
His cord was so short, thick and still pulsating that I could only hold him near my knees. So I sat on the floor and then my neighbor walked in. She
heard some weird noise like someone moaning and I told her to come over and have a look. Was a surprise for sure. Then Susanah, Francisco and
Damiana came in right behind to see the little package I had to show off.
Susannah dealt with separating us, she cleaned up my house and drank a bottle of rum with Juanita my neighbor. She injected me with ergot to help
with clotting after the placenta came out. And she wouldn't let me go out fishing. I wanted to go fishing just to say I could, because I felt
absolutely no pain and I could have hiked Las Parras cañon that day. Susanah made me rest and lay down with the baby she said this would be my last
chance to do this for the next 18 years and she was sure right about that!
Getting Enzl's birth certificate and legal papers were easy because there are still ranch women who have their children in the campo. Susanah always
had ladies ready to "explode" around her house in colonia Zaragoza. Susanah was also a curandera and she was very knowlegable about the local
medicinal properties of our native plants. She passed on a few years ago but I sure wish I had gotten to know her better.
The ladies who have had less in life are the ones with the healthiest attitude on childbirth and health in general. It seems as though the more
people rely on synthetic meds, machines, and then add on stress and a rate race standard of living, the health problems become more of an issue in
life. The best thing is to slow down and enjoy everything all around you, watch what goes into your body and keep your machine in good shape, your
mind ans spirit too. I can't think of too many other places that I could have settled and found this.
edited an image file then went for coffee
[Edited on 6-29-2011 by flyfishinPam]
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shari
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WOWEEEE>>holy placenta amiga....that is a great story...both of them..thanks for that...as if I didnt admire you for greatness already...you are
my superheroine now!!!!!
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Eli
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Pam, may I say how much I enjoyed your pictures and the story of the birth of your 2 children, you have been greatly blessed in the path you take, I
hope your lucky star continues to shine and I so agree we make our own way by how we live our lives, (well at least to a certain degree).
[Edited on 6-30-2011 by Eli]
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bent-rim
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flyfishinPam,
Wow, what a great story. It sure is easy being a man, I almost feel insignificant after reading your tale.
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Iflyfish
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What a great story Pam, thank you so much for sharing this with us. We recently watched a documentary, with Ricky Lake, on home birthing. It opened my
eyes to how "medicalized" birthing has become. C sections used to be a very rare occurrence but now are common. Most are done because the hospital
runs on shift and the docs want to deliver before their shift is over. So women are told, you cannot deliver because you have been in labor too long,
they inject petosin and induce labor, anesthetize the mother and she misses out on the ecstasy your describe in your second birth. This euphoria adds
to the bonding experience.
I am not being critical of mothers who have delivered in the hospital; we have been conditioned to do so since the 1940’s. There are certainly times
when medical intervention is needed, it is important to have that back up available if needed. The statistics on problems related to the
medicalization of childbirth were stunning to me and they account for a big part of why the US lags behind so many other countries in infant
mortality.
Research is also showing that our western focus on hygiene has a causal relationship with childhood allergies and asthma. It seems that our immune
system needs exposure to certain pathogens, particularly found around barn yard animals, in order to develop a healthy immune system. Children born in
Holland, with barn yard animals in the house, have far lower rates of allergies than children reared in more “sterile” environments.
Thanks again for sharing this wonderful story. Like Shari, I hold you in awe. I hope we one day meet and can wet a line.
Iflyfish
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Santiago
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FFP:
Stunning, to say the least.
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bajafam
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I would also like to step up and commend my Mexcian doctors and doctoras as well as the nurses and everyone else that was there when I had Tristan in
San Quintin.
I will find the thread if anyone needs a refresher 
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bajafam
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How we became a BajaFam...or how we had a baby in Baja!
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=42620#pid4677...
How We Registered Mister's Birth - or Some Facts You Should Know About Documentation
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=42821#pid4708...
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flyfishinPam
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I certainly don't mean to put down anyone who birthed their child in a hospital or anyone who is less fortunate than me and my family in being ill. I
just read some negative posts about Mexico and thought about the positive experiences that I had that I do not think would have been able to take
place with such ease NOTB.
It is true about the relationship between oversterility and allergies as iflyfish states. As my first one was starting to get mobile and putting
everything in her mouth, especially dirt, my reaction was to chase her around and take stuff out of her hands so she wouldn't do that. Many of my
older lady neighbors told me to not work so hard doing that because just like iflyfish says, they said the objects she puts in her mouth help her stay
healthy in the future. I do understand that, I studied immunology and this is true. Many ladies are afraid of the "pain" of childbirth but when you
are relaxed and mentally prepared it is not painful at all it is actually more like a giant orgasm. Guys, you don't know what you're missing!
I just wish bajafam was around to sell me cloth diapers eleven years ago, in my searches back then I was only able to find a total of six of them in
Constitucion and La Paz.
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