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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
I remember in the very early 70's the price of a gallon of gasoline on a military base where I was stationed cost me .25 cents a gallon. WTF is
happening now. Let’s get off our duff and start drilling for more oil here in our own country and get more refineries up and going. How does our
government expect us poor working class people to afford the prices we are currently paying to get to work to keep our country running? Something is
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Do you really think a few more refineries and increased drilling is going to have a dramatic impact on the price of gasoline
What you might save a few pennies per gallon and then you could afford to drive to the beach and take in the beautiful sight of offshore oil
platforms. What a great idea
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Bajaboy
I have no idea what the price of gasoline would be if we drilled for more oil and opened other refineries, but I'm sure it would be more than pennies
and it would surely be a step in the right direction.
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David K
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What is sad is that basic economics is missing from public education... If demand is high, and supply is low... prices go UP.
If supply increases, prices go down!
How can more oil be a bad thing? 
The U.S. has greater reserves than Saudi Arabia... until fusion power or dilythium crystals are invented... we need the oil.
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monoloco
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The current high price of fuel has nothing to do with supply/demand issues.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
What is sad is that basic economics is missing from public education... If demand is high, and supply is low... prices go UP.
If supply increases, prices go down!
How can more oil be a bad thing?
The U.S. has greater reserves than Saudi Arabia... until fusion power or dilythium crystals are invented... we need the oil. |
you make a good argument for conservation, reducing demand, increasing CAFE vehicle standards, penalty taxes on gas guzzlers, more roadway dollars for
mass transit and bikes, alternative energy, etc.
why not pursue conservation, and save our wild/scenic areas for enjoyment of all?
or would you prefer to drill anwr and shell island, strip mine the oil sands of CO and WY, turn the wilderness into wasteland -- all so you can drive
your gas guzzler to camp next to the oil shale strip mine and enjoy the aroma blowing off the waste water ponds?
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The more ya pump... the faster it will be gone.... think there is something called "Peak Oil" or is that another concept which is not founded in
science, rather perspective... it is after all a finite resource... there is only so much...
And pushing more out the exhaust pipe can only have greater and quicker impact on other "eco systems" on the planet... in most cases negatively...
We got to think a bit harder about this issue... as it is KILLING us....
[Edited on 4-13-2011 by wessongroup]
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
What is sad is that basic economics is missing from public education... If demand is high, and supply is low... prices go UP.
If supply increases, prices go down!
How can more oil be a bad thing?
The U.S. has greater reserves than Saudi Arabia... until fusion power or dilythium crystals are invented... we need the oil. |
DK-I'm not really certain where you get your "facts" but the US does not have greater reserves than Saudi Arabia....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil...
An education is a beautiful thing to waste...please turn off Fox News
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I'm not so sure than the data Wikipedia shows is correct. This mornings paper has a long article on the Belridge oil field here in Kern county and
they said there are 4.4 billion barrels still in the ground. That would be 25% of what Wiki says the US has. They've taken out 1.6 billion barrels
since 1911 when it was discovered. It's an area 22 mile long and 2.5 miles wide. I'm sure the other Kern oil wells as well as TX, OK and Alaska and
other areas have a lot.
It's my understanding that the US oil is mostly heavy and not as good in making gas as light crude which we get outside of the US.
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
I'm not so sure than the data Wikipedia shows is correct. This mornings paper has a long article on the Belridge oil field here in Kern county and
they said there are 4.4 billion barrels still in the ground. That would be 25% of what Wiki says the US has. They've taken out 1.6 billion barrels
since 1911 when it was discovered. It's an area 22 mile long and 2.5 miles wide. I'm sure the other Kern oil wells as well as TX, OK and Alaska and
other areas have a lot.
It's my understanding that the US oil is mostly heavy and not as good in making gas as light crude which we get outside of the US.
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Well, this is from the CIA:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...
Regardless, I'd say it is safe to say that the US does not have more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia.
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I'm riding the fence on this one...
US OIL RESERVES -MIXTURE OF TRUE AND FALSE INFORMATION
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
I'm not so sure than the data Wikipedia shows is correct. This mornings paper has a long article on the Belridge oil field here in Kern county and
they said there are 4.4 billion barrels still in the ground. That would be 25% of what Wiki says the US has. They've taken out 1.6 billion barrels
since 1911 when it was discovered. It's an area 22 mile long and 2.5 miles wide. I'm sure the other Kern oil wells as well as TX, OK and Alaska and
other areas have a lot.
It's my understanding that the US oil is mostly heavy and not as good in making gas as light crude which we get outside of the US.
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Well, this is from the CIA:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...
Regardless, I'd say it is safe to say that the US does not have more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. |
if the price of oil stays high the US can mine it's tar sands and ruin every last piece of wilderness in the process.
that should make DK happy, strip mines and toxic wastewater ponds as far as the eye can see, just like in Canada!
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wessongroup
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Good one Pompano ....
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2008/3021/
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scouter
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hell everything i do takes fuel if i worry about it will just stay home so
just dont pay attention to the cost anymore....
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baja829
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Last summer we drove 4,300 miles more or less, up to Seattle, across 1/4 of Canada, back down to Baja and then East to Dallas, No. to KC, Denver, and
back down to Baja, then up to San Francisco and back to Baja. Diesel cost was a little less than around $350 in our VWJetta (2002). This year we
will leave Baja for New Orleans, back up to TX, KC, Santa Fe, Prescott, Dewey, Phoenix, and back to Baja. Maybe drive fewer miles, but the cost will
be up, still manageable however.
On the other hand, it now costs about $147 to fill up our '99 F350 (in the U.S.) it's parked and will stay parked, maybe even sold -- no need to spend
that kind of money on diesel and don't often need a truck to cross crounty on vacation.
We will probably just enjoy ourselves, for as long as we can!
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Pompano
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How higher fuel costs will affect my summer travel plans.
Plan A: 35ft Motorhome with boat/trailer: 6-7 mpg
Plan B: Diesel 3500 with 34ft fifth wheel camper and boat/trailer: 13-14 mpg
I love No-Brainers.
Who's up for some lake trout and walleye dinners?
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And what about all the folks in the "real world" who have to haul feed, wood, and building material. You can't pull a boat, camper, or anything else
with a glorified golf cart. You can't travel in snow and ice with a put-put battery powered toy. Bicycles are for fun, not a primary source of
transportation. I'd rather have a horse, but you've got to have hay etc. We're being forced into a bad situation by a bad govt. We'll soon fix
that.
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Frank
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
And what about all the folks in the "real world" who have to haul feed, wood, and building material. You can't pull a boat, camper, or anything else
with a glorified golf cart. You can't travel in snow and ice with a put-put battery powered toy. Bicycles are for fun, not a primary source of
transportation. I'd rather have a horse, but you've got to have hay etc. We're being forced into a bad situation by a bad govt. We'll soon fix
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I can only absorb so much of the extra expenses before it gets passed along to the end consumer...which is the rest of you driving the 40mpg vehicles.
We are all in this up to our necks....
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Pompano- with your plans to head north and park for a few days and fish surrounding lakes a truck and 5th wheel is much more convenient than trying
to do the same with a larger motorhome and boat. However, if one is not towing a boat there is more to the choice than fuel price. (The decision for
many is not a "no brainer.") Many times we take a couple of grandkids. For them the fun of a trip is the motorhome experience. If I want to get an
early start, they can sleep in, brush their teeth whenever they want, color with grandma, play games and make sundaes, use the bathroom without
needing to stop etc all when grandpa continues driving. (The grandkid's parents seldom will part with the kids for over 3 wks. If we have the
grandkids, Baja Sur is too far a destination to get to from Denver unless we travel several hundred miles a day.) We had a trailer but for us the
cost of fuel is secondary to the fun of travel. Have a great time fishing!! Ron
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