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MitchMan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
We as a Nation of Free People have to Rebuild our Character, Our Morals, our Respectblity. |
I would add to those virtues not to exploit other people just because you can. Exploitation usually involves lying and cheating, and is certainly a
form of theft, these last three are not virtues, but sins.
| Quote: | | We have to teach our Children that they are not to Blame others for their own Shortcomings |
I would add, "make sure that blame and remedy are to be bestowed accurately, transparently, rigorously and squarely on those that exploit".
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
We paid dearly for these things throughout our work life and it's unreasonable for us not to get what we paid for. |
Well, yes and no. Medicare/Social Security is based on an average male payout til age, about, 76. After that point you have collected everything you
have paid in, plus intrest, and you would then be living on someone's contributions who is younger than you. I know you aren't 76 yet (you just look
that way from a life of hard living:lol so, yes, you are currently only
collecting what you paid in. But someday, ojala, you will reach 76 and then you will be on Medicare/Social Security public welfare so to speak.
| Quote: | | Had the brain-dead governments not bought bombs and supported illegals with our fund, there wouldn't be a problem today. |
When Clinton left office we had a balanced budget and the economy was in great shape. So I guess you know where to lay the blame for "brain-dead
governments not bought bombs and supported illegals with our fund." By the way, the OMB says that services to illegals is revenue neutral. So who
are you going to believe, Glenn Beck?
| Quote: | | SS wasn't supposed to be a retirement program anyway, but when it's all you have, it's all you have. |
Well, once again yes and no. It was supposed to be a SUPPLEMENTAL retirement program. Unfortunately too many people are using it today as their sole
means of retirement.
| Quote: | | Thank Gawd I have more. |
Me too, but pay close attention to what the politicians who are running for office in this next election cycle say about Medicare and Social Security.
The future may hold the distinct prospect that you and I will have to live on the "more" part of what we have and less on the Social
Security/Medicare part. 
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Cypress
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No problemo, come 2012, Obama and his whole corrupt crew will be kicked to the curb. Good riddance to him and all his inept henchmen.
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Skeet/Loreto
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It will not make much difference unless we do something about Jobs! Lookat Ohio---16% unemployment.
It is time to get a president with Character and Common Sense.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
No problemo, come 2012, Obama and his whole corrupt crew will be kicked to the curb. Good riddance to him and all his inept henchmen. |
And which of the current crop of Teapublican buffoons is going to do that? And speakinng of corruption, what happened to the billions that went to
Iraq and were unaccounted for during W's regime?
Wanna place a little side bet as to who will reside in the White House come 2012?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
what happened to the billions that went to Iraq and were unaccounted for during W's regime?
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And....what became of those permanent military bases [seven?] that we were building? When that was happening, you could see the price of lumber rise
in the states. A lot of it was going over there.
And....when is someone going to help us out for a change?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
yet after a brief pause after the attack, America rebounded and continued to grow and produce more jobs. |
Oh David, there you go again. That wasn't growth you saw during the Bush administrations, it was riding the bubble for all that it was worth before
the whole thing came crashing down--which explains the huge borrowing under the Obama administration.
Anyone can simulate a healthy bank account, provided the credit cards aren't maxed out. The same goes for governments. And no country has ever had a
higher credit limit than has the US government for the simple reason that the rest of the world's developed nations know that if the US tanks, we
bring everyone down with us--to paraphrase the excuse given to bail out the crooks in the banking industry, as a nation, we're simply too big to be
allowed to fail (at the moment, but hang around a couple of more decades and watch the Chinese try).
Less you should think I'm joining this fray on the Democratic side, in my opinion neither party represents what is in the best interests of our
once-great nation. Both have been bought and paid for, it's just a shame that more people don't catch on to that detail and vote the lot of them out
of office to be replaced by candidates that know what's best for the country instead of Wallstreet and power-brokers.
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It is time to get a president with Character and Common Sense. |
Something neither party seems able to provide anymore.
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MitchMan
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The way to get jobs is to bring manufacturing back to the USA from overseas, do something about our economy to more equitably compensate the working
middle class and substantially reduce the over compensation to those clever few at the top so that the working class will have more of the wealth and
funds that they created with their own hands and minds, then they will have the ability to buy what they need and create demand for more production
and provide the market for new businesses. This country needs to invest more in infrastructure to lay the way for long term production efficiency at
lower costs and invest in education so that we don't have to go to other countries and import their educated people who take the higher level jobs
away from us Americans (actually, we are suffering from deteriorating education of our yound people in general which is not good for filling jobs of
the future).
Also, if something could done to lowering the cost of health care so that more people could get better medical attention. A healthy citizenry makes
for long term economic health.
These are the big picture things that contribute to a healthy economy and continued job growth. These things have to be prioritized in real terms at
the ground level, not simply eluded to in cheap political rhetoric by both sides of the aisle.
I fear our country and we the people have become too polarized and too political to work together for the common good, both in the short term and in
the long term. Both political parties have become just that, political, and virtually all that they do is for political advantange and not for the
good of the country. Actually, the things that are good for the country are kind of obvious.
Our political discord, in my opinion, is what is really deteriorating our country and keeping us from going forward as a nation.
I think that Bajatripper hit the nail on the head. Right now, Wall Street and the financial structure is what sucked the wind out of our economy in
this most recent debaucle. Government didn't do its oversight job, runaway bad incentives in Wall Street executives and companies leading to risky
unchecked behavior based on the structure of compensation, shadow banking system, complicated financial products and the lack of controls and
transparency bought and paid for by political contributions, and investors asleep at the wheel. Plenty of blame to go around and nobody smart enough
or courageous enough or statesman-like enough to talk about real fixes without having a political agenda. Not good.
[Edited on 6-18-2011 by MitchMan]
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Political discord is exactly what the puppet masters want us dancing to. Distract the people from seeing how we are getting shafted. Look at the
banking fiasco, really looking, and it all ties in. Republican/Democrat.......dream on.
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Cypress
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If you're happy with the way things are just continue to vote for the dems. They'll make you happier!
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I will have to paraphrase as I don't have the quote, maybe someone knows.
"If you wish to destroy a nation, give the people everything they want." Steinbeck, post WW II
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by maspacifico
Political discord is exactly what the puppet masters want us dancing to. Distract the people from seeing how we are getting shafted. Look at the
banking fiasco, really looking, and it all ties in. Republican/Democrat.......dream on. |
Right on - both sides of the political aisle are screwing us...
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MitchMan
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Cypress, I am not happy with the way things are now, and I am not happy about the bubble and crash that occurred at the end of 8 years during the
previous administration. Economic crashes don't happen all on their own in one day. It takes time for the conditions to fester, come to a head, and
then it breaks wide open, just like in 2007/8. Also, crashes that substantial and far reaching don't get fixed completely in just a couple of years.
So, I don't see the logic or wisdom of condemning democrats only. I don't think it is that simple.
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Cypress
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MitchMan, You're right, there are a number of repubs that need to be replaced with true conservatives also. 
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Here in Oregon we have huge wind farms in addition to Bonnyville Dam. We have had a late spring and lots of run off. The turbines are turning at their
capacity and there is not enough capacity in the grid to handle the wind farm generated power. This of course means that the entire grid needs to be
rebuilt to handle the additional power. Isn't this what we need to be doing? Building infrastructure? Isn't this sort of public works the sort of
investment that will build our future. Have you looked at our roads, bridges etc? They are a mess. Northern Europe is eating our lunch in alternative
energy production and technology. Don't we need a public works program to address these issues? Isn't this what the stimulus should have been about.
In my view we should have nationalized the banks and invested in job producing infrastructure projects and built our way out of this situation that
was not caused by Social Security or Medicare. It was caused by deregulated banking and stock market transactions that manipulated the housing market.
We aught to build our way out of this.
Roll back the Bush tax cuts, commence a Federal Infrastructure Jobs program, stop our wars, stop the "war on drugs" stop Corporate Welfare and put
America back to work on its ancient infrastructure.
The current Republican approach, caused in part by a Senate that now requires 60 votes to pass any legislation, is to design solutions that fail i.e.
the Republicare that is called by the right Obamacare. Didn't you see how that monstrosity was generated by Republicans opposed to a Single Payer
National Health Plan that would have taken the PROFIT out of health care?! Blame Obama, right!!
It requires Congress to pass any budget bills and the Republicans now have a strangle hold on any legislation and they are controlled by the most
right wing reactionary corporate controlled forces ever elected to office.
There, I said it. Enough for me. I am going to drink.
Iflyfish
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Cypress
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McCain would have been just as inept as Obama, maybe more so.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
McCain would have been just as inept as Obama, maybe more so.
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both parties would have done same thing. y'all are impatient. economic cycles take time. in mean time, don't forget bush caused it!
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Cypress
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The Bush blame game is too simplistic, was a good ploy way back when. Your man, Obama, was gonna fix everything. He hasn't. He's a one term
embarrassment. Fool me once shame on you, twice.......
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Skeet/Loreto
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No! We the People caused it!
We failed to stop the use of Drugs!
We failed to teach our Children to Accept Responsibility!
We stopped using the paddle.
We did not develop Discipline in our Children.
Then we allowed a No Character president to tell everyone they could to buy a $400,000 Home even if they did not have the Money!!!
We have allowed the Communists Nuts get involved in the Govt. Too Much Govt!!!!!
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